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spud
Aug 27, 2003

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Anyone mention Bletchley Park yet? Our amazing search says "NOPE!"

Was super interesting with regard to the code breaking aspect and seeing Colossus that helped win the war, but it has loads of old comps to just gently caress about on too.

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Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Buttcoin purse posted:

Just DELTREE /Y C:\WINDOWS :v:

I never got what it was exactly that these tools did, like if I uninstall MS Office and it isn't smart enough to remove everything, how is some other software going to work it out?

I know in the registry you can identify references to programs that are no longer there in file associations and stuff but otherwise it's like how is this program going to know whether C:\Program Files\Spreadsheet Tools is left behind from a program I tried to uninstall or it's my secret porn stash or just a QBasic program I wrote myself?

Many programs simply didn't provide uninstallers and many people would just drag the icon to the recycle bin and call it a day. Those two clauses sound a lot more related than they necessarily were; porgrams with uninstallers would be deleted in the same fashion by many. I feel like there was one that had to act as a monitor and only worked for programs installed after it, but I know many didn't do anything other than what a supplied uninstall.exe would.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

WebDog posted:

Scott Kurtz has tried to adopt McCloud's methods such as forming Blank Label and a few others are part of a loose collation of self-publishers/creators that try to generate a franchise from the internet. Patreon replaces many of the webcomics having an exclusive membership that you'd sign up for, so it's a refinement of an old idea.

Also quite a few webcomics were rejects from newspapers such as User Friendly or Sinfest. Which of course took the greater freedoms of the internet to gain a wider audience.
However as Kurtz has discovered it's very hard to even get into newspapers as he offered PVP for free but on the condition it has no changes made. Only one picked up the offer for a few weeks.

Most early webcomics were geek-office friendly and tended to follow the Dilbert pattern and having a focus on the novelty of being online which soon moved into video game commentary such as Penny Arcade and then everything seemed to explode around 2002 with a big manga influence.

The only things webcomics have really accomplished is utterly devaluing the comic market by enabling every single person on earth to make a poorly drawn nerd humor geek video game drama\comedy comic strip. Comics were once interesting and kids would dream about having their cartoons IN THE NEWSPAPER! WITH AN AUDIENCE OF MILLIONS! But now, newspaper comics are dead and webcomics are a hyper-saturated wasteland unfunnier than newspaper funnies ever were. So congratulations McCloud.....you killed an art form.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
i miss buying computer software in the box and having a case for the CD(s) and a real manual that i could hold and thumb through while looking at the computer. i miss going to compUSA and being able to try out peripherals like keyboards and mice before buying them. :smith:

BlankIsBeautiful
Apr 4, 2008

Feeling a little inadequate?

sinking belle posted:

re: early days of webcomics, I read Ozy and Millie dedicatedly for maybe three years before I found out what a furry was. I remember sending the guy behind it a long rambling email saying he deserved to be in newspapers when I was 12.

She is now, with "Phoebe and Her Unicorn".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Simpson

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

BlankIsBeautiful posted:

She is now, with "Phoebe and Her Unicorn".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Simpson

She also drew a beastiality comic strip.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Got these magazine-order shareware collections in perfect condition at a thrift store. Check out the original price on the top one - $80!



The menu screen plays a little PC speaker fanfare when you load it up.

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

8 track betamax posted:

The only things webcomics have really accomplished is utterly devaluing the comic market by enabling every single person on earth to make a poorly drawn nerd humor geek video game drama\comedy comic strip. Comics were once interesting and kids would dream about having their cartoons IN THE NEWSPAPER! WITH AN AUDIENCE OF MILLIONS! But now, newspaper comics are dead and webcomics are a hyper-saturated wasteland unfunnier than newspaper funnies ever were. So congratulations McCloud.....you killed an art form.

Counterpoint: Garfield started in 1978. Love Is... started in 1970. Zippy the Pinhead has never been published by the local newspaper anywhere I've lived. A proliferation of total poo poo taking up space for the good has always been a problem with short-form media.

