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zVxTeflon posted:Does Arya even know about Edmure? Wouldn't she just assume hes dead too or did she learn about his capture from somewhere? Did Walder mention it at all during the party?
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Is it a thing that now Arya gets to run around murdering people all willy-nilly and it doesn't seem to bother the religion that makes a point of only killing specified people with a purpose that trained her? At any rate Jaqen should've been pissed he lost two good employees in one day
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Jul 2, 2016 04:42
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Calaveron posted:Is it a thing that now Arya gets to run around murdering people all willy-nilly and it doesn't seem to bother the religion that makes a point of only killing specified people with a purpose that trained her? Now that she is officially No One, the many-faced god tells her exactly who she should kill. It just happens that he wants her to kill the exact same people that she wants to kill and no one else. Basically because people are dying, the many faced god is happy. He couldn't give a poo poo who.
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Jul 2, 2016 05:30
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But isn't one of the big tenets of that religion that the gift of death isn't something to be given out lightly
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Jul 2, 2016 05:56
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Calaveron posted:But isn't one of the big tenets of that religion that the gift of death isn't something to be given out lightly No. gently caress you. Suck aryas dick!
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Jul 2, 2016 07:07
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Calaveron posted:Is it a thing that now Arya gets to run around murdering people all willy-nilly and it doesn't seem to bother the religion that makes a point of only killing specified people with a purpose that trained her? Arya realized that murdering for pay was not her style, because those that died would be innocent of any wrong doing, like the actress. She wants to be an avenging angel, kill those that have wronged her and her family. Thing is, did anyone seriously think that Arya's time in the house of black and white was going to result in her becoming a level 100 Faceless Man Assassin and be assigned to kill Dany? From the start it was obvious this was an distraction, something she thought she wanted but was not something she would see to the end. She was always going to leave at some point, and thinking anything beyond that was just a lack of reading comprehension.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:31
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I always figured she was gonna split, but there were definitely readers who thought Arya was gonna stay a Faceless Man and kill Dany or Sansa.
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Jul 2, 2016 07:34
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The faceless started off dealing karmatic justice, Arya is basically unwittingly bringing them back to their roots.
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twistedmentat posted:Thing is, did anyone seriously think that Arya's time in the house of black and white was going to result in her becoming a level 100 Faceless Man Assassin and be assigned to kill Dany? In reality, it's probably more that they will have a competition about who kills Cersei first (answer: dark horse Jaime coming in from the left field).
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Jul 2, 2016 09:40
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Before DwD I thought that she was going to be assigned to kill jon and then and only then would she break.
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Jul 2, 2016 09:46
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meristem posted:There is a small but loud minority that wants Dany to be in conflict with the Starks. Arya getting assigned to kill her was one possible way to do it. King and Queen-slayer
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Jul 2, 2016 10:21
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Calaveron posted:But isn't one of the big tenets of that religion that the gift of death isn't something to be given out lightly When they meet at Harrenhal Jaqen asks Arya to just randomly name three people he can kill.
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Jul 2, 2016 10:47
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I think the best way to explain Jaqen's treatment of Arya is that the Faceless Men are regular people too. He clearly has some kind of fascination with Arya, which explains all the weird things she allows her to do. The actor suggested as much in his interviews; it's a bit silly to see Jaqen as a mindless enforcer.
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Jul 2, 2016 10:50
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One thing I'm sad that they cut was when Arya beat her Daredevil training by warging into a cat and using it to see. The Faceless Men are just as fallible as anyone, and have no way of identifying an ancient form of magic that is antithetical to their own. Plus, Arya is just one of those people who has Grand Destiny written all over. It's not so odd to want a piece of that action.
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Jul 2, 2016 11:05
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They've left out a lot of the magical elements from the books, like when Dany first goes to Qarth or whatever it was and there were a bunch of pyromancers throwing fireballs in the air, it's small stuff but details like that add a lot imho.
