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Finished TiTS SC. Goddamn that Loewe battle is complete bullshit and I didn't bother trying to stick it out and win. Oh well. I was just happy to see a conclusion to Estelle and Joshua's arc. The other party members were great outside their own character arcs, but the villains were all really dumb and boring Now to play Zero Escape 3. E: oh i guess i won after playing for two minutes. Cool
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Jul 2, 2016 19:39
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We don't have a lot of SRPGs because they're not actually that popular by and large, not because of anything else.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:41
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ImpAtom posted:We don't have a lot of SRPGs because they're not actually that popular by and large, not because of anything else. This lack of SRPGs that aren't Fire Emblem must be the work of an enemy Stand!
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Jul 2, 2016 19:45
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Tired Moritz posted:disgaea 3 wasnt that bad All of them are bad and cheap.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:45
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Disgaea really flooded the SRPG market with its six games over 13 years.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:49
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disgaea has no good husbandos, poo poo SERIES
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Jul 2, 2016 19:57
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Falcom RPGs are infinitely better than anything Compile Heart has made.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:02
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U-DO Burger posted:Finished TiTS SC. Goddamn that Loewe battle is complete bullshit and I didn't bother trying to stick it out and win. There are at least two ways to win it: --Blow every Zeram Capsule and Powder you've got. The first time I fought Loewe was a Benny Hill skit, with one conscious party member desperately tossing a Zeram onto someone else in the instant before they got mauled. --Bring a caster with the Time Gem and Earth Guard/Earth Wall/Gaea Shield, and have them do literally nothing but cast those for the entire fight.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:09
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Tired Moritz posted:disgaea 3 wasnt that bad Disgaea 4 is still my favourite. Mostly because I can actually stand the protagonist, a vampire addicted to sardines On the other hand, I wish someone would make a remake or sequel to Soul Nomad. Now that's my favourite SRPG, period.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:10
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Verranicus posted:Falcom RPGs are infinitely better than anything Compile Heart has made. Next you'll be telling me water is wet 
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Jul 2, 2016 20:15
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Even Fire Emblem nearly went down in flames, never forget.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:16
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Rascyc posted:Even Fire Emblem nearly went down in flames, never forget. Fire Emblem is also better than anything NIS or Compile Heart has ever poo poo out.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:17
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Who cares? There's no real indicator a bad series has ever brought down a genre as a whole. Assuming it's bad anyway. There must be some market for them, much like mobile games.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:18
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Disgaea's p good imo
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Jul 2, 2016 20:18
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GulagDolls posted:Matsuno is busy drinking himself to death Actually he did a kickstarter like Mighty No. 9, cashing in on his name as a creator, but for some reason no one cared and it barely got funded. Last I checked his company took a break from game making to pay the bills with some unspecified but presumably boring product, but now they're back on track to be woefully behind schedule and outsourcing fundamental game design! So basically, he is literally trying to make a new FFT as we speak, but the fans have let him down. So yeah, probably drinking himself to death.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:18
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*Points at Verranicus*: 'Dis guy, eh?
