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Raymond had Taloustutkimus do a study on people's attitude towards asylum seekers. 27% have negative attitudes, 27% have positives ones, but over 38% don't have any sort of opinion at all. In another question asked in the same study, a vast majority say that the refugee crisis have not affected their lives at all. Which, you know, is a fact. Having seen the early days of the refugee crisis from the inside of how it was managed, last autumn was a complete shitfest in every regard, but it didn't affect your man on the street at all. lovely for the asylum seekers and lovely for everyone who had to work with dealing with a crisis that the govt decided to be completely unprepared for, but the general population faced no effect at all. There's the article: http://www.raymond.fi/#!suomipuhuu So I don't really think the anti-immigrant ppl can really claim the speak for the vast majority of Finns.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Raymond had Taloustutkimus do a study on people's attitude towards asylum seekers. 27% have negative attitudes, 27% have positives ones, but over 38% don't have any sort of opinion at all. Well, yeah. Those "Close the borders" demonstrations have recently only gathered a handful of people. This despite them saying they represent the voice of the people.
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Elukka posted:This on the other hand is a good manly and ballsy thread where we can post things such as how refugees are rapists. Wow! Blazing keskustelua straight from the year... 2005. All with first making an olkiukko, then arguing against the olkiukko and being smug. Surely this kind of intellect will smash every counter-point. Oikeasti toi läppä on niin helvetin tyhmää, ettei näihin oikein enää kenenkään pitäisi jaksaa edes vastata mitenkään. Antaa tuon porukan sekoilla keskenään olisin varmaan tervein lähestymistapa. Ei ne ulkomaalaisten tekemät kepposet sillä mene pois, ettei niistä puhuta mitään, eikä sillä, että yleistetään jotenkin omituisesti tapaan "no mutta... miehethän ne niitä pahojaan tekevät,". Se, että asioista on uutisia ja niitä linktataan ei myöskään tarkoita, että "pakolaiset ovat raiskaajia". Voi tarkoittaako, Elukka? Tai että perheenyhdistämiset pitää lopettaa koska sinkkumiehet kähmii. Vai tarkoittaako, Elukka? Nämä ovat sellaisia väitteitä joita tietyn sortin vassarit esittävät. Kukaan muu ei sitä tee. Eikä se Elukkakaan tee aivan tosissaan, vai tekeekö. Ehkä se idea kuitenkin rakennella kiva olkiukko, miellään liioittelemalla tai yleistämällä muiden sanomisia, ja argumentoida sitä vastaan niin, että joku toinen osapuoli näyttä sit iha sika tyhmält ja kaikki niiden huolet ja mielipiteet, voi, niinq, sit vaan ohittaa qu ne on selkeesti nii tyhmii ja rasistei. Sääli ettei tuo oikein toimi. Nykyään ainakaan.
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Ligur posted:All with first making an olkiukko, then arguing against the olkiukko and being smug. Fortunately you never do that.
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Jul 3, 2016 12:26
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Kemper Boyd posted:In another question asked in the same study, a vast majority say that the refugee crisis have not affected their lives at all. Which, you know, is a fact. Well, other than where tax euros flow, but yeah, sure, it's a "fact"
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Rexroom posted:But despite of that news, oldschool feminists aren't as excited. To them, the party represents the newer, intersectionalist feminism. Death to Cisrael. quote:Ilmastonmuutos uhkaa erityisesti naisia Looking at their tavoitteet, I think their plan is to further splinter the left-wing and help Cocks remain the biggest party.
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Andrast posted:Fortunately you never do that. Another 2005s thing cool. Ignore original subject, deflect it by starting to talk about another thing/person.
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Ligur posted:Another 2005s thing cool. Ignore original subject, deflect it by starting to talk about another thing/person. I don't really care about Elukka's dumb post. I just found you bitching about that funny since like half of your rants are basically the same thing except on the opposite side. Andrast fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Ligur posted:Ei ne ulkomaalaisten tekemät kepposet sillä mene pois, ettei niistä puhuta mitään What do you mean, this is literally the only thing you ever talk about 
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Herman Merman posted:What do you mean, this is literally the only thing you ever talk about Esimerkiksi tällä viikolla Satakunnan Kansa on uutisoinut parista kepposesta joita ei valtamedioista löydy. Tosin Pravda nosti profiilia tänään, joten kenties ligur on vaan natsipaska
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Rappaport posted:Well, other than where tax euros flow, but yeah, sure, it's a "fact" Run the numbers on how much we spend on refugee programs and see what that ends up being per capita. And people don't give a poo poo about it, apart from a bunch of loud racists, the poll proves it.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Run the numbers on how much we spend on refugee programs and see what that ends up being per capita. quote:the poll proves it. lol Rexroom posted:
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Kemper Boyd posted:Run the numbers on how much we spend on refugee programs and see what that ends up being per capita. It's just another way of Kok and Kesk folks to funnel tax money into the profit-making private companies of their buddies and bedfellows, only this time they get to plaster a feel-good bearded Arab face on it. Maan tapa and all that, but it's ridiculous And lol at "poll proves it", how long are your rastat?
