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Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
The NXT volunteers were wearing hi-vis vests and the LDP volunteer had some kind of safari suit/pith helmet thing going on :confused:

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BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Is there a party that wants the federal government to stop propping up child care because I looked and couldn't find one. I'm legit serious - I loving hate child care handouts.

DNQ
Sep 7, 2004

Let me hear you balalaika's ringing out, come and keep your comrade warm!
Calling it now. No mood for change. Handing out HTVs for Labor in Dickson. Reception about as frosty as 2013 at the booth I'm at (Tory, semi-rural).

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

BlindSite posted:

Is there a party that wants the federal government to stop propping up child care because I looked and couldn't find one. I'm legit serious - I loving hate child care handouts.

LDP does, but why do you hate them?

edit. child care welfare I mean, not the LDP (although you should)

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
Women taking his jerbs maybe

VivaLa Eeveelution
Apr 3, 2011

markgreyam posted:

It took the guy in front of me going out the door literally 30 seconds to get his senate form in the box. He hadn't folded it enough times so it was too wide, and for half a minute at least I stood there, and the ballot box guard dude stood there, just looking at him and each other as he struggled to force it through instead of just folding it up one more time and making it trivial.

So even if you never mastered this:

you not only can, but must vote.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

BlindSite posted:

Is there a party that wants the federal government to stop propping up child care because I looked and couldn't find one. I'm legit serious - I loving hate child care handouts.

Liberals would end it, but only for the poor. Wouldn't want the Dumbly-Horsemouth-Twattytwats to pay too much for an au pair, now would we?

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Zenithe posted:

LDP does, but why do you hate them?

It's a budgetary burden that was introduced for the right reasons but should've been pulled long ago but can't be because any change to it now is labelled as "an attack on families".

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
hot take from tiny no-name booth in Farrer: every other person I saw/heard seemed unaware that we'd changed electorates and had no idea who any of the candidates were. Will it matter? No! No democracy food, either. Death is certain.

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...

BlindSite posted:

budgetary burden

:suicide:

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

BlindSite posted:

It's a budgetary burden that was introduced for the right reasons but should've been pulled long ago but can't be because any change to it now is labelled as "an attack on families".

Are you aware that for people on low incomes it's pretty much the only reason they can continue their work and also have a family?

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Zenithe posted:

Are you aware that for people on low incomes it's pretty much the only reason they can continue their work and also have a family?

Are you aware that it's not?

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Nationalise childcare.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

Eyespy posted:

Voted in Bonner. Sausages $2.50.

Sighting of the rare double-sausage on bread. The legends spoke of such things.

Voted in Bonner and not only was there $2.50 sausage but $4.00 bacon and egg muffin with cheese. What a world we live in.

The AEC worker ticking off names didn't know that voting 1 ATL is being counted as formal this year

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

BlindSite posted:

It's a budgetary burden that was introduced for the right reasons but should've been pulled long ago but can't be because any change to it now is labelled as "an attack on families".

It's not really viable to remove it so long as it takes two incomes to pay for a mortgage and bills.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



BlindSite posted:

Are you aware that it's not?

Source?

Childcare's expensive as gently caress

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

BlindSite posted:

Are you aware that it's not?

~100 bucks every working day is not something people on low incomes can afford. For many low income jobs, that's about what you get after a full days work after tax.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BlindSite posted:

It's a budgetary burden that was introduced for the right reasons but should've been pulled long ago but can't be because any change to it now is labelled as "an attack on families".

Childcare affordability is a major issue, and most of the policies out there are to increase funding, not cut it (though the Coalition did push back implementing their plan).

Families aren't some sacred cow at the moment either; cuts to the Family Tax Benefit are one of the frequent suggestions (from both major parties) to reduce spending.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Did my first HTV shift at a Nationals bunker booth in the deepest COWper.

* The Labor representative assaulted me as he struggled to get his corflute closest to the gate post. Not going to pursue it but seriously WT actual F?

* There seems to be a mood for change in what would usually be the hardened Nationals. They seem to be sick of both majors and will vote for almost anyone else.

* Had one guy refuse a Greens HTV because "I'm a farmer and a shooter!" To which I responded "Then vote Greens they respect the rights of legitimate gun owners and have the best policies for farmers." I don't think he switched votes but it was a point worth making.

* I make a point to ask people to return their HTV. I think it reinforces the Green brand and it definitely impresses the kids that they bring.

Alas, Lol Turnbull is gonna win but I suspect there will be some very odd results in unexpected places. Perhaps the last ten years have actually broken the mould. The new mould appears to be in the shape of a steaming turd but it is a new mould. When was new mould ever a good thing?

Apologies to Amethyst for the lack of C/P.