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LemonDrizzle posted:IIRC the crannogmen also have ways of getting past it by land, but they're only useable if you have a guide who's deeply familiar with the marshes. Yea you can bypass it, by going through the swamps ruled by the crannogmen. It just blocks the only dry land route into the north, which realistically is the only way an army could take, without suffering massive casualties in the swamps. Lycus posted:Did Walder mention it at all during the party? Yes Walder mention it to Jaime when he sits down with him, that Edmure is back in his cell. Atreiden fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jul 2, 2016 |
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Alhazred posted:When they meet at Harrenhal Jaqen asks Arya to just randomly name three people he can kill. Yeah, but the implication is that he's got an explicit code he's following; she robbed the god of three lives, so she owes it three lives. Tip the balance one way, you need to reset that balance, and that goes both ways. Doing things willy nilly one way or the other messes things up. Or at least, that's the way it used to be until Arya quit and Jaqen just sort of nodded because why not?
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maybe aryas death list was the request and her servitude was the payment
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Maybe the next plot point was that she goes to the Twins to kill Walder Frey, so gently caress it, here's a boat and off you go.
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Phenotype posted:Maybe the next plot point was that she goes to the Twins to kill Walder Frey, so gently caress it, here's a ftfy
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Arya is not a faceless man so there's no reason to hold her to their standards. She just knows how to face swap.
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A few small oddities and loose ends: - It seemed like the position of Lord Commander was passed on to Edd by default, with no new choosing. Do the garrisons at the Shadow Tower and Eastwatch even know what transpired at Castle Black this season? - It seems like only the North was torn between the rivalry between the Stark and Boltons. As far as any viewer knows, there are no noble houses in Dorne that are discontent with the bastard Ellaria Sand murdering their lord and seizing the throne. Nobody in the Reach objects to Olenna Tyrell allying with Dorne and Daenerys. Nor have any Lannister bannermen or lords from the Stormlands and Crownlands withdrawn their support for Cersei. Granted, something like this might happen next season, but thus far it seems like all regions except the North are completely politically unified. - Will Daenerys' fleet sail straight past Volantis, the most notorious slavers among the Free Cities and leave them unmolested. Considering Braavos is ideologically opposed to slavery, wouldn't it make sense for her to seek an alliance?
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Atreiden posted:Yea you can bypass it, by going through the swamps ruled by the crannogmen. It just blocks the only dry land route into the north, which realistically is the only way an army could take, without suffering massive casualties in the swamps. Now that winter has arrived the swamps should be frozen and passable. But why anyone would want to invade the north in winter is beyond me Also there should be some unnamed male heir to high garden that is danys most valuable potential husband and it's weird that hasn't come up at all
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DirtyRobot posted:Yeah, but the implication is that he's got an explicit code he's following; she robbed the god of three lives, so she owes it three lives. Tip the balance one way, you need to reset that balance, and that goes both ways. Doing things willy nilly one way or the other messes things up. Or at least, that's the way it used to be until Arya quit and Jaqen just sort of nodded because why not? Of course Jaqen is more than happy to break this code if it means that he doesn't have to die.
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Kopijeger posted:- It seemed like the position of Lord Commander was passed on to Edd by default, with no new choosing. Do the garrisons at the Shadow Tower and Eastwatch even know what transpired at Castle Black this season? I'm assuming Edd is just Acting Commander until a new Lord Commander is elected, if another choosing ever happens. Castle Black has no Maester, and Jon executed the first ranger, builder and steward before he left. I assume the Night's Watch stopped mattering when Jon left, so Edd will stay in charge until the Wall falls because there's no point to showing any more Night's Watch politics. Kopijeger posted:- It seems like only the North was torn between the rivalry between the Stark and Boltons. As far as any viewer knows, there are no noble houses in Dorne that are discontent with the bastard Ellaria Sand murdering their lord and seizing the throne. Nobody in the Reach objects to Olenna Tyrell allying with Dorne and Daenerys. Nor have any Lannister bannermen or lords from the Stormlands and Crownlands withdrawn their support for Cersei. Granted, something like this might happen next season, but thus far it seems like all regions except the North are completely politically unified. I wouldn't count on it. All the political conflict in Game of Thrones comes from GRRM, and most of that is excised. Even the North was hardly a conflict; everyone backed the Boltons at least passively right up until Jon showed up with an army of wildlings and Vale knights. Kopijeger posted:- Will Daenerys' fleet sail straight past Volantis, the most notorious slavers among the Free Cities and leave them unmolested. Considering Braavos is ideologically opposed to slavery, wouldn't it make sense for her to seek an alliance? She's already allied with half the Seven Kingdoms to conquer Westeros. I don't think she's in a position to make stops along the way, but Volantis may well be brought up as a backburner project.
