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True Blue Triumph posted:its a great take on what could happen when a modern nation-state presses the loving self-destruct button TBH we all did that a long time ago with the rightwards shift in politics.
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Strong leadership that can stand up to the Tories, everybody. I guess the chickencoupers' plan is to hold the government to account by throwing a tantrum and then milling around in confusion when the Tories don't give a poo poo.
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Really poo poo news to wake up too. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/02/tributes-pour-in-for-caroline-aherne-who-has-died
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selling off the land registry is genuinely mental for all sorts of reasons but lets start with the fact it consistently makes massive profits
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Jul 3, 2016 08:06
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why is a state-run organization pulling "massive" profits
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Jul 3, 2016 08:09
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So it can be sold off, obviously.
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Socialist Economist Richard Wolff gives a talk on the Brexit and it's underlying issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5458AROrLs&t=2740s Great talk, I advise people watch the whole video. It's America centered of course, but there is also a section on the situation in France right now. Alot of people here are wonks and already know alot of this stuff, but it's still good.
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On other news, it sounds like Corbyn's handlers are afraid to leave him alone in a room with Tom Watson http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length quote:Jeremy Corbyn’s aides are refusing to let Labour deputy leader Tom Watson hold a one-to-one meeting with him, claiming that Watson will try to “bully” the leader into resigning. Duty of care? The emphasis on his advanced age? Why are Corbyn's closest aides acting like they're running a nursing home? Getting a real Reagan late 2nd term vibe from this.
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that's such a lovely articleThe Insect Court posted:Getting a real Reagan late 2nd term vibe from this. oh also you're poo poo
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Actually I bet it's absolutely true much like every other article about the labour party in the last week / nine months
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quote:My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. -PLP, summer 2016
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The Insect Court posted:On other news, it sounds like Corbyn's handlers are afraid to leave him alone in a room with Tom Watson Why would you believe literally anything printed about the internal struggles in the Labour Party considering that pretty much everything reported has been almost instantly refuted?
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Baron Corbyn posted:Why would you believe literally anything printed about the internal struggles in the Labour Party considering that pretty much everything reported has been almost instantly refuted? i am damaged on the inside because i automatically edited that word to "repudiated" in my mind
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Antares posted:They wouldn't put it in the papers if it weren't true*^ †‡
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Jose posted:selling off the land registry is genuinely mental for all sorts of reasons but lets start with the fact it consistently makes massive profits No, that's precisely the reason it must be sold off. If even ineffective uncreative non-entrepreneurial Big Government can make a profit off something, then clearly that means the private sector is being unfairly held back here.
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So how many people actually believe the nonsense about Corbyn/Momentum being antisemitic brocialists and how many people are just pretending? Supporters of the Labour right seem to be pushing it super hard, and I don't know if it's because that's the mud they think will stick or because they genuinely believe he's socialism's answer to Dapper Laughs. I'm doing my best to explain to people that the closest the Labour left have gotten to antisemitism was Jim Murphy blocking a Jewish candidate for councillor because he decided she was an antisemite, but I'm mostly just getting screamed at in response.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:So how many people actually believe the nonsense about Corbyn/Momentum being antisemitic brocialists and how many people are just pretending? Supporters of the Labour right seem to be pushing it super hard, and I don't know if it's because that's the mud they think will stick or because they genuinely believe he's socialism's answer to Dapper Laughs. I'm a filthy American and am assuming that the Blairites are more or less the same in outlook as the Clintons and their people here. That said, the rage at Bernie and his supporters here is almost entirely indignation that their elite status and birthright to rule the country is being questioned, and the particular critiques almost entirely chosen by cynical pragmatism and not really beleived in in the slightest. There's also a strong sort of genteel belief in the righteousness of the status quo, and thus that people earnestly trying to change it without kowtowing to its internal rules are dangerous, immoral radicals. It's essentially an ideology built from the ground up to assure people of their moral superiority for being an entrenched part of the status quo icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:Why would you believe literally anything printed about the internal struggles in the Labour Party considering that pretty much everything reported has been almost instantly refuted? The ironing is delicious. Believe the anonymous four month old twitter account that mostly consists of retweets of bitter Corbynites in which a "rebel" MP praises Jezza's courage. Insist The Guardian has fabricated a quote purportedly from Corbyn's aides in which they talk about the duty of care they have towards their 70-year old leader and how they can't let him in a room alone to have a conservation himself. icantfindaname posted:I'm a filthy American and am assuming that the Blairites are more or less the same in outlook as the Clintons and their people here. That said, the rage at Bernie and his supporters here is almost entirely indignation that their elite status and birthright to rule the country is being questioned, and the particular critiques almost entirely chosen by cynical pragmatism and not really beleived in in the slightest. I suspect it's the same with Corbae Corbyn isn't Bernie. Corbyn is Nader if Nader had known beforehand that he'd throw the presidency to Bush by running but run anyway.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:So how many people actually believe the nonsense about Corbyn/Momentum being antisemitic brocialists and how many people are just pretending? Supporters of the Labour right seem to be pushing it super hard, and I don't know if it's because that's the mud they think will stick or because they genuinely believe he's socialism's answer to Dapper Laughs. I suspect there are a few people who are actually antisemitic, a large number who are anti-Israel and get conflated with antisemites because that's what happens when you're anti-Israel, and a vast number of twitter trolls who get conflated with what people actually think. I wish the twitter trolls would stop, but it's very, very easy to wind up doing it.
