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Does anyone know when or what is going to happen to these leavers? Or know how many leaves until they get hosed? poo poo's annoying.
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Not saying anything is wrong with the game or anything, but the last 7 days or so have been the least fun/most frustrating in Overwatch for me. Might need to take a break for a while.
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Jul 2, 2016 17:51
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Easy Mac posted:Does anyone know when or what is going to happen to these leavers? Or know how many leaves until they get hosed? poo poo's annoying. too many leaves leads to temporary lockouts and if it continues a ban from competitive
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Jul 2, 2016 17:54
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Easy Mac posted:Does anyone know when or what is going to happen to these leavers? Or know how many leaves until they get hosed? poo poo's annoying. http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745575028#post-3 quote:wanted to take this opportunity to briefly explain some of the systems we have in place regarding leaves and losses in competitive play, and why they're there and why they work the way they do.
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Jul 2, 2016 17:58
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Just an aside, but I think Mei's freezing ability should scale based on character size. Let her ice the small/average-size Heroes as it is now, and take a bit longer to freeze a Tank like Winston or Reinhardt so she isn't utterly and inescapably ruining their day in about three seconds flat. Why would anyone bother picking Mei when in "three seconds flat" you can kill that tank instead? And you want to nerf that to four or five seconds?
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Jul 2, 2016 18:14
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sticking three different control moves and an invulnerability on the same hero may have been a mistake
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Jul 2, 2016 18:28
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Prav posted:sticking three different control moves and an invulnerability on the same hero may have been a mistake the mistake was not committing to making the control moves good because they were afraid people would get the feelbads
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Jul 2, 2016 18:29
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people would get the feelbads. they do already.
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Jul 2, 2016 18:33
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I'd be fine with Mei getting buffed if she were harder to play. The reason she's such a terror at low levels is largely because of how easy it is to freeze someone with her gun compared to tracking for headshots with Tracer's pistols or whatever. Maybe increase her current freeze time but make the beam narrower and let it "headshot" to freeze faster and do more damage than it currently does.
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Jul 2, 2016 18:41
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I don't think she's as easy to play as you're suggesting and even if she were, this is a game where Reinhardt and Winston exist. Just buff her, period, no provisos or trade-offs.Prav posted:people would get the feelbads. they do already. this is true, but this is also a game where the Pudge / Devourer analogue is an A-tier character now that people have had time to figure him out, so they really don't have a leg to stand on
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Jul 2, 2016 18:44
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bagrada posted:Things like that, Symmetra's turret kills, and Roadhog's hook percentage are overly weighted for cards at the end I think. They show up way too much. Zenyatta's transcendence healing, too. You could rack up gold elims with Zenyatta, but if at some point in the match your ult did a piddly amount of healing on someone, that's gonna be your card.
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Jul 2, 2016 18:47
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Verranicus posted:Not saying anything is wrong with the game or anything, but the last 7 days or so have been the least fun/most frustrating in Overwatch for me. Might need to take a break for a while. everything about the Competitive system sucks. Why seed me at 46 if you're going to put me in like 15 straight losing games and im gonna play at 38 anyway? why do i get barely any xp when i win, yet lose almost a level when i lose? why the gently caress do i get dinged when other people leave? (gently caress that bullshit explanation, being down a character might as well be everyone on the team missing a mouse button)
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Ddraig posted:Really the main Mei to worry about is the one that has mastered her M2 because that poo poo is loving scary. Has higher damage and less damage falloff than McCree's M1. It can one-shot a tracer. it has higher damage but more falloff than mccree actually mccree's primary does 70-35 damage; mei's alt fire does 75-22. it's also slower to fire and is a projectile rather than hitscan like mccree's peacekeeper
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Jul 2, 2016 18:49
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't take low accuracy as Pharah as a bad thing, it just means you're using rockets for area denial and not just for kill shots. The only time you shouldn't be firing rockets like a madman is when you're trying to set up an ultimate from an unexpected angle. Yeah that's basically what I was doing and getting a lot of splash kills. Does shooting Reinhardts shield count as a direct hit or miss?
