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THC posted:Polls show the "people out here" (who exactly?) are vastly outnumbered by the rest of us who understand what a terrible idea it is to ship raw bitumen to China. I might be willing to support Northern Gateway if it was transporting synthetic crude instead of diluted bitumen. I'm a little bit nihilistic regarding global warming, but exporting dilbit is bad for the economy and the environment. At least you can clean up an oil spill.
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Whiskey Sours posted:I might be willing to support Northern Gateway if it was transporting synthetic crude instead of diluted bitumen. I'm a little bit nihilistic regarding global warming, but exporting dilbit is bad for the economy and the environment. At least you can clean up an oil spill. What the loving poo poo is this nonsense. Please cite the difference in cleanup procedures for PSC and dilbit. Do you realize both share the same line capacity on the Clipper and Keystone Leg? Seriously. Who the gently caress feeds you this misinformation and how do you ever become remotely empowered to say such dumb poo poo as a fact to even a comedy internet website like SA. The entire exporting to Asia argument is no more then 2 native bands rent seeking, just like Mackenzie Valley. It even says as such in the ruling rejection by the courts. Furthermore, you do not ship "raw" bitumen anywhere, for various problems which are far too complex for this thread, but mainly due to dry bulk logistical concerns.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 08:53 |
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Hal_2005 posted:What the loving poo poo is this nonsense. Please cite the difference in cleanup procedures for PSC and dilbit. Do you realize both share the same line capacity on the Clipper and Keystone Leg? Seriously. Who the gently caress feeds you this misinformation and how do you ever become remotely empowered to say such dumb poo poo as a fact to even a comedy internet website like SA. Clever of you to ask for the difference in cleanup procedures, rather than the difference in how cleanups have progressed; there is no difference in procedure. However, while procedures appear to be the same, effectiveness appears to be far worse for dilbit spills vs. synthetic crude spills, if what happened at Kalamazoo is any indication of how things might progress at another dilbit spill into a body of water. Unless, of course, they've figured out how to effectively use those same procedures to get bitumen off the bed of the water-way in the same time-frame as a synthetic spill?
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 09:10 |
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Sometimes I think the cumulative knowledge of participants in this thread is wikipedia with a lot of broken links and inconsistent citation methods. I dunno if wiki editors are this prickly, though. I'm only here to attach the last pokemon page, however. Gotta keep that signal/noise ratio at mutually assured destruction, just the way we like it.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 09:20 |
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those pokémon pictures are low-effort trash much like this thread h'yukk'yukk
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 09:21 |
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Hal_2005 posted:What the loving poo poo is this nonsense. Please cite the difference in cleanup procedures for PSC and dilbit. Do you realize both share the same line capacity on the Clipper and Keystone Leg? Seriously. Who the gently caress feeds you this misinformation and how do you ever become remotely empowered to say such dumb poo poo as a fact to even a comedy internet website like SA.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 14:49 |
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It's Canada Day and I have an awesome BBQ and deck party planned, but it's raining
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 14:57 |
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Let's regale ourselves with legendary tales of burning down the white house and rescuing all of rwanda
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 15:06 |
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Pixelante posted:Sometimes I think the cumulative knowledge of participants in this thread is wikipedia with a lot of broken links and inconsistent citation methods. I dunno if wiki editors are this prickly, though. I thought I'd seen that first guy before
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 15:07 |
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Also lol at a white retard from Calgary complaining about rent seeking
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 15:07 |
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Happy Canada Day CanPol
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namaste faggots posted:Let's regale ourselves with legendary tales of burning down the white house and rescuing all of rwanda Happy Canada day you wonderful hateful piece of garbage
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 16:30 |
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Happy Canada Day Every single mayor in Metro Vancouver, except one, the Mayor of Delta, is opposed to the new $3.5 billion 10 lane bridge that the Province wants to build in the region. It doesn't seem like that happens often, that Provincial infrastructure funding is unappreciated and unwanted by a municipal government. Well I guess the mayors would want that cash, but they've done enough research to know that the bridge isn't going to help their communities and they need more public transit money. quote:
The BC Liberals are unmoved though. They seem set to accelerate the time line and get this thing started before the election. quote:Massey Tunnel replacement squeezed to ensure premier gets hard hat moment
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 16:34 |
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Constant Hamprince posted:Happy Canada day you wonderful hateful piece of garbage Here's a video of gord downie forgetting the words to o Canada 4 u
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 16:52 |
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Femtosecond posted:Happy Canada Day Lois Jackson is just proving that it's time to amalgamate the cities. Merge North Vancouver, District of North Vancouver, and West Vancouver into one. Merge Burnaby, New Westminster, Port Moody, Port Coquitlam, those useless villages to the north of it, and Coquitlam into one. Merge Surrey, Langley, Langley Township, White Rock, and Delta into one. Merge Pitt Meadows and Maple Ridge into one. Leave Richmond alone? I leave Vancouver out because it's has a different status as a city than the others. By doing this it makes it seem less idiotic when a Lois Jackson type comes on the scene.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 17:03 |
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Amalgamate Vancouver into Canada's first nuclear weapons testing facility, IMO.
