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The Lord of Hats posted:That isn't the payoff, the payoff is that now your mana dork you don't need any more is a 4/6 that can attack. I know, my point is why did they give it that ability at all, when it's completely meaningless on a 4/6 that late in the game.
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I am glad they printed Tamiyo because I thought that green and white could use some good cards to make them competitive 
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Jul 1, 2016 17:08
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I know, my point is why did they give it that ability at all, when it's completely meaningless on a 4/6 that late in the game. I think they just had room on the card and shot for flavour
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Jul 1, 2016 17:08
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Also, flipped werewolves keep the abilities they have in their front side, but often powered-up. It's about continuity.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:15
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R&D is in love with the idea that Eldrazi have their own mana dorks but they are huge and therefore useless as mana dorks.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:20
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Mikujin posted:You cannot include Wastes in your limited decks if you didn't draft them. They are not in any set but OGW. Aren't wastes basic? I thought you could run any basic lands in draft.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:21
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Retromancer posted:Aren't wastes basic? I thought you could run any basic lands in draft. quote:In Limited events (including Sealed Deck and Booster Draft), Wastes must be in your card pool to be included in your deck. You can’t add Wastes to your card pool in the same way that you can add other basic lands.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:22
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Entropic posted:I want altered art where instead of the gatewatch symbol it says CHA on the moon. same but CHIM
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Jul 1, 2016 17:22
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Retromancer posted:Aren't wastes basic? I thought you could run any basic lands in draft. Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest are the only basic land cards that can be run in whatever numbers you choose in limited decks. Other basics (Snow-Covered, Wastes) can be included in any number in constructed decks, but can only be included in limited decks if you drafted them or opened them in your sealed pool.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:25
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Shadow225 posted:I'm seeing this sentiment a lot. Explain to someone who started in Worldwake what a cool spell looks like that doesn't deal with creatures or is a combo card. Coolest thing I've got is cruel ultimatum. Everything else either draws you cards do you can play your evasive beaters, wipes the board so you can play your evasive beaters, or makes a lot of little guys to beat guys. 5C control with spells like Cruel Ultimatum and Cryptic were powerful and interesting to play, but they were just raw power. The kind of stuff I miss a lot is stuff like Astral Slide, which was insanely fun and cool and unique, Or decks where individually none of the pieces were spectacular but together were just great like U/B Madness where suddenly Aquomeba was a real threat and Circular Logic was strong permission. Just because a deck finishes with a combo isn't necessarily broken and un-fun either. Playing with Buried Alive, Stitch Together and Entomb was powerful and fun, but you were bringing back Phantom Nishoba, it was relatively tame compared to the kind of value creatures you can throw down these days. You had stuff like Upheaval Tog, for sure, but that deck was still a blast to play with and against, and just as often you'd have a deck that hinges on Fires of Yavimaya. It's also really hard to explain how differently the game played out when the best creatures around was like, Flametongue Kavu. The pace was very different, and as much as playing around UU hard counter was harder when the impact of a single creature was a lot lower it created environments were say, Plowunder was absolutely back-breaking. You're never going to see that again, a deck of individually bad cards that together are amazing like UG Madness, or something as crazy different as Astral Slide. Right now the best decks are always a collection of THE BEST BODIES or like right now the best bodies, or the best way to get the bodies on the field like CoCo. It's better for coverage, random casual players prefer it, and its just going to be that way forever and as someone who got to cast Tinker for Phyrexian Processor it's just so boring. The game played a lot differently then, you rarely had the thing you have today where a player has lost, but a clogged up and miserable board means were going to have to wait seven turns before its over. I'll take a Necro Combo Summer, or an Urza's clusterfuck any day over the endless slog of midrange deck crashing into midrange decks. I'm definitely in the minority though, so I'd just settle for like a bone thrown my way now and again, let me lose a million FNM matches with a bad Astral Slide 2.0, id prefer that to winning forever with some Gxx list in perpetuity. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 17:28
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And another part of the three-color walker chart is filled. The Real Foogla posted:same but CHIM gently caress you now I want a Morrowind (or ES in general) set.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:33
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We just had one of the best decks in the format like six months ago be a dumpster pile of commons and uncommons backed up by Rally the Ancestors, a spell that everyone thought was going to be unplayable at release.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:36
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The best ever spell deck in mtg, was a couple of guys who had been friends since Mirage block. One was named Taniwha, and the other was Equipoise.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:36
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I agree with the post by the Astral Slide guy
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Jul 1, 2016 17:41
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I also think Magic was a lot better when I was 12.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:44
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I will say though that it is incredibly shocking to me that after they made creatures better OLS draft all star Nantuko Husk went on to be the key card in a constructed deck like 15 years later
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Jul 1, 2016 17:47
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Magic was pretty bad when I was twelve.