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001


Is this the webcomics thread now

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Kaizoku posted:

Counterpoint: Garfield started in 1978. Love Is... started in 1970. Zippy the Pinhead has never been published by the local newspaper anywhere I've lived. A proliferation of total poo poo taking up space for the good has always been a problem with short-form media.

There was an interesting article not too long ago about this. Basically since 1990 the number of new established cartoonists in a newspaper is somewhere under 3. I know the Pearls before Swine guy is one, but even he started 15 years ago.

I don't doubt that C&H would still be going today if Watterson had allowed it.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

error1 posted:


Is this the webcomics thread now

no

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


error1 posted:


Is this the webcomics thread now

what the gently caress is this dumb poo poo

Gomi Day
Nov 15, 2007

Trust me, Bill. Large spectacles lend distinction to any countenance, as I have reason to know.
Plaster Town Cop

garfield hentai posted:

This classic example of "lol tech in movies" is in fact an accurate representation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn

It was even made by SGI who made the workstations Jurassic Park and a bunch of other movies used

is there any program out there like this for windows 7 / 10 ? 'cos silly as this is, it's also rad as hell and would be fun poking around my rididulously huge media archives with this.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Gomi Day posted:

is there any program out there like this for windows 7 / 10 ? 'cos silly as this is, it's also rad as hell and would be fun poking around my rididulously huge media archives with this.
There was a Linux clone. I never got it to work though.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
Favourite computer relic story- I started an IT course at college in 2000. At this point in digital history, writable CDs were relatively new and expensive, as were zip discs. USB dongles didn't exist. You couldn't even email work to yourself back then, because web-based email clients didn't exist, and in any case upload speeds were too slow and attachment limits too miniscule. This made homework a loving nightmare, as 3.5 inch floppies were really the only option. Well sort of.

College had MS Office. My parents' computer had some loving Lotus piece of poo poo office suite. This was before Microsoft opened up the .doc specification, so the only application that could save in .doc format was MS Word. The only cross-compatible format was .rtf, which is totally uncompressed. Put an image in there, and your file size balloons. One particular screen shot heavy assignment ended up being 12MB. Literally the only way I could get it into college, in the digital loving stone age, was to use an application called Chainsaw to chop the file up into 1.4MB chunks and save it across 9 floppy discs. And of course if even one of those discs failed (which floppies did all the loving time), the whole file was gone. I ended up late submitting at least one assignment, because one of the five floppy discs it was on failed.

I remember thinking at the time that removable media was way behind everything else, and poo poo needed to change. A few years later USB dongles appeared, and I never touched another bloody floppy disc since. These days I just whack everything on Google drive and be done with it.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Those were terrible times. One time I was making a presentation for some class and I noticed that every time I saved, powerpoint made the file larger. At the end I had to save it as a new file in order to make it small enough to fit on a floppy. I don't know what it was adding because I wouldn't make any changes but it would keep getting bigger.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

EvilGenius posted:

One particular screen shot heavy assignment ended up being 12MB. Literally the only way I could get it into college, in the digital loving stone age, was to use an application called Chainsaw to chop the file up into 1.4MB chunks and save it across 9 floppy discs. And of course if even one of those discs failed (which floppies did all the loving time), the whole file was gone. I ended up late submitting at least one assignment, because one of the five floppy discs it was on failed.


WinZip and WinRAR have always been able to do this.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Kaizoku posted:

Counterpoint: Garfield started in 1978. Love Is... started in 1970. Zippy the Pinhead has never been published by the local newspaper anywhere I've lived. A proliferation of total poo poo taking up space for the good has always been a problem with short-form media.

I have to admit, I flipped through a couple of college campus newspapers for a while and their local comics really sucked. I don't know why a school that supposedly has a large art school, students getting writing degrees, etc. has no one that can churn out an actual good strip.