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PT6A posted:Amalgamate Vancouver into Canada's first nuclear weapons testing facility, IMO. That's a pretty bold statement coming from someone who lives in Calgary.
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Femtosecond posted:The BC Liberals are unmoved though. They seem set to accelerate the time line and get this thing started before the election. The part that makes the least sense about the bridge is where do they think those 10 lanes are going to go? Vancouver isn't going to widen Oak Street, or build a new Oak Street Bridge, or build a highway along Marine. Even if Richmond decides to make Hwy 99 four lanes on each side you're still going into a bottleneck at Oak which will gently caress everything up. I can see replacing the tunnel because it cuts off that highway as a TDG and/or oversized cargo route, but 10 loving lanes is a bit much. Does Metro-van really need the second and third largest cable stayed bridges in North America? It only makes remotely any sense if you're trying to connect land in Tsawwassen to Metro-van for suburbanization and at the same time hand a huge plum project to your bridge developer friends. Oh, wait, I get it now.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 17:24 |
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Happy Canada Day. The Globe and Mail posted:Canada to join arms trade treaty, but will not raise export controls
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 17:52 |
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http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/how-to-fix-canadas-innovation-conundrum/quote:How to fix Canada’s innovation conundrum enhancing workplace skills lmao here's the problem: garbage in, garbage out
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 18:09 |
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ductonius posted:The part that makes the least sense about the bridge is where do they think those 10 lanes are going to go? Vancouver isn't going to widen Oak Street, or build a new Oak Street Bridge, or build a highway along Marine. Even if Richmond decides to make Hwy 99 four lanes on each side you're still going into a bottleneck at Oak which will gently caress everything up. I can see replacing the tunnel because it cuts off that highway as a TDG and/or oversized cargo route, but 10 loving lanes is a bit much. Does Metro-van really need the second and third largest cable stayed bridges in North America? Right. Vancouver has had a policy not expanding the road network for over 30 years at this point. That's never going to change. The amount of people that commute from elsewhere to Downtown Vancouver is exaggerated; lots of people would commute from South of the Fraser to Richmond and New West/Burnaby, but still you make a great point. In fact, former Transportation Minister and one time sure bet for next BC Liberal party leader Kevin Falcon agreed with you. I knew I had read his thoughts on the Oak Street Bridge problem before but I had a hard time finding the source. I could only find the quote reprinted second hand on this blog. quote:Meantime, new bus lanes are being built on the north side of the tunnel for a so-called rapid bus service in both directions, and the province’s $20 million investment in seismic upgrades will extend the life of the tunnel “for easily another 50 years,” said Falcon. Under his watch as Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon upgraded the tunnel and only planned an eventual twinning to 6 lanes.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 18:26 |
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Drunk Canuck posted:Hmm where's that article that was good for a rebuttal here Pipelines don't actually have much to do with climate change except that they've become a symbolic rallying-point for environmental activism. How much does it really matter to global CO2 emissions whether Canada exports 3M bbl/day or 3.3M bbl/day of oil? It doesn't, but it gives Green Party types something to get mad about that doesn't directly impact anyone geographically close to them, which is handy if you like the activist lifestyle but don't want to risk offending anyone you personally know. I'm glad we're engaging in petty regionalism on Canada Day tho that seems only appropriate.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 18:42 |
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I love economists. quote:That leaves us with improving productivity—working smarter. Productivity figures can be disaggregated into three components: workforce quality; capital deepening; and what economists call multi-factor productivity, essentially the know-how in combining labour and capital, i.e. innovation. Compared to the U.S., Canada has done relatively well in recent years on the first two elements, but dismally on the last. In fact, innovation-driven productivity improvement has made virtually no contribution to Canada’s growth since 2000. This is supposed to sound scientific but when you actually look at definitions of multi-factor productivity you realize that it's essentially a residual category standing for "all the parts of the economy we don't really understand". Which is funny because it usually accounts for a huge part of economic growth. wikipedia posted:Multifactor productivity measures reflect output per unit of some combined set of inputs. A change in multifactor productivity reflects the change in output that cannot be accounted for by the change in combined inputs. As a result, multifactor productivity measures reflect the joint effects of many factors including new technologies, economies of scale, managerial skill, and changes in the organization of production. Of course saying "multi-factor productivity" sounds much more rigorous and scientific than saying "a dozen different factors we don't entirely understand but which we think in one way or another influence output".
