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kikkelivelho posted:So if the argument is that you shouldn't let people vote for important decision in referendums, why would you let them vote people into the government? If they don't understand issues like the brexit why would they understand poo poo like the national budget? There's also no guarantee that the politicians who get into power are smarter than the people who voted for them (see everyone involved with the brexit). The argument against referendums is an argument against democracy itself. It's an argument against direct democracy, yes. Direct Democracy is not good on a national scale, it's for towns where people are more likely to have at least a rough idea of what's happening because that's where they live, and they will more likely think about the direct effect it will have on their daily lives as opposed to some abstract position based on the fact that you hate the idea of brown people. The majority of leave voters were from podunk towns that maybe saw a Muslim once when they were on a field trip.
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cock hero flux posted:incorrect why are you a silly ideologue who cares about abstract bullshit more than the consequences
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Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur posted:It's an argument against direct democracy, yes. Direct Democracy is not good on a national scale, it's for towns where people are more likely to have at least a rough idea of what's happening because that's where they live, and they will more likely think about the direct effect it will have on their daily lives as opposed to some abstract position based on the fact that you hate the idea of brown people. The majority of leave voters were from podunk towns that maybe saw a Muslim once when they were on a field trip. this is a good opinion
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Jul 3, 2016 21:09
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blowfish posted:why are you a silly ideologue who cares about abstract bullshit more than the consequences well for one thing the concept of leaving the EU destroying the country is silly because the EU is an increasingly nightmarish bureaucratic gently caress up and while leaving it is likely to have very negative short-term ramifications for britain the EU is on track to either further solidify itself as an essentially non-democratic superstate or disintegrate because everyone hates it so voting to leave is less like drowning yourself and more like trading the Titanic for a lovely lifeboat for another thing the concept of reversing a democratically made decision to protect the people from themselves is a fantastic way to set a precedent for the government to just do whatever the gently caress it wants without any accountability
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blowfish posted:why are you a silly ideologue who cares about abstract bullshit more than the consequences Because life has no meaning without abstract bullshit.
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cock hero flux posted:well for one thing the concept of leaving the EU destroying the country is silly because the EU is an increasingly nightmarish bureaucratic gently caress up and while leaving it is likely to have very negative short-term ramifications for britain the EU is on track to either further solidify itself as an essentially non-democratic superstate or disintegrate because everyone hates it so voting to leave is less like drowning yourself and more like trading the Titanic for a lovely lifeboat this is a good opinion
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Jul 3, 2016 21:16
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cock hero flux posted:well for one thing the concept of leaving the EU destroying the country is silly because the EU is an increasingly nightmarish bureaucratic gently caress up and while leaving it is likely to have very negative short-term ramifications for britain the EU is on track to either further solidify itself as an essentially non-democratic superstate or disintegrate because everyone hates it so voting to leave is less like drowning yourself and more like trading the Titanic for a lovely lifeboat actually the eu is cool and good and has done more to improve europe than  style freedumb ever could
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Jul 3, 2016 21:19
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blowfish posted:actually the eu is cool and good and has done more to improve europe than the eu's way of improving europe has been to dump money into poor regions and then use that money as leverage to gain control over them, which has already caused rioting and and the resurgence of fascism in some places
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Jul 3, 2016 21:28
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cock hero flux posted:the eu's way of improving europe has been to dump money into poor regions and then use that money as leverage to gain control over them, which has already caused rioting and and the resurgence of fascism in some places no thats just retard reaganomics we imported from merica
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This thread has been an amazing ride and somehow now I have more sympathy and respect for a racist unemployed plumber living in a dying mining town voting in anger for something he doesn't really understand then literally anyone trying to explain why the poor are too stupid to vote. You guys have done what years of having to listen to idiots at shooting ranges never could. The left really is it's own worst enemy.
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Like poo poo, the left couldn't even trick dumb poor people into doing their bidding? You even give them free healthcare and housing and poo poo and they still hate you. What the gently caress.
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blowfish posted:no thats just retard reaganomics we imported from merica you can't separate them, they are the same
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RobattoJesus posted:100% pigs. Hmm, okay we can make this work. You'll have to run on an anti-Continental/pro-Full English ticket if you hope to win. Are you prepared to eat a grotesque amount of baked beans?
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bongwizzard posted:This thread has been an amazing ride and somehow now I have more sympathy and respect for a racist unemployed plumber living in a dying mining town voting in anger for something he doesn't really understand then literally anyone trying to explain why the poor are too stupid to vote. You guys have done what years of having to listen to idiots at shooting ranges never could. The left really is it's own worst enemy. it's ok, you're one of the stupid people
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Jul 3, 2016 21:53
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and the rich are also too stupid to vote for anything except tax cuts, but there aren't that many rich people
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Jul 3, 2016 21:55
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haha everyone who doesn't agree with me is so stupid *loses vote*
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Jul 3, 2016 21:56
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blowfish posted:I know this must be a shock to you, but saving the people from drowning should take precedence over them having voted to drown. multiple nations in the EU are passing laws allowing assisted suicide (with the assistance of an expert and with full informed consent of the consequences)
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Jul 3, 2016 21:58
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cool and good posted:you can't separate them, they are the same yes you can, the neoliberal retard leaders are still running into roadblocks from when france and britain were leftist and laid down some decent ground rules so we just need to strip away the last 15 years of crap
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Brannock posted:multiple nations in the EU are passing laws allowing assisted suicide (with the assistance of an expert and with full informed consent of the consequences) the british were not informed and since not 100% of voters voted leave with 100% turnout, they are dragging everyone else down with them suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Jul 3, 2016 21:58
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haha wow look at these idiots stuck in the past, when are they gonna get with the program? *continues losing*
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Jul 3, 2016 21:59
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blowfish posted:no thats just retard reaganomics we imported from merica
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Y-Hat posted:britain elected thatcher first, they deserve equal blame for this poo poo yes, thatcher bad
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bongwizzard posted:Like poo poo, the left couldn't even trick dumb poor people into doing their bidding? You even give them free healthcare and housing and poo poo and they still hate you. What the gently caress. "As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents." - George Orwell
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Jul 3, 2016 22:02
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blowfish posted:the british were not informed
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Also if anyone had been prewarned that brexit would cause the death of austerity and the total collapse of both Labour and the Conservatives (esp. BoJo and Gove), it probably would've got more than 52% of the vote.