I know you're all busy with school work and poo poo, but if you can't do better then just put Garfield or the Dinette Set in.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
1970 is pretty new. Beetle Bailey's been going since 1950.

e: 1937 for Prince Valiant.

e2: Can't wait for 2018 to celebrate 100 years of Gasoline Alley not being funny.

Germstore has a new favorite as of 18:59 on Jul 3, 2016

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010





I tried to load up the forums but they cause IE 5.5 to freeze up. :saddowns:

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Jehde posted:





I tried to load up the forums but they cause IE 5.5 to freeze up. :saddowns:

Firefox 1.X works with Windows 95 IIRC

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Welcome to... The Bubble Generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEub5U9UeX8

One of those weird dead-end technologies that became obsolete just as it started getting commercialised. A couple of Konami arcade games like the original Gradius toyed with using Bubble Memory cartridges instead of the traditional ROM boards, but stopped due to their low speed, high price and extreme sensitivity to electromagnetic fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEueYGq2mT4

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

EugeneJ posted:

Firefox 1.X works with Windows 95 IIRC

Yeah it does please install !

SirStiansen
Mar 6, 2013

0toShifty posted:



We had this old bell phone just like this one:


The lightning never killed it. My mom still uses it because of that. It sucks because it has no pound or star keys - so when you're working with voicemail or whatever - you can't always use it.

Back in the days where you can hang up the phone with audible anger and contempt.. Not the same effect viciously pressing the smartphone icon today..

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!

spud posted:

Anyone mention Bletchley Park yet? Our amazing search says "NOPE!"

Was super interesting with regard to the code breaking aspect and seeing Colossus that helped win the war, but it has loads of old comps to just gently caress about on too.

I had the pleasure of visiting last summer and highly recommend it to anyone with a day to spare and the means to get there. The volunteers at both sites were super-enthusiastic and put on great layman-accessible demonstrations of both the bombe and colossus.

Computerphile has a wonderful set of videos about the site:
NMOC and Colossus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HH-asvLAj4

Enigma pt1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2NWPG2gB_A
Enigma p2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_7Jc1mS9k

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
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HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."

0toShifty posted:

We had this old bell phone just like this one:


From Siemens, here in germany, you'd get them from the state-owned mail service who also did everything telecommunications-related


Dialing on these was very satisfying. I don't think the impulse dialing these did would still work, even if I still had an analog land line.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Unless something changed recently, impulse dialing still works in the US. You can actually dial a number using the switch by pushing it a certain amount of times for the first digit, waiting a second and then punching in the next number. 0 is 10 pulses.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
My uncle had a pulse dialling line well into the nineties, if not the 2000's. I think you can still get them now in Canada, or it was discontinued recently. I saw a landline phone with the switch not too long ago.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Police Automaton posted:

From Siemens, here in germany, you'd get them from the state-owned mail service who also did everything telecommunications-related


Dialing on these was very satisfying. I don't think the impulse dialing these did would still work, even if I still had an analog land line.

I'm the fire that isn't a not.

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
"It's a pretty good post."
HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."
Well I googled it and it still works over here! Don't know why I just assumed it wouldn't. There are apparently even adapters in cases where it doesn't work. Didn't think people would feel so strongly about keeping these phones, although they were indestructible.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
In the US at least, rural areas do not upgrade very fast if ever. There are plenty of people who are still renting a rotary phone from their phone company.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Cojawfee posted:

In the US at least, rural areas do not upgrade very fast if ever. There are plenty of people who are still renting a rotary phone from their phone company.



My parents still have one of these wall-mounted rotary kitchen phones. I actually had to figure out a way to splice a DSL filter in there for them when they finally got broadband.

They certainly aren't renting it from the phone company anymore, though. It's been theirs since the breakup of AT&T, way back when.