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Femtosecond posted:Under his watch as Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon upgraded the tunnel and only planned an eventual twinning to 6 lanes. Falcon used to be neighbours with my parents and would creep on my sister when she was working at the nearby coffee shop.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:Pipelines don't actually have much to do with climate change except that they've become a symbolic rallying-point for environmental activism. How much does it really matter to global CO2 emissions whether Canada exports 3M bbl/day or 3.3M bbl/day of oil? It doesn't, but it gives Green Party types something to get mad about that doesn't directly impact anyone geographically close to them, which is handy if you like the activist lifestyle but don't want to risk offending anyone you personally know. a) symbolic actions matter and a rejection of pipelines is a symbol for people to rally around in order to effectively communicate that they care about climate change even when they may not know a lot about the issues or be in a position to have a meaningful impact over them. b) building new pipelines absolutely does have much to do with climate change. Even if you're right and the change in oil exports is negligible, it represents two important climate-related policy items. First, building a new pipeline is an infrastructure investment that could be being invested in other things that don't contribute to carbon emissions. This may be less of a concern when the oil company is footing the entire bill (although oil companies are notorious for getting out of the cost of pipeline spills, so that's not necessarily actually the case) but it still matters. For example, we could be raising taxes on oil companies and investing those tax proceeds in renewable or nuclear energy infrastructure instead of letting them have the money to build pipelines. And that ties into my second point, building that infrastructure creates a level of institutional lock-in that makes it more difficult to wean off oil production, exports, and use in future. It continues the trend of making long-term investments in Canada as an oil-producing nation because the people who benefit economically from that pipeline will expect it to remain in service for its entire lifespan, which may lead to significantly increased carbon emissions in the long term, moreso than if we were denying pipelines and therefore not creating long-run infrastructure for oil production and export. And finally, yes it does matter whether or not Canada has a 10% bump in oil exports, since we're exporting some of the dirtiest oil on the planet. We know for a fact that something like 80% of the world's carbon fuel reserves need to stay in the ground if humanity is to avoid catastrophic global warming, and as a result we should absolutely not be making investments in long-term production and export of some of the world's worst fuel when we could instead be trying to play a leadership role in transitioning towards an actual sustainable twenty-first century economy. gently caress pipelines, gently caress the oil sands. Happy Canada Day.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:Pipelines don't actually have much to do with climate change except that they've become a symbolic rallying-point for environmental activism. How much does it really matter to global CO2 emissions whether Canada exports 3M bbl/day or 3.3M bbl/day of oil? It doesn't, but it gives Green Party types something to get mad about that doesn't directly impact anyone geographically close to them, which is handy if you like the activist lifestyle but don't want to risk offending anyone you personally know. Actually the energy industry seriously distorts Canada's economy. During boom periods it pushes up the value of our dollar which chokes out our manufacturing industry and the relatively easy profits mean that it sucks up investment capital that might otherwise go into more innovative industries. Energy and mining are also noteworthy for having much lower productivity growth and innovation than manufacturing. The most recent energy boom coincided with a decline in Canada's most innovative value-added industries and actually reduced the importance of value-added exports to our economy. Also your argument about how we're too small to make an impact on climate change is really spurious. We ought to show leadership on an extremely important issue. We could set an example for other countries and thus play a role greater than what our economy alone would determine by investing resources in finding ways to de-emphasize our dependence on fossil fuels. You'd think that Alberta being hit by an unprecedented flood and an unprecedented forest fire back to back would impress upon them the urgency of addressing climate change but I guess the whole "let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark mentality!" is simply too attractive to be given up.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 18:57 |
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Whatever else we may believe, I'm sure we can all agree that coal power is a crock of radioactive poo poo. Let's find some common ground before we degenerate into celebratory squabbling
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Angry Diplomat posted:Whatever else we may believe, I'm sure we can all agree that coal power is a crock of radioactive poo poo. Let's find some common ground before we degenerate into celebratory squabbling True. Also, nuclear power is cool and good and we need more of it, as well as additional research into how to make it more efficient and cheaper. If you disagree, you are wrong. That's the way to kill fossil fuels and halt global warming.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 19:00 |
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PT6A posted:True. That's great but you're naive if you think that the energy industry isn't a huge obstacle to developing alternatives, including nuclear.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 19:09 |
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I didn't mean that post the way you guys took it. Maybe we can all agree on three things? a). Coming down hard on the oil sands would be good for Canada in the long run but really bad for the west in the short run, b). No government is going to do that because they don't want to deal with AB and SK while they're going through a painful detox process, c). The only meaningful nationwide environmental policy we'll ever have is to die of lung cancer and alcohol poisoning before global warming gets too bad Helsing posted:I love economists. I wanted to make this exact same post, every economic indicator is misleading sometimes but productivity especially is total bullshit. Politicians and talking heads love it because it sounds intuitive and they don't have the time to look at it too closely. IIRC the natural resources industries are a big part of the reason why our productivity numbers are so low but I don't remember why that would be.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 19:36 |
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https://twitter.com/StatCan_eng/status/748954703468306432 The flag is so important, we had an intern photoshop a CG flag onto a stock photo of the sky to prove it. It's not like you can find one of those things anywhere.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 20:10 |
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Femtosecond posted:The BC Liberals are unmoved though. They seem set to accelerate the time line and get this thing started before the election. It worked for Site C!