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So is there any proof that the vast majority of the people cares a lot about the asylum seekers and how their tax money is spent on asylum seekers or what? This part of the refugee crisis is over for now anyway, and all that's left is that we're about to ship home a lot of people into unsafe countries and no one really cares about that either.
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Kemper Boyd posted:So is there any proof that the vast majority of the people cares a lot about the asylum seekers and how their tax money is spent on asylum seekers or what? there's no concrete proof either way
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Kemper Boyd posted:So is there any proof that the vast majority of the people cares a lot about the asylum seekers and how their tax money is spent on asylum seekers or what? Well 27% percent of the people didn't like immigrants and that proved that Finland as whole doesn't lust for brown people death, whereas 27% percent of the people liked the immigrants, which proves that Finland really likes brown people and wants more of them here. No, there's no bias in my interpretation. You racist.
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Kemper Boyd posted:So is there any proof that the vast majority of the people cares a lot about the asylum seekers and how their tax money is spent on asylum seekers or what? Why do you ask?
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Puistokemisti posted:Well 27% percent of the people didn't like immigrants and that proved that Finland as whole doesn't lust for brown people death, whereas 27% percent of the people liked the immigrants, which proves that Finland really likes brown people and wants more of them here. You know, when you decide to lie about what somebody said, you could try being at least a bit more subtle about it. This poo poo here is just low-effort.
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Jul 3, 2016 18:12
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Kemper Boyd posted:Raymond had Taloustutkimus do a study on people's attitude towards asylum seekers. 27% have negative attitudes, 27% have positives ones, but over 38% don't have any sort of opinion at all. I answered "ei vaikuta mitenkään" because that is factual. That doesn't mean that i am not worried about the long term development and viability of the asylum phenomena, but that was not the question. Nokia going down the toilet didn't affect me personally that much either.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, when you decide to lie about what somebody said, you could try being at least a bit more subtle about it. This poo poo here is just low-effort. what did he lie about?
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Rotacixe posted:I answered "ei vaikuta mitenkään" because that is factual. That doesn't mean that i am not worried about the long term development and viability of the asylum phenomena, but that was not the question. Nokia going down the toilet didn't affect me personally that much either. The racist end of the spectrum is claiming that we have enormous problems now, which is pretty much not the case at all. Sure, we could do better with integrating immigrants, but considering how little immigration Finland sees, it's not going to be a problem any time soon.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, when you decide to lie about what somebody said, you could try being at least a bit more subtle about it. This poo poo here is just low-effort. Control your autism and consider the possibility that when someone blatantly liioittelee, it might be for a humoric effect.
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Puistokemisti posted:Control your autism and consider the possibility that when someone blatantly liioittelee, it might be for a humoric effect. Accusations of autism when you've been called out is also low-effort. Also nobody ITT is ever funny, so don't even try. Nauta posted:what did he lie about? Are you illiterate or something?