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It would be neat to see some of the Martells rival houses propping up Ellaria's rule in Dorne, even if they were just in the background providing some justification for how they were able to take power. Make it the Daynes, maybe, since show watcher's have some concept of them now thanks to the TOJ (I might just be saying this just because I desperately want to see the show take a crack at Darkstar.)
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Kopijeger posted:A few small oddities and loose ends:
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meristem posted:(I do think that she will make a brief pit stop in Volantis, and that's where we'll see her start the next season.) Yeah, if anything, next season is going to have to find ways to slow Dany's arrival to Westeros, rather than have her turn up immediately. I'd assumed that they'd spend the first few episodes setting up The Seven Kingdom's plan to repel Dany, leading up to some sort of naval conflict. Probably something to do with Euron (and his horn?), but they could do a whistlestop invasion of Volantis. Or both.
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Also, we saw Volantis twice in the past seasons. And one of the guys Grey Worm killed came from Volantis. And the actress who plays Marei, last seen in Volantis, has signed up for Season 7. It just seems like a convenient place marker, 'Here is where Dany now is.' Otherwise, she'll probably start out in Dragonstone. She'll probably want to visit it.
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Where would Dany land in Westeros? Certainly not at Kings Landing, maybe down south or will she stop at Dorne?
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Demiurge4 posted:Where would Dany land in Westeros? Certainly not at Kings Landing, maybe down south or will she stop at Dorne? Considering the tyrells have joined her she should just land at highgarden. I don't think the show will ever acknowledge her supply issues but her army is going to need a huge amount of food. The dothraki sure can't graze in dorne
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mastershakeman posted:Considering the tyrells have joined her she should just land at highgarden. I don't think the show will ever acknowledge her supply issues but her army is going to need a huge amount of food. The dothraki sure can't graze in dorne Didn't Bronn have a line about Dornish horses being the best?
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Super Deuce posted:Didn't Bronn have a line about Dornish horses being the best? Dornish horses adapted to live off of sand, dothraki havent
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, if anything, next season is going to have to find ways to slow Dany's arrival to Westeros, rather than have her turn up immediately. Her fleet will get shipwrecked on the shores of the Dothraki steppes and they spend the whole season there
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I'm not going to give the show any more poo poo because they actually put Dany on a boat and set course to Westeros which is something that's never going to happen in the books. So thank you D&D and HBO for getting poo poo done unlike the fat bastard.
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Demiurge4 posted:Where would Dany land in Westeros? Certainly not at Kings Landing, maybe down south or will she stop at Dorne? It simply feels like the cleanest solution. Qyburn having a bit of a showdown with Varys and the Cleganes killing each other does, too. Wiping off the slate before the endgame, as it were.
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zVxTeflon posted:Does Arya even know about Edmure? Wouldn't she just assume hes dead too or did she learn about his capture from somewhere? A ton of people saw Edmure, all the Frey and the Lannister men saw/heard what happened. Him being strung up and then surrendering Riverrun is something that everybody would be talking about. Not just the soldiers but also peasant in taverns or inns or wherever. Plus she was at the after-party, all the soldiers would be bragging about how they took Riverrun without suffering a single casualty.
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El Hefe posted:I'm not going to give the show any more poo poo because they actually put Dany on a boat and set course to Westeros which is something that's never going to happen in the books. I don't even think Sansa is going to leave the Vale in TWOW, let alone Dany leaving Slaver's Bay, hell didn't GRRM imply she won't meet Tyrion for a good while? I love the books and I like GRRM but holy poo poo he's hosed. While it's great we'll be getting the ending for the main saga via HBO, I'm sad about Dunk & Egg likely never getting concluded. Those guys are rad. 
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BillBear posted:I don't even think Sansa is going to leave the Vale in TWOW, let alone Dany leaving Slaver's Bay, hell didn't GRRM imply she won't meet Tyrion for a good while? I love the books and I like GRRM but holy poo poo he's hosed. Maaaann... I've been reading Dunk and Egg and enjoying it and the fat man's blue balling us there too? 
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