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 20:30 |
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Guy DeBorgore posted:I didn't mean that post the way you guys took it. Maybe we can all agree on three things? a) I'm not sure. I think that the support for pipelines is based on certain assumptions about the future of power generation that are extremely speculative. We don't really know what the price of Alberta's energy will be. It's plausible that Alberta would benefit economically from these pipelines but far from certain. I think that these pipelines have become a symbol to Alberta and is being used by politicians there to avoid discussing how poorly Alberta has been governed. Maybe the pipeline would be a huge boon, maybe not. It's a plausible but far from guaranteed outcome. b) I have no idea if that's true, but I'm tired of left-leaning or progressive people negotiating with themselves. The whole "we can't do anything better" logic would have precluded the passage of huge signature accomplishments like medicare. Governments are lovely and inactive up until the point that they aren't. Politics always involves an element of gut feeling: no matter how much economics and political scientists and statisticians pretend to know what is possible and what isn't, the fact is that we all operate under a veil of ignorance and sometimes you need to just push for the solution you believe in rather than talking yourself into believing that it's impossible. c) See above quote:I wanted to make this exact same post, every economic indicator is misleading sometimes but productivity especially is total bullshit. Politicians and talking heads love it because it sounds intuitive and they don't have the time to look at it too closely. quote:IIRC the natural resources industries are a big part of the reason why our productivity numbers are so low but I don't remember why that would be. Productivity growth is higher in manufacturing than it is in resource extraction presumably because there's more room to innovate and there's more incentive to do so. For what its worth the FIRE sector isn't very innovative or productive either, so huge parts of Canada's economy even outside the resource sector are locked into a lovely, rent-seeking model. We're lucky to be on the North American continent because in many ways we have the economic profile of a third world colonial state.
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# ? Jul 1, 2016 20:57 |
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toe knee hand posted:It worked for Site C! How else will you bankrupt BC Hydro?
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Leofish posted:https://twitter.com/StatCan_eng/status/748954703468306432
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# ? Jul 2, 2016 00:01 |
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http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/06/30/China-Refusing-to-Recognize-Canadian-Citizenship-of-Travellers/quote:China Refusing to Recognize Canadian Citizenship of Travellers, Reports Say tl;dr canadian citizenship is worthless happy canada day fuckwads
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# ? Jul 2, 2016 00:04 |
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Remember you party animals, no matter how bad you have to go,do NOT pee on the war memorial tonight.
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# ? Jul 2, 2016 02:33 |
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Wow you are human garbage stop making fun of Canada's greatest war hero Romeo dallaire
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# ? Jul 2, 2016 02:42 |
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I'm celebrating by writing a 12 page paper on inter-sectoral approaches to improving health literacy for disabled Canadians. Also wishing I didn't live between the beach and the bus to the inner harbour. drat KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN.
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namaste faggots posted:http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/06/30/China-Refusing-to-Recognize-Canadian-Citizenship-of-Travellers/ How is this a stupid policy? If you knowingly travel to a country where your citizenship applies to you then what do you expect? The Canadian government straight up tells you that those with multiple citizenship may not be offered the same protections as someone without to people who visit countries where they are a citizen. Hong Kong has been part of the PRoC for almost two decades now so how can this be a surprise?
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