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Jul 2, 2016 19:21
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Xaris posted:Yeah that's basically what I was doing and getting a lot of splash kills. hitting shields counts as a direct so you can pad that particular stat by spamming them
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Jul 2, 2016 19:25
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I'm in this weird spot with Mei where if my team is decent, I can contribute a lot, but if my team is getting rolled, I'm useless. Also I can't imagine she'd be as good on console. Being able to pop up a wall in the right spot in a split second is soooo useful.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:38
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Oh and for some reason I never see other Meis pop their walls early. I don't think people even know you can. I do it all the time if I think the wall is hurting my team more than helping.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:41
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Had a Mei in comp last night who popped a wall blocking us (her own team) off the point we were in 99/99 overtime. We lost. Luckily we won the next three, but still... gently caress that guy. Also, he left the loving thing up.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:46
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Han Nehi posted:I'm in this weird spot with Mei where if my team is decent, I can contribute a lot, but if my team is getting rolled, I'm useless. I really like her on payload maps when my team has a Rein, but I won't claim she's a better choice even then than a good S76.
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Jul 2, 2016 19:49
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2-4 so far on placement matches. the two wins were from soloq, others were groups. I hope I get a 50 rank
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Jul 2, 2016 19:51
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Han Nehi posted:I'm in this weird spot with Mei where if my team is decent, I can contribute a lot, but if my team is getting rolled, I'm useless. if anything, she'd be way better on console because it's harder to react to a mei freezing you from behind. dropping a wall isn't exactly hard
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Jul 2, 2016 20:03
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Efexeye posted:everything about the Competitive system sucks. Why seed me at 46 if you're going to put me in like 15 straight losing games and im gonna play at 38 anyway? why do i get barely any xp when i win, yet lose almost a level when i lose? why the gently caress do i get dinged when other people leave? (gently caress that bullshit explanation, being down a character might as well be everyone on the team missing a mouse button) I've decided to avoid competitive unless a goon group that picks me up wants to run it, it just feels so much less fun. I don't care about my rank as much as a gaudy golden weapon, but meh. Losing a 10 minute QM game is still fun unless my team absolutely throws it, losing a 20-30 minute comp match is just depressing and makes me not want to play anymore.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:09
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bastion should get his self heal removed and replaced with building a little torbjorn out of lutefisk and toothpicks which runs around as a personal healbot
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Jul 2, 2016 20:10
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Thank you for the advice Brannock, even when I lose I feel better knowing that I'm thinking critically about the game state. I'm also playing more impactful heroes.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:21
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I feel like Mei is literally the same as Pyro in TF2 in that she can be a loving terror to lesser-skilled (or simply less-aware) players but is easily countered by experienced players. Which is fine, not every hero has to be top-tier, but at the same time I would be very wary of either buffing or nerfing her because I'm not sure I'd want her to become impossible to counter for the average quick game or even more useless in competitive. (in fact, the one-two combo of freeze+headshot reminds me a lot of burn+axtinguisher)
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Jul 2, 2016 20:23
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Mei's counter is literally "have a battle buddy" so anyone complaining about mei is revealing themselves as the lone wolf flanker that goons love to complain about.
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I have some questions for the people who are good at this game. 1) How do you deal with a Pharah who knows how to play? This one seems really hard. The only real counter we've seen so far is having a better Pharah who wrecks the enemy team harder. 2) How do you deal with a Genji who knows how to play? Especially as a tank. I feel like the only way I can deal with a Genji is if I manage to 100% hit him as he's jumping around me with no margin for error whatsoever. 3) Which tanks are good in which situations? This might be a broad question, I'm asking it more about how to fit your comp/counter the enemy comp rather than which tanks fit in each stage. 4) Should we push for playing DPS when we're in a 3-man/4-man rather than guaranteeing having a tank and a support? I'm having some trouble figuring out how to optimize comps in general and maximizing our efficiency, especially when pugs sometimes deal less damage with Pharah and Junkrat than our non-Zarya tanks.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:50
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All of the hit scan characters are hard counters to Pharah (S76, Widow, McCree). Winston is a hard counter to Genji. Mei and Symmetra are decent counters to him as well, although they're not as versatile map-wise as Winston.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:55
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Winston is good against a lot of the most annoying heroes but then you're stuck playing as Winston
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Jul 2, 2016 20:58
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Papercut posted:Winston is a hard counter to Genji. Can you explain what "hard counter" means?
