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Thanks, I'm getting all of the ones you recommended!
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Aside from the ones previously listed, the other major DLC is stuff you only need if you want to play as certain people. Buy The Republic if you want to play as a republic, buy Sword of Islam if you want to play as Muslims, buy Horse Lords if you want to play as a Mongol, etc. The AI still gets all the features from the DLC whether you own it or not, so you're still getting the full experience regardless, it's just a matter of who you want to play as. All the different government types/religions/etc. are cool and fun and they're all worth playing as if you get the chance, but you can still have a blast with just the default option of 'christian, feudal'.
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Jul 1, 2016 08:19
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Although Sons of Abraham adds some content for those Christian feudal rulers.
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I honestly love all the DLC but if you buy the Steam Sale megapack just remember to disable Viking Metal if you don't want your ears to bleed (and Sunset Invasion if you don't want Mayans to show up.)
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Jul 1, 2016 09:57
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I wonder how often someone just gets the game and all DLC simultaneously at full price.
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paint dry posted:I honestly love all the DLC but if you buy the Steam Sale megapack just remember to disable Viking Metal if you don't want your ears to bleed (and Sunset Invasion if you don't want Mayans to show up.) I like [most of] Viking metal. Best bet might be to buy the music packs separately, listen to them via steam music or the player of your choice, and refund any/all that you don't like.
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If Im not mistaken, Sons of Abraham also adds some stuff for muslims, like that decision to donate gold for piety with a 1-1 ratio, which used to be pretty much required to manage decadence
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Jul 1, 2016 13:40
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Pharohman777 posted:I wonder how often someone just gets the game and all DLC simultaneously at full price. It's funny that the Crusader Kings II Steam Package that normally goes for 100$ and is now at 40something contains not a single major DLC. I made the mistake of buying that one at first since it seemed like a great deal, but lol nope it's just unit packs and other garbage. Thankfully I could get a refund and buy everything I wanted separately.
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Ruler Designer is worth buying if you want to give your dynasty a jump start. I usually make my first guy an ugly, wounded, genius Grey Eminence or Brilliant Strategist and cross my fingers that the positive qualities get passed down.
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Crow Jane posted:Ruler Designer is worth buying if you want to give your dynasty a jump start. I usually make my first guy an ugly, wounded, genius Grey Eminence or Brilliant Strategist and cross my fingers that the positive qualities get passed down. The Ruler designer not being ironman compatable is dumb as is their point system. About the only thing it can do that the console can't is increase health and give you kids? Btw, anyone know if you can just run the event ID for having a kid with a shrubbery? And what it is? Deceitful Penguin fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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^e: oh come on, you might as well say you should skip the DLCs since you can mod in events yourself, or that the music DLC is pointless when you can have itunes up in the background. The interface for the ruler designer is about a million times simpler (and will be even more so if they ever patch in something to replace scrolling arrow madness  ), it's easily worth the $2 buy in. I think Ruler Designer is worth holding off on, or at least making a concerted effort to not use for a while. I have a bunch of friends who I got to buy this game who found it really bland since every single time they just went with ruler designed rulers, which means their starting alliances, family, dynasty history etc was always completely absent. Then when I made them play historical rulers they started having a lot of fun. If you can resist the temptation while you're learning it's a lot of fun but I don't think it's a necessary starting DLC. The Also I said it before, but I genuinely think the portrait packs are every bit as important as the majority of the major DLCs. This is a game where you are staring at portraits for hours on end, them having more variety livens up the world enormously. Koramei fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Nah, the Ruler Designer is a lot less complex than anything else except the Customization DLC, where you pay to be able to rename your dynasty and counties, which isn't an intrinsic part of the game because, uhhhhhhhhh Also lol at having to remove every single trait if you wanna change things up because it isn't even that well designed. And capping you at 50 years and all kinds of other restrictions the console doesn't have. I will say that I enjoyed it a lot though, before I actually learned to use the console properly and it does save some wrangling, so getting it on sale isn't completely useless, just, kinda not really worth money?
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The ruler designer is good and fun, who wants to memorize all those console commands. It also gives yous some limits so you cant design a 16 years old superman. I used it a lot, I like to create my own dynasty. Grab it if its cheap
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You can trivially remove the age and trait points stuff in defines, and it's nice they tried to balance it somewhat. And I like it as a much simpler interface for customizing the portraits. It is pretty bullshit that they don't let you use it to edit people into existing dynasties though. I agree they're eh at full price but for the sale prices they're definitely worth picking up.