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Alaan posted:We just had one of the best decks in the format like six months ago be a dumpster pile of commons and uncommons backed up by Rally the Ancestors, a spell that everyone thought was going to be unplayable at release. I mean Rally. A) Had Collected Company B) Was filled with Value Creatures like Elvish Mystic and Baby-Jace. Just because the rarity of cards like Cutthroat, Sidi's Faithful, and Grim Haruspex is common and uncommon doesn't make it less boring to me that they are better than any spells because creatures are so consistently pushed. At the end of the day, its all subjective, if suddenly dumping bodies onto the field from your graveyard was opposed to your hand as enough of a shake-up to the previous strategies for you, cool, it felt like more of the same to me. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 17:49
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Oh hey more green and white stuff
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Jul 1, 2016 17:53
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I feel like collective brutality could have been a playable card if it was instant. Should have also been uncommon. For it to be rare and a sorcery it makes more sense for it to be 1 cmc.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:59
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rabidsquid posted:Magic was pretty bad when I was twelve. I was 12 during Urza's block so it was pretty bad when I was 12 too. Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I agree with the post by the Astral Slide guy Same. Powerful creatures are good, modern design is not good. I still remember opening a Spiritmonger in the day and I couldn't believe what an absurdly powerful card it was. How could they print a 5 mana 6/6 that gets huge and is practically unkillable?! Now it probably wouldn't be good enough for standard, even if BGx was a good deck. Basically what I'm saying is give me Pernicious Deed except make it also hit planeswalkers. That'll fix standard. Except that it would just get Dromoka's Commanded away the turn you cast it.
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Wurzag posted:Oh hey more green and white stuff Change thread title please. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > Magic: The Gathering: Oh hey more green and white stuff
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Jul 1, 2016 18:03
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Green has lots of limitations. For example, its best 2-drop requires you to have lands in your deck to be good.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:11
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literally the only reason green got a good card here is that it's also got blue in the casting cost.
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I hear oath of nissa makes this card really easy to cast and is also played in decks that like to cast creatures and planeswalkers.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:16
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Doesn't immediately and overwhelmingly solve Avacyn/Coco, Black gets nothing good, literal waste of cardboard, Maro should be tried for war crimes IRL.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:16
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Sickening posted:I hear oath of nissa makes this card really easy to cast and is also played in decks that like to cast creatures and planeswalkers. I still would play the 4th Gideon over the 1st Tamiyo.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:17
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Bugsy posted:Hymn'rakul This is the one card that makes me want to create a B/G Delirium deck. Buuuuuut I doubt if it's good.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:20
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I know, my point is why did they give it that ability at all, when it's completely meaningless on a 4/6 that late in the game. I'm sure you can find something to do with it, most good limited decks have some kind of mana sink. Maybe you can hardcast an emerge card, or maybe you can cast a 4-drop and a 5-drop in the same turn. Or maybe you can cast and flip another Werewolf in the same turn. New Tamiyo is cool, I like that Tamiyo gets absolutely ridiculous ultimates. Like, Omniscience wasn't good enough, draw three cards too, even though her + ability has been drawing a shitload of cards already.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:22
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suicidesteve posted:I was 12 during Urza's block so it was pretty bad when I was 12 too. The best part about Spiritmonger is it looked absurdly powerful at face value and was certainly better than perhaps any creature printed to date but it was still OK because you could still counter it for two mana or wrath it or chump block it forever or whatever, you could deal with it. The card was an absolute home run
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Since lily and emmy are the focus of this set lily better be forced as gently caress. She might be the last hope to play anything not green and white.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:26
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Doubling Season -> Tamiyo seems quite good. Kindof feel like the card doesn't actually do that much in general though.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:"Draw cards by doing combat damage" is a pretty green thing. i meant the meta-reason , going from mono-blue to full bant is quite the shift
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Sickening posted:Since lily and emmy are the focus of this set lily better be forced as gently caress. She might be the last hope to play anything not green and white. We still don't have a 2CMC version yet. 
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Jul 1, 2016 18:29
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also curiosity was blue before it was green god durn it
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mandatory lesbian posted:also curiosity was blue before it was green god durn it Yes, in the era where blue had everything and green had ramp and giant growth and basically nothing else
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Jul 1, 2016 18:32
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Chill la Chill posted:We still don't have a 2CMC version yet. I'm definitely looking forward to Tibalt, but black.
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Blue had literally everything and if we'r ebeing honest Birds of Paradise was actually a blue card. There wasn't a green card until well after Primeval Titan, arguably there might not be any yet. It's just blue cards.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:33
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Ferrinus posted:Eight with double strike, vigilance, and a cooperative opponent! Add a fight spell, ten. Ka-ching.
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guys my uncle at magic says they will only make green and white cards in the future
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