Cartoon fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 2, 2016

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

I agree that children suck and we need to stop popping out babies but there needs to be a better way

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
Lots of Liberals and Greens stuff in Goldstein. We had an animal justice, family first and drug reform candidates, which is a nice addition but it's a liberal safe seat. No sausages at my local scouthall so I had to walk to the primary school where they had a big market thing on. Got work later so I can't drink booze. Our democracy is creaking under the weights of economic pressure and social conflict but it's always heartening to see more grassroots organisation at the grandma volunteer level.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
The Senate is going to be an insane clusterfuck and I bet some Liberals will regret having a DD.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The Senate is going to be an insane clusterfuck and I bet some Liberals will regret having a DD.

:getin:

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

It's not really viable to remove it so long as it takes two incomes to pay for a mortgage and bills.

I'm living proof that, that statement is bullshit.


Doctor Spaceman posted:

Childcare affordability is a major issue, and most of the policies out there are to increase funding, not cut it (though the Coalition did push back implementing their plan).

Families aren't some sacred cow at the moment either; cuts to the Family Tax Benefit are one of the frequent suggestions (from both major parties) to reduce spending.

Maybe if you can't afford to have children without a government handout you shouldn't have children.

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.
Children are for eating not for raising, anything that assists this aim is in my interest.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

BlindSite posted:

Are you aware that it's not?

I don't think any major party is pushing for the cuts that I can think of. The big right-wing ones are either not going to be controversial or specify policy if they can help it, extremely family-focused or nazis who can't spell children, and lefties are either not going to be cutting welfare or are focused on social issues. I disagree with your idea but there's not much chance of it coming up anyway.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

BlindSite posted:

Maybe if you can't afford to have children without a government handout you shouldn't have children.

Ah, so eugenics it is then.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

Zenithe posted:

Ah, so eugenics it is then.

Kill the poor, problem solved right?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
I always wondered why maternity leave is a thing. Why do we privilege one life style choice over others? Where's my 12 weeks paid leave to wank and drink beer while playing video games?

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The Senate is going to be an insane clusterfuck and I bet some Liberals will regret having a DD.

If nothing else, let this happen.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

BlindSite posted:

Maybe if you can't afford to have children without a government handout you shouldn't have children.

We should be making it easier for women to have more children though? Children are a valuable asset and to grow our economy we need more of them.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Zenithe posted:

Ah, so eugenics it is then.

Yeah :rolleyes: I'm literally hitler.

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



BlindSite posted:

I'm living proof that, that statement is bullshit.

http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.gov.au/living-in-victoria/education-and-childcare/childcare posted:

Childcare type Typical price range
Centre-based childcare A$80 to A$120 dollars per day
Family day care A$6 to A$10 per hour
Nannies A$20 to A$30 per hour
Au pairs (living in your home) A$200 to A$250 per week

Google search for average australian wage posted:

Often the people on those incomes see multi-millionaires as the ones that are rich.” The ABS says the average individual wage in Australia in November 2013 was $57,980 before tax. The average full-time wage is $74,724 before tax.May 8, 2014


Average $100 per day, 5 days per week $500 * 52 = $26k per year. One third to one half of income straight up on childcare without rebate.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

bigis posted:

Was she sipping a latte?

Nope. she was from qld though.

I voted at old parliament house. A bus was blocking the view of the aboriginal tent embassy, $3 for a sausage but they did have an extra selection of sauces and also did steak sandwiches.
Filled 1-50 below the line, ending on two ALP people, leaving out all the racists and Liberals. Then for good measure drew a dick on the ballot.

With a formal vote and my childish act done I stuffed it into the envelope so it will probably not be counted before the winner is declared.

I should have pre polled.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

open24hours posted:

We should be making it easier for women to have more children though? Children are a valuable asset and to grow our economy we need more of them.

Supporting a cycle of poverty is not a good way to grow an economy.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Barely any Liberal how to vote people here, only one person and she was being ignored

VivaLa Eeveelution
Apr 3, 2011

BlindSite posted:

Maybe if you can't afford to have children without a government handout you shouldn't have children.

Easy to say, but kind of daunting when you have a womb in Queensland.

ABC News 24 just interrupted their guy because, unfortunately, Bill Shorten was speaking. He has a smudge on his face and needs to NEVER SMILE.

BlindSite posted:

Supporting a cycle of poverty is not a good way to grow an economy.

Free healthcare and raising the minimum wage it is, then.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

BlindSite posted:

Supporting a cycle of poverty is not a good way to grow an economy.

How is providing childcare supporting a cycle of poverty in any way? It's a way to break the cycle of poverty by allowing women to pursue careers instead of having to rely on welfare.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

open24hours posted:

How is providing childcare supporting a cycle of poverty in any way? It's a way to break the cycle of poverty by allowing women to pursue careers instead of having to rely on welfare.

If we don't support them then they will die and then the cycle breaks, duuuuh

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BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

open24hours posted:

How is providing childcare supporting a cycle of poverty in any way? It's a way to break the cycle of poverty by allowing women to pursue careers instead of having to rely on welfare.

Because the evidence isn't there to support that funding childcare is how you do it. It's generational through targetting disconnected youth and better education. The better educated your society, particularly women the lower the burden on welfare.

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