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Elias_Maluco posted:The ruler designer is good and fun, who wants to memorize all those console commands. Steam browser the wiki? But whatever, people should buy the ruler designer if they got money.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Btw, anyone know if you can just run the event ID for having a kid with a shrubbery? And what it is? event WoL.562
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SeaTard posted:event WoL.562 Another question; does the "Refuse invitiation" modifier ever expire? I mean, I can imagine that the seduction one should last longer, but it's a bit daft that just because you couldn't make it to one party, the once, you never want to go to a party with that person, even years later.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Noice, thanks. I really hate reading through the files trying to find them, wish that the wiki had the full list of all of them. Though it doesn't seem to be working just running it from the console; might be because of the AtE mod? Eh. WoL.561 is the seducing of the rose bush, which has a 20% chance to fire 562, which is what causes the pregnancy. So you could always just try WoL.561 a few tomes. The capitalization matters btw.
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Koramei posted:You can trivially remove the age and trait points stuff in defines, and it's nice they tried to balance it somewhat. And I like it as a much simpler interface for customizing the portraits.
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I'd love to have a dynastic palace similar to what republics get for Feudal Lords so my dynasty can slowly build up a palace and estate to better raise new generations of shitlord tyrants in. I'd also love to see universities re-done as either a holding or trade post style pseudo-holding that is super expensive to build and upgrade but more powerful, with them representing a significant investment and big thing to capture/destory. Particularly if they could have a focus, so you'd get military universities, or great philosophy universities, or great economic universities. Sending courtiers and heirs away for an education would be a fun addition and add some cultural back-and-forth, with the culture and religion of the university having a chance of rubbing off on the students.
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Omnicarus posted:I'd love to have a dynastic palace similar to what republics get for Feudal Lords so my dynasty can slowly build up a palace and estate to better raise new generations of shitlord tyrants in. Love it, specially the university thing Paradox pls hire this guy
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Omnicarus posted:I'd love to have a dynastic palace similar to what republics get for Feudal Lords so my dynasty can slowly build up a palace and estate to better raise new generations of shitlord tyrants in. dunno if you're into mods- but this one (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=246520516) is roughly the first thing it also seems to be pretty widely compatible with other mods
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Those two are the main ones and even Conclave you might not want to jump right into if you're starting out since it makes vassal management more complicated (not really THAT much more complicated, but you might find it confusing if you've never played a Paradox game before). I see a ton of negative reviews for Conclave and Sunset Invasion - is this just Steam reviewers overreacting or should I skip those?
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Mr E posted:I see a ton of negative reviews for Conclave and Sunset Invasion - is this just Steam reviewers overreacting or should I skip those? Just the usual slant of only people who hate a thing bothering to comment. I like Sunset Invasion for the potential late-game shake-up. Conclave adds a lot of flavour to council stuff, and I like it for adding a new dynamic to master, which lets you balance realm stability against personal power by how much you delegate to the council.
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Mr E posted:I see a ton of negative reviews for Conclave and Sunset Invasion - is this just Steam reviewers overreacting or should I skip those? Sunset Invasion has negative reviews because when it was announced it pissed off the entire paradox plaza forums because it wasn't 'historically accurate'.
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:I'm sure this has been asked a hundred times before, but which DLC should I get if I'm absolutely new to the game? Conclave and way of life seem to be no-brainers since they add functionality that looks really fun, but as for the rest I have no clue. Be warned, Conclave makes the game much harder then without. If you have been trying to follow along with the lets play as Ireland you won't be able to. How do I get my council to actually cash in their favors? I pretty much owe everyone now so I could get primogeniture passed, and since they are 100% opposed to me passing any other laws I'm pretty much stuck. Also holy poo poo Ireland gets boring if your utter failure of a chancellor can't ever seem to fabricate any claims. I'm just marrying off my daughters to heirs I have invited to my court so hopefully the next generation has something to do.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Be warned, Conclave makes the game much harder then without. If you have been trying to follow along with the lets play as Ireland you won't be able to. I'm around 30 episodes into this so I think I have an idea of what to do, and having to fight an uppity council is definitely something I wouldn't want to miss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfw7GRuhPYM
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The Mongols somehow decided to invade Spain in my game when they're still barely on the map. They invaded the Bektashi Order before that, did that have anything to do with it? They have castles all around the Muslim world.
