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Doorknob Slobber: Sep 10, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

I can't wait until I can turn myself into a GMO and then get a tattoo on me that labels me as such.

For the record I think labeling is good for all products. Consumers deserve to know how what they are buying is produced. "Produced by a 5 year old at 15 cents a day in some other country you haven't heard of" would be a great label for me shoes.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 01:37

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punk rebel ecks posted:

Do anti-GMO people have an even remote leg to stand on? Is there any evidence against using GMOs? Does there "anti-tobacco" arguments hold any water?

The corporate practices of a lot of the GMO companies are lovely as heck; it's possible to be pro-GMO while still hating Monsanto.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 01:45

Classic Comrade: Dec 24, 2012; (hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)

yeah i feel as tho GMOs in and of themselves are totally fine, it's how corporate interests might utilize them [or how they're currently utilizing them, if that's the case] that could be Bad, and where all of the trouble really lies

imv

atm tho i really couldn't care less about the gmo crap

# ? Jul 2, 2016 01:48

SirJohnnyMcDonald: Oct 24, 2010; by exmarx

Humanity - Turning good ideas into greedy poo poo every waking moment.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 01:49

Dalael: Oct 14, 2014; Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

Palicgofueniczekt posted:

Meanwhile 90% of the GMO labeled food sits unsold. Farmers then revert to non-GMO because that is what the masses are buying. Farm water use spikes. Additional pesticide and fertilizer usage increases contamination of runoff water. Yield per land area goes down, so more forest is turned into farm land, and more fuel is required to operate farm equipment on the larger land. Probably accelerating global warming and adding to air pollution. But hey, at least you didn't eat that Frankenstein quinoa or some poo poo.

Consider that people have known that smoking is bad for them for 30+ years and there;s still ton of people smoking even if its on a decline.
Same with a bunch of other products. Most people don't give a poo poo what they shove down their gullet. But those that do, should have a right to know what they ingest. I honestly don't give a poo poo about corporate profit so it doesn't bother me one bit if they end up making less money because of it.

Honestly, its such a non issue and I find it ridiculous that so many people defend the industry like their lives depended on it.

punk rebel ecks posted:

Do anti-GMO people have an even remote leg to stand on? Is there any evidence against using GMOs? Does there "anti-tobacco" arguments hold any water?

As far as I am aware? No. There is little to no evidence that GMO's are unsafe. The only evidence is anecdotal and is pretty much the same as "vaccines are unsafe because this person i know got sick from it". Its completely ridiculous and I personally don't give a poo poo what kills me in the end. However I support the right of people to know what they're eating. The cost to corporations may be 10's of millions per year if not more, but I don't give a poo poo since they make billions and control the world's supply already.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 04:13

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Dalael posted:

Consider that people have known that smoking is bad for them for 30+ years and there;s still ton of people smoking even if its on a decline.
Same with a bunch of other products. Most people don't give a poo poo what they shove down their gullet. But those that do, should have a right to know what they ingest. I honestly don't give a poo poo about corporate profit so it doesn't bother me one bit if they end up making less money because of it.

Honestly, its such a non issue and I find it ridiculous that so many people defend the industry like their lives depended on it.

I think the instructive example here is that we required labels for food that had been sterilized with radiation (which was safe, cheap, and effective) and then the public refused to buy the food that had the scary R word.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 04:23

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Classic Comrade posted:

yeah i feel as tho GMOs in and of themselves are totally fine, it's how corporate interests might utilize them [or how they're currently utilizing them, if that's the case] that could be Bad, and where all of the trouble really lies

imv

atm tho i really couldn't care less about the gmo crap

How could using GMOs be bad?

# ? Jul 2, 2016 06:08

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

punk rebel ecks posted:

How could using GMOs be bad?

you ever play Plants vs Zombies?

# ? Jul 2, 2016 06:14

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

punk rebel ecks posted:

How could using GMOs be bad?

Utilize in a broader sense.

Like patent trolls or children (legislation passed because "think of the children", etc.).

At least that was my take.

Zoran posted:

I think the instructive example here is that we required labels for food that had been sterilized with radiation (which was safe, cheap, and effective) and then the public refused to buy the food that had the scary R word.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 06:15

Classic Comrade: Dec 24, 2012; (hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)

Palicgofueniczekt posted:

Utilize in a broader sense.

Like patent trolls or children (legislation passed because "think of the children", etc.).