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jBrereton posted:It's literally impossible to be informed about something with consequences that are a) down mainly to a handful of individual people and robots deciding whether to be flighty or not and b) which hasn't been done yet, hope that helps. I think the nearest analogy is going on strike. You go on strike because you feel the current conditions are untenable and you and your co-workers (or in this case countrymen) deserve better. It may well be that things go to poo poo, but at least you tried. And continuing the analogy of a strike, when 48% of your co-workers voted not to go on strike and are now intent on sucking up to your former paymasters and sucking their dick for them to take them back, well, striking is probably a bad idea.
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jBrereton posted:Also if anyone had been prewarned that brexit would cause the death of austerity and the total collapse of both Labour and the Conservatives (esp. BoJo and Gove), it probably would've got more than 52% of the vote. This is entirely true if my facebook feed is anything to go by.
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jBrereton posted:Also if anyone had been prewarned that brexit would cause the death of austerity and the total collapse of both Labour and the Conservatives (esp. BoJo and Gove), it probably would've got more than 52% of the vote.
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RobattoJesus posted:I think the nearest analogy is going on strike. You go on strike because you feel the current conditions are untenable and you and your co-workers (or in this case countrymen) deserve better. It may well be that things go to poo poo, but at least you tried. but when you go on strike you get to negotiate better conditions for your job or can later decide it was a bad idea and just go back to what you did before if you treat the brexit like that you get retard irreversible policy
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Jul 3, 2016 22:15
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cool and good posted:how closely did you follow the referendum before it happened? yeah im sure someone somewhere was saying that before the vote but the fact is there weren't mass protests about the methodology in front of the parliament building either motherfucker
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jBrereton posted:It's literally impossible to be informed about something with consequences that are a) down mainly to a handful of individual people and robots deciding whether to be flighty or not and b) which hasn't been done yet, hope that helps. a lot of voters didn't even know what the eu was the entire referendum was "my life sucks, stick it to The Man, [ ]yes / [ ]no", which shouldn't be tied to a likely disastrous long term decision
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blowfish posted:but when you go on strike you get to negotiate better conditions for your job or can later decide it was a bad idea and just go back to what you did before Ok a better analogy would be quitting your job to start your own business, taking a massive poo poo on your bosses desk and then the next day deciding that starting a business sounds like a lot of work and going back to your boss and asking him if you can have your old job back with a huge pay cut and no benefits.
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RobattoJesus posted:Ok a better analogy would be quitting your job to start your own business, taking a massive poo poo on your bosses desk and then the next day deciding that starting a business sounds like a lot of work and going back to your boss and asking him if you can have your old job back with a huge pay cut and no benefits. yes in that case i will call you an idiot who should've first checked whether starting your own business is actually a thing you can and want to do except now twenty other employees also get fired because you acted like a dumb poo poo
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blowfish posted:yes in that case i will call you an idiot who should've first checked whether starting your own business is actually a thing you can and want to do Well we're currently at the intersection where we've just pulled our pants up after doing the poo poo on the bosses desk. I'm saying, well that's done, now the only thing that matters is coming together as a country and trying our hardest to make something better You're saying, let's get a cloth and hope he doesn't smell this tomorrow.
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RobattoJesus posted:You're saying, let's get a cloth and hope he doesn't smell this tomorrow. maybe bribe the dry cleaner to do it really well, but basically because you don't want to get fired and it's reasonable to suck it up and get over you're self
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Jul 3, 2016 22:25
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Y-Hat posted:i have no faith that brexit will do that. shittiness always finds a way to preserve itself Now I'm guessing part of that is because they got a post-Mossack Fonseca tax-dodging shithead roundup windfall this year while HMRC was emboldened for a week and a half, but another part of it is that the public is obviously sick of what's happening in terms of income inequality and the effect that local government cuts have had on employment in deprived areas.
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Jul 3, 2016 22:26
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Analogies suck, this boss desk making GBS threads thing you have going on here, while entertaining, will only lead to confusion and madness In other words, carry on
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blowfish posted:maybe bribe the dry cleaner to do it really well, but basically Well I'm some kind of death or glory idiot, and apparently so are 52% of brits. *mushes poo poo into bosses desk and then pisses in the filing cabinet* Dry clean that.
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blowfish posted:a lot of voters didn't even know what the eu was quote:the entire referendum was "my life sucks, stick it to The Man, [ ]yes / [ ]no", which shouldn't be tied to a likely disastrous long term decision I think a lot of people don't consider it a disaster at all that the current government and most of the leading lights of the Tory party have been completely demolished.
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