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Jul 2, 2016 20:19
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homeschooled more like it if he doesn't understand basic competitive market
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Jul 2, 2016 20:20
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"Let down by fans" is a weird way of framing getting the funding you asked for but being unable to get a product out.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:21
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Motto posted:Getting let down by fans is a weird way a framing getting the funding you asked for but being unable to get a product out. Well, Kickstarter is a weird funding model. They usually ask for a lot less than they actually need to make a game.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:22
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Clarste posted:Actually he did a kickstarter like Mighty No. 9, cashing in on his name as a creator, but for some reason no one cared and it barely got funded. Last I checked his company took a break from game making to pay the bills with some unspecified but presumably boring product, but now they're back on track to be woefully behind schedule and outsourcing fundamental game design! uh, the story i heard was less that fans let him down and more that the game's development is a shady mess
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Jul 2, 2016 20:24
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I'll admit that the development history is laughably bad. I'm sure having more money would've cheered him up at least though.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:25
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NIS is all over the place in quality but their Disgaea games have a lot of genuinely excellent design elements and the good ones are very good at what they're trying to do. It may not be what you personally want but especially with Disgaea they generally do things very well. I'm not fond of their plots but ANIMEJOKEx100 has never been my thing. Getting angry that they keep getting made when they fill a niche nobody else comes close to touching while doing it well is silly. Compile Heart is kind of genuinely lovely by and large but their games are excuses to sell the characters and apparently they're pretty successful at that. RPG/SRPG fans are not suddenly not buying other games because they exist.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:26
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wasn't matsuno little more than a name to the unsung story game
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Jul 2, 2016 20:26
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Clarste posted:Well, Kickstarter is a weird funding model. They usually ask for a lot less than they actually need to make a game. They decided to concentrate on a versus mode no-one cared about then went 'welp we've no money anymore' and disappeared Davincie posted:wasn't matsuno little more than a name to the unsung story game Also yeah pretty much
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Jul 2, 2016 20:26
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Is Unsung story the lovely project that didn't start yet because they were waiting on a programmer, or was the other japanese kickstarter nostalgia project?
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Jul 2, 2016 20:27
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Either that or Project Phoenix.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:28
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I thought it was the programmer that they were "expecting to hire", and then it turned out said programmer was busy, and so they just stuck around for years without one?
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Jul 2, 2016 20:28
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Sakurazuka posted:They decided to concentrate on a versus mode no-one cared about then went 'welp we've no money anymore' and disappeared Yeah, I know, I've gotten increasingly apologetic emails from them over the last couple years.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:29
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Junpei Hyde posted:*Points at Verranicus*: 'Dis guy, eh? Hitting you with cold hard facts.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:31
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Are you the same guy who claimed NISA and Idea Factory were preventing Yakuza from being localized and selling well?
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Jul 2, 2016 20:32
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I can't hate Compile Heart since it appears they've genuinely improved over time from the awful HDN to VII actually having a pretty neat combat system.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:33
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GulagDolls posted:Numbers...... I tried playing rondo of swords recently. It's pretty cool. I like that there's no "attack" command. You just attack all enemies that you can move through, so positioning of yourself and enemy units is a lot more important than I think any other srpg I've played. Mistakes are punished pretty harshly but if you're a wise gamer you can dance around all the enemy units and murder them with giant combos without getting hit.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:36
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also disgaea isn't even really trying to be a srpg like fire emblem or fft, it's about system exploitation and bizarre mechanical interactions leading to extremely positive results. it's a game intentionally built around stuff like calculator abuse from fft. that means tactics aren't really a thing but they aren't trying to have tactics really be a thing.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:38
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and i mean, fft and ogre battle are both kind of poo poo. at least disgaea is broken on purpose.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:39
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Endorph posted:also disgaea isn't even really trying to be a srpg like fire emblem or fft, it's about system exploitation and bizarre mechanical interactions leading to extremely positive results. it's a game intentionally built around stuff like calculator abuse from fft. that means tactics aren't really a thing but they aren't trying to have tactics really be a thing. Disgaea is more like a puzzle game in that your goal is to figure out the 'trick' to every stage and most stages have more than one solution. Grinding sheer numbers is one solution but the clever thing about Disgaea is that A) there's usually a solution that involves less grinding and B) Finding the optimal way to grind numbers is a puzzle in itself. There's always a solution involving bigger numbers for anything that isn't the hardest of the hard but you don't have to do that, there are other mechanical exploits which allow you to finish stages. It's a good design if it is what you're looking for.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:41
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Ogre Battle 64 is the best sprg bitches
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Jul 2, 2016 20:42
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Libluini posted:Disgaea 4 is still my favourite. Mostly because I can actually stand the protagonist, a vampire addicted to sardines Yeah I bought a pstv just for disgaea 4 and p4.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:45
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i was gonna make a top 10 srpgs of all time post but then i realized it'd just be fe games and soul nomad
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SRPGs are good and I should really get into Disgaea and Fire Emblem properly.
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