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Do I have to own all the DLC for most mods to show up in the Workshop? I can't find After the End, CK2+, the Game of Thrones mod, or VIET anymore.
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Mister Bates posted:Do I have to own all the DLC for most mods to show up in the Workshop? I can't find After the End, CK2+, the Game of Thrones mod, or VIET anymore.
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Ah, there we go, found them on the forums. What's the thread opinion on CK2+ versus HIP? The change lists for both are super-long, and spread across multiple threads in the case of HIP. I've got the general gist of it, but is there a consensus on which one is more enjoyable? I've been burned pretty badly on overhaul mods for Paradox games, like that one 'Historical Plausibility' or whatever-it-was-called megamod for Vicky 1 where all the event code completely broke if you ran the game faster than Normal speed.
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Mister Bates posted:Ah, there we go, found them on the forums. CK2+ is really good again and HIP has gone downhill in comparison, partially because the good module of VIET broke years ago and nobody ever updated it. Neither of them will break the game though.
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I haven't played much of CK2+, not a fan of the map. The good thing about HIP is that it feels like your leader's stats matter a lot more. I had a guy with 29 martial and I don't think ever lost a battle with him in command, high diplomacy people don't have to deal with as many revolts, high stewardship was pulling in a ton of gold, etc I wish they would add in the Greek and Arabic Sicilian melting pot events though, and the one for crusader states
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Gave HIP a try for the hell of it, and holy crap is this poo poo hilariously unbalanced. Did my traditional Hasteinn start, and managed to defeat the combined forced of West Francia, Asturias, and Brittany despite getting hit by superior armies repeatedly, because I was just hunting down, dueling, and murdering all of their important rulers again, and again, and again. I've killed two kings of West Francia, a king of Lotharingia, a king of Asturias, and two dukes of Brittany, plus a ton of counts, dukes, and bishops, and the various martial-increasing traits and poo poo you pick up from battle have given me a martial score of 52. I've killed over fifteen thousand Christian men in this war, with an army of about 4000.
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HIP Hasteinn's Martial skill is now at 54 and he's defeated three Christian holy wars for Brittany. His personal combat skill is off the charts; in addition to being the greatest strategist since Alexander the Great, he's the most skilled single-combat fighter in the entire world. He's added a king of East Francia and another king of Asturias to the pile of crowned heads at his feet. Christendom is collapsing into three separate civil wars because the big blobs are ruled by children with terrible regents after I killed all the adult claimants and every one of their competent advisors with my axe. I have not been cheating in any way and used the default HIP install configuration, HIP is just loving ridiculous. This was absolutely not the experience I was hoping for, but i think I'm going to stick with it a little while before switching over to CK2+, I want to see just how far I can take this insanity. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jul 2, 2016 |
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Does anybody have suggstions for a written or video LP that I can watch to get into this game? The last time I tried playing the game I got very lost off the bat and gave up quickly. Just need to get a sense of all the game mechanics, the way it flows etc.
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I think that the best available written LP is Kersch's screenshot LP with Ireland. A number of things have changed since that was a long time ago, but just going through the first few updates should familiarize you with the basic interface and interactions. The other thing I've seen recommended in this thread is Arumba's video tutorial on Youtube, which isn't up-to-date either but is a little more recent. The trouble is that the game flow depends on your basic situation: are you Catholic, Muslim, Tribal, or Nomadic? Are you basically in peace, expanding as fast as possible, playing the intrigue game, curbing internal dissent, or imminently threatened by conquest? Depending on how you choose your start, and how situations change, the specific mechanics to focus on to start vary in importance. I think as long as you take the time to understand how inheritance law/claims work (which is most critical if you're in a situation like being a Catholic or under an inheritance law like Gavelkind instead of Primogeniture) the rest is mostly a matter of reading tooltips carefully.
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I wish the game would warn me about not giving away land to random courtiers who on their death will pass it on to some random king. Had to bribe my council to change laws and start a war just to revoke that poor guy's title again. Oh and is it a bad idea to start wars for weak claims halfway across the continent? Should I try to keep my holdings connected to each other or does it not really matter?
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