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Jul 2, 2016 21:01
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Brannock posted:Can you explain what "hard counter" means? Given equal skill they basically make the other character unplayable. Even with a skill disparity, you can greatly reduce the other character's effectiveness.
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Jul 2, 2016 21:04
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Elentor posted:I have some questions for the people who are good at this game. 1) Have a Soldier 76 or Mccree (or both!) who knows how to play. Or even Widow. 2) Have a Mccree or Roadhog who knows how to play. Though any hitscan hero (76, mccree, widow) can check him decently. 3) Yeah this is way too broad of a question to give a particularly useful answer. Though some general advice: - Winston is good on offense when the defense is able to hold high ground (first two points of Route 66, second point of Hollywood, etc.) or KotH. Generally not great on defense but isn't awful if he has verticality to take advantage of. - Reinhardt is good on payload and 2cp on both offense on defense. Avoid on KotH unless you're running specific comps. You want people to shoot from behind your shield so pairs well with heroes who do that. - Zarya is a very strong offensive secondary tank since Graviton Surge is an insane playmaker. Generally builds charge easier on offense since there will be more projectile spam coming at you most of the time. Pretty good on koth. - Roadhog is better of defense than offense, especially if he has a reinhardt shield to hide behind as he hooks people. Playable on offense though. Has a rough time when he's the only tank. Works well on koth when paired with Winston or Zarya. - Dva is bad. 4) The tanks and supports generally have lower execution requirements to reach an acceptable level of play so you generally want your strongest players on offensive classes. That isnt to say its trivial to play tank/support but I say speaking as a support player that the actual raw mechanics are simpler. This makes support/tank players great for making calls and other team duties though.
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Papercut posted:All of the hit scan characters are hard counters to Pharah (S76, Widow, McCree). They absolutely are not hard counters or else Pharah wouldn't be dominating the comp scene which almost always has a 76 or Mccree (or both) on every team. They're decent checks though.
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Brannock posted:Can you explain what "hard counter" means? It means that the character is geared toward specifically shutting down that type of event or opponent. Genji can't reflect Winston's left click, can't get through Winston's shield with his own left click, and has to close to extremely close range in order to use his ult, where Winston can do the exact same thing and win with a significantly larger health pool. In a 1v1 fight between Winston and Genji, Winston should win 9/10 times and the 10th should come down to luck or the Genji player being a minor demi-god among men.
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Jul 2, 2016 21:06
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The only hard counter is Pharah to Junkrat.
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Jul 2, 2016 21:07
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Countblanc posted:They absolutely are not hard counters or else Pharah wouldn't be dominating the comp scene which almost always has a 76 or Mccree (or both) on every team. They're decent checks though. The S76 job on those comp teams is literally just to kill the enemy Pharah, just like those Pharah's job is to hunt the enemy Mercy. E: like yeah the S76 will shoot at everyone, but if the Pharah is doing damage that means the S76 is failing at his job
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Papercut posted:Given equal skill they basically make the other character unplayable. Even with a skill disparity, you can greatly reduce the other character's effectiveness. I would consider hard counter as Granite, Soapstone, Stainless steel, etc...
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Verranicus posted:The only hard counter is Pharah to Junkrat. I don't get this joke
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Jul 2, 2016 21:09
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FranktheBank posted:Had a Mei in comp last night who popped a wall blocking us (her own team) off the point we were in 99/99 overtime. We lost. You can do what now? Given how much I play Nazeebo I should've tried it.
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Papercut posted:The S76 job on those comp teams is literally just to kill the enemy Pharah, just like those Pharah's job is to hunt the enemy Mercy. this is an insane oversimplification and either you know that and you're just doubling down or you dont play comp
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