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The Insect Court posted:Corbyn isn't Bernie. Corbyn is Nader if Nader had known beforehand that he'd throw the presidency to Bush by running but run anyway. Bernie would probably have lost had he gotten the nomination and the Republicans picked anyone other than Trump
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Corbyn is actually Clinton since both got the most votes in their party's leadership selection. The PLP are superdelegates trying to overturn the result before the next election.
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The PLP is reportedly telling Corbae to please resign, pretty please, because we would like to keep our jobs while pinky-swearing they'll totally continue with his policies 
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icantfindaname posted:I'm a filthy American and am assuming that the Blairites are more or less the same in outlook as the Clintons and their people here Thers's a useful distinction to be made between Blair and Blairites, explainable by analogy with Napoleon: Napoleon: we can win this battle by concentrating all fire on the center, while using our veterans to hold the left flank steady and screening the right flank with antifa. Napoleonist: the way to win a battle is to concentrate all fire in the center. Aide: we have no remaining veterans, skirmishers can't stop a full assault, and the enemy is so strong in the center we will only end up losing slower. Napoleonist: get me another aide who doesn't doubt the wisdom of Napleon.
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Aliquid posted:why is a state-run organization pulling "massive" profits They get paid every time property is sold for keeping a large database and archive. It'd be hard not to make lots of cash from the property owning classes.
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At this point it's also useful to remember that Britain nationalising companies usually happened when those companies poo poo the bed or were outcompeted to the point of imminent implosion. So of course nationalised companies tended to do badly, because mistakes from years of mismanagement needed to be fixed before they could even have a chance to compete, and often market conditions had changed/competitors established themselves by then, meaning turning state-owned companies profitable was an uphill battle. And the few that turned out well could be sold off again.
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blowfish posted:The PLP is reportedly telling Corbae to please resign, pretty please, because we would like to keep our jobs while pinky-swearing they'll totally continue with his policies God that's another own goal of theirs. Either they won't actually adopt the policies which means Corbyn won't agree or they will actually advocate for them, meaning Corbyn just has to ask them to advocate them under his leadership. It gives him less reason to stand down.
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Gorn Myson posted:I've seen leftist anime fans (who imo should be second up against the wall) constantly recommend Legend of Galactic Heroes, but gently caress knows if its legitimately good. As someone who doesn't really like Anime very well, I see it more like space opera. Just pretend it was made by drunk Disney people when watching it, if Anime is something you absolutely can't stand. Back on topic, what is wrong with Great Britain to produce literal monsters in their politicians? The first time I saw a picture of Tony Blair, I couldn't believe it wasn't photoshopped, for example: That guy looks like a ghoul fresh after climbing out of a coffin. Then there are weird babymen like Cameron and that guy flapping his arms ineffectually (Gover, I think?) on TV from a couple pages back. Then there is Boris Johnson, literally a caricature come to life. What the hell is wrong with Britain to put those guys into positions of power? Guys, those monstermen do not belong into politics, what is wrong with you?
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Most of our politicians are interwoven with the aristocracy and their looks come from inbreeding. The rest are just private school poshos who never quite fit in with regular society. There's also the Northern fat bloke Labour member as well I guess. Edit: To be fair most women politicians are very normal looking.
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radmonger posted:Thers's a useful distinction to be made between Blair and Blairites, explainable by analogy with Napoleon: Genius.
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It's not just a modern thing; go back to the 60s and 70s and look at the union leaders who had actual power, big powerful bullying types who were every bit as arrogant and awful as anyone since. I don't think it's even a particularly UK thing; start with the best of intentions and a few years of actually having to exercise power will gently caress you up. Probably because you have to live with yourself after making your first bad decision (and everyone's going to make at least one bad decision). Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
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Gorn Myson posted:I've seen leftist anime fans (who imo should be second up against the wall) constantly recommend Legend of Galactic Heroes, but gently caress knows if its legitimately good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ktgN80MP4
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Jul 3, 2016 10:18
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Lol maybe I should actually finish this series. Haha I just remembered all the super fortress shenanigans.
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knifing boris in the back has killed gove's leadership bid lol. leadsom has said she'll invoke article 50 immediately as well
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i thought this woman was supposed to be a fanatic?
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Well, it's about time I put up or shut up I suppose...
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Metrication posted:i thought this woman was supposed to be a fanatic?
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Metrication posted:i thought this woman was supposed to be a fanatic? She is a fanatic
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