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Nauta posted:yes, please elaborate. I thought about doing that but decided that there's no point since you can't understand it anyway.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The racist end of the spectrum is claiming that we have enormous problems now, which is pretty much not the case at all. Sure, we could do better with integrating immigrants, but considering how little immigration Finland sees, it's not going to be a problem any time soon. Henceforth you can stop caring about the racist spectrum who just oppose immigration "because", as they really are an insignificant portion of the population. edit: also remember that every time someone proclaims "Finland has an enormous/large/significant problem with racism!" since we obviously don't.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Run the numbers on how much we spend on refugee programs and see what that ends up being per capita. Wasn't the UNHCR total budget (170+ countries) for refugees equal to what Sweden and Finland, two tiny countries, spend in a year in asylum seeking, to give some perspective (not that I've ran those numbers over many sources but they seem to hold some water) and such famous hitler-racists like Hjallis Harkimo and a swathe of mainstream politicians and economists (albeit not 100% left wing) have expressed worry the cost can grow up to 1,5 billion a year in Finland alone. But this is just because other countries contribute so little, you might say! Well. Remember all the cries of pain when Aalto Yliopisto funding was cut by 86mil IIRC (over years) to put those numbers in comparison? 1200 jobs possibly lost? This is what it still means to us. Any savings our government makes are for naught, jos piikki on näitä unelmahommia varten ikuisesti auki and it also sends a worrying signal about the people who the government is actually looking after first (joo, que vitsi, että "rikkaat lol!", no, nuoret ruotsin kautta saapuneet arabimiehet eivät ole niitä rikkaita, toki eivät ilmeisesti köyhiäkään). Add in foreign aid and the asylum seekers already living here before last year. So anyway that is how much we spend on refugee programs. And don't try squiggle out of it say by saying this spending is different vs refugee programs because the money wasn't directy given to suikkahattu somewhere instead. quote:And people don't give a poo poo about it, apart from a bunch of loud racists, the poll proves it. quote:[insert more posts claiming this sentinent holds real merit] As you see there is some confusion of what that poll should prove, that the majority does not give drat about how much we spend on asylum seekers, or that an equal portion care/do not care while a person in the middle is a question mark. Perhaps we can conclude that roughly 2/3 do not think asylum seeking is the apocalyptic economic collapse of Finland right now. Yet in Kemper's poll 43% wanted tighter immigration policy, and only 18% wanted looser. Another poll 5 months ago conducted by Taloustutkimus made these findings in regards of opinions on the subject of asylum seeking: 62% of Finns support returning borders controls (supported either a lot, or at least somewhat), 58% thought the comers are looking for a better standard of living mostly (a mere 8% completely disagreed), only 38% thought that we can shrug this off without a fuss (you seem to constantly imply the vast majority of us here don't give a drat, or are you just talking of the economic standpoint? Since even that sounds bizarre considering how expensive it has become). 67% thought that we should not accept asylum seekers at all (25%), or at any rate less (42%) and 80% thought the influx will infuence the safety of women and not in a positive way. This does not at all seem to support your view that the majority of Finns are completely indifferent to this or neutral about it, much less they would support it. You never even claimed the latter though. edit: made shorter post bcuz attention span and gahhh: Rexroom posted:Well, yeah. Those "Close the borders" demonstrations have recently only gathered a handful of people. This despite them saying they represent the voice of the people. Good heavens. When a vastly established city wide festival (like Pride) in Helsinki attracts billions of more people than a protest by a small group of crackpots in Tampere means their opinions or views on anything, therefore, must represent the vast majority if Finns, or be rejected in whole by the majority of Finns, one way or another, is simply silly. Ligur fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Cerebral Bore and the Liggering
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A survey made by pro-refugee company says it's 27% against and 27% for refugees. That's not very good for such one side company
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hillo posted:A survey made by pro-refugee company says it's 27% against and 27% for refugees. Taloustutkimus is pro-refugee nowadays? SnowblindFatal posted:Cerebral Bore and the Liggering This is a hurtful comment.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The racist end of the spectrum is claiming that we have enormous problems now, which is pretty much not the case at all. Sure, we could do better with integrating immigrants, but considering how little immigration Finland sees, it's not going to be a problem any time soon. Kuulostaa pölhöpopulismilta IMO
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Ligur posted:Good heavens. When a vastly established city wide festival (like Pride) in Helsinki attracts billions of more people than a protest by a small group of crackpots in Tampere means their opinions or views on anything, therefore, must represent the vast majority if Finns, or be rejected in whole by the majority of Finns, one way or another, is simply silly.
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I wonder how it got vastly established. Maybe the spirit of anarcho-Muslimo--bicycle-Leninism somehow just made it so?
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That a "Rajat Kiinni!!12" demo would only attract a smattering of weirdos does not prove the majority of Finns are supportive or indifferent to the migration unelma last year (or this year). Kemper claims this to be so, and that "people don't give a poo poo about it, apart from a bunch of loud racistst" (does he mean 27% of the population) because of poll. This is a rather interesting way to interpret the poll. But I thought you found this view to hold merit, because Rajat Kiinni -rallies gather only small numbers of people. Perhaps you meant something else. edit: Jerry Cotton posted:I wonder how it got vastly established. Maybe the spirit of anarcho-Muslimo--bicycle-Leninism somehow just made it so? D'harr hurr  What a stinging riposte, did you make a smug face while posting? A lot of people think it's cool and hip, like Tuska! The metal festival! That Tuska is popular and established does not mean any meaningful number of Finns listen to, say, Mörbid Vomit or Behemoth and buy their records. Ligur fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Ligur posted:D'harr hurr
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Mods please namechange to Jörn Döner.
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Gentleman, please don't fight. Let us forget our differences and how wrong some of you are and focus on the real enemy.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Taloustutkimus is pro-refugee nowadays? Of course it is, because, well just look at the poll results.
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