Back in the dialup days, I had a little sign I would hang over that phone saying "modem in use, please don't pick up!" :3:

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

The Kins posted:

Welcome to... The Bubble Generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEub5U9UeX8

One of those weird dead-end technologies that became obsolete just as it started getting commercialised. A couple of Konami arcade games like the original Gradius toyed with using Bubble Memory cartridges instead of the traditional ROM boards, but stopped due to their low speed, high price and extreme sensitivity to electromagnetic fields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEueYGq2mT4

And here we are with flash memory today. Finding a working TwinBee or Gradius Bubble System will cost you a poo poo load of money. Those games were put on ROM arcade boards when they were given their international releases. The closest that you'll ever get to the real experience now is the Arcade Archives releases of those games on PS4, but anthologies that include those games will work just fine too.

Cojawfee posted:

In the US at least, rural areas do not upgrade very fast if ever. There are plenty of people who are still renting a rotary phone from their phone company.

I don't know about renting phones, but a friend that lives on a ranch in central Wyoming has to use satellite Internet because dial-up is unbearable and the only other option. They can't stream with it very well, so she and her husband just stick with DVD and blue-ray and making a visit to Gamestop every once in a while when they're in town. They have absolutely no cellular service where they live and still use a land line. Meanwhile, service in towns of only a few hundred in Wyoming is comparable to anywhere else with decent connectivity now.

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

Love heals all wounds. We hope you continually carry love in your heart. Today and always, may loving memories bring you peace, comfort, and strength. We sympathize with the family of (Name). We shall never forget you in our prayers and thoughts. I am at a loss for words during this sorrowful time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9SM9lG47Ew&t=465s

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
"It's a pretty good post."
HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."

I did just skip around the video a bit and I don't know if it was mentioned but east germany (that was when the wall was still up) had it's own brand of computers, the robotron KC series, complete with unlicensed, reverse-engineered Z80 CPU clone and everything. There was a radio computer show over there where a part of the program was that they'd "play" programs people at home could record. They didn't only have it there though, but that was the first time I heard about this.

The dutch also had something similar and their radio program also came up with a language called BASICODE which was basically an attempt to bridge the gap between different home computers and create a unified, platform independent BASIC that could take advantage of audio and graphics capabilities of whatever machine it was run on and also a format which would allow for sharing of data between these often vastly different machines via cassette and interpreter program. The initial idea and why a radio program came up with this was that they'd only have to transmit one program, not several different ones. (While many computers of that time came with BASIC, their BASIC implementations were often completely different&incompatible to each other, the computers usually also had vastly different capabilities and functionality, so porting programs often was akin to just completely writing the program from the ground up new) It was advertised as "Esperanto for Computers" and was about as successful for serious non-homebrew software, even though it kept being worked on and improved until the rise of 16 (and a little later 32) bit machines made all these computers obsolete. A big downside was of course that this language could only implement the most basic features to not exclude any machine, which set the bar very low as you can imagine.

An advantage of BASICODE also was that it's general format made the contents more interference-proof for things like radio transmission and the aforementioned east german program also transmitted in BASICODE which also was generally popular over there, you could even get a vinyl record with BASICODE programs. I read recently that radio transmissions in BASICODE continued after the reunification, but I didn't know anything about that, I'm pretty sure at that time I already upgraded from my Amiga and had an 486.

RestingB1tchFace
Jul 4, 2016

Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one....but mines the best!!!

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
I have had the temptation of buying an old or prop phone and one of these BT headsets for around the house.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


WebDog posted:

I have had the temptation of buying an old or prop phone and one of these BT headsets for around the house.

That Razer belongs in this thread.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
razr v3 was a loving solid phone

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Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
This guys YouTube channel has some great virus examples going all the way back to MSDOS.

http://youtu.be/i9qcv4OAx74

CIH (Chernobyl) trashing a computers BIOS:
http://youtu.be/RrnWFAx5vJg

Three-Phase has a new favorite as of 05:49 on Jul 4, 2016

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