At least that was my take.

ya that's what i was talking about

# ? Jul 2, 2016 06:24

a primate: Jun 2, 2010

I was under the impression that GMOs are bad because they contribute to a monoculture and thus decrease genetic diversity. This is apparently bad because a virus could wipe out an entire crop in several areas if it spreads, since all Monsanto corn (for example) would have the same genetic weakness.

The whole "GMOs give you cancer" is obvious hocus pocus though.

# ? Jul 2, 2016 14:35

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

That isn't an issue limited to GMO. Banana monoculture and a blight long ago has us with a different today.

Yeah, we need smarter farming, too.

E: potato famine, too

Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 15:12 on Jul 2, 2016

# ? Jul 2, 2016 14:51

FreakerByTheSpeaker: Dec 3, 2006; You got your good things
And I've got mine

Consider the AquaAdvantage Salmon: the first GMO animal approved for human consumption. It grows year-round instead of just in the spring and summer, which means that it achieves full size in 16-18 months instead of 3-5 years.

It also eats a lot more. A LOT more.

Right now, this salmon is grown in enclosed farms. You know what else eats enormous amounts of food and was only grown in enclosed farms? Asian carp. The reason I say was is because a flood released them into the public water streams, and is currently threatening the great lakes as massive efforts are underway to prevent them from entering and completely loving poo poo Up for the rest of the lakes, and everything that depends on them.

This is why you should be against GMOs. Health scares aren't only unfounded (as far as research has provided) but also a stupid and wrong loving reason to be against a thing that is actually very bad.

Also, if you don't have a problem with enormous, multi-national corporations owning the patent on the world's food supply, idk what to tell you.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 00:33

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

That sounds like a reason to be against Omnivorous Supersalmon, and the domination of massive multinational corporations, not a general technique that is approximately as old as agriculture.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 00:42

ur in my world now: Jun 5, 2006; ^{Same as it ever was}
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Genetic modification goes beyond food. Unless you're willing to tell everyone with type I diabetes, hemophilia, etc. to gently caress off, GENETIC MODIFICATION = BAD is a dumb stance to take.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 00:46

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 00:54

Freemason Rush Week: Apr 22, 2006

docbeard posted:

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

Sounds good to me!

# ? Jul 4, 2016 01:13

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:

Consider the AquaAdvantage Salmon: the first GMO animal approved for human consumption. It grows year-round instead of just in the spring and summer, which means that it achieves full size in 16-18 months instead of 3-5 years.

It also eats a lot more. A LOT more.

Right now, this salmon is grown in enclosed farms. You know what else eats enormous amounts of food and was only grown in enclosed farms? Asian carp. The reason I say was is because a flood released them into the public water streams, and is currently threatening the great lakes as massive efforts are underway to prevent them from entering and completely loving poo poo Up for the rest of the lakes, and everything that depends on them.

This is why you should be against GMOs. Health scares aren't only unfounded (as far as research has provided) but also a stupid and wrong loving reason to be against a thing that is actually very bad.

Also, if you don't have a problem with enormous, multi-national corporations owning the patent on the world's food supply, idk what to tell you.

This is the only legitimate complaint against GMOs I've heard so far.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 01:31

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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:

Consider the AquaAdvantage Salmon: the first GMO animal approved for human consumption. It grows year-round instead of just in the spring and summer, which means that it achieves full size in 16-18 months instead of 3-5 years.

It also eats a lot more. A LOT more.

Right now, this salmon is grown in enclosed farms. You know what else eats enormous amounts of food and was only grown in enclosed farms? Asian carp. The reason I say was is because a flood released them into the public water streams, and is currently threatening the great lakes as massive efforts are underway to prevent them from entering and completely loving poo poo Up for the rest of the lakes, and everything that depends on them.

This is why you should be against GMOs. Health scares aren't only unfounded (as far as research has provided) but also a stupid and wrong loving reason to be against a thing that is actually very bad.

Also, if you don't have a problem with enormous, multi-national corporations owning the patent on the world's food supply, idk what to tell you.

Gene patents in the US and Europe don't hold up in court.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 02:01

Dalael: Oct 14, 2014; Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

docbeard posted:

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

This should also be a thing.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 02:01

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

It must work if the government and big pharma have mandated labels trying to suppress these snake oils.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 02:36

EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

The fact that GMO labeling will become a thing while every vitamin sold in America remains unregulated by the FDA is pretty :laugh:

# ? Jul 4, 2016 03:47

GonadTheBallbarian: Jul 23, 2007

EugeneJ posted:

The fact that GMO labeling will become a thing while every vitamin sold in America remains unregulated by the FDA is pretty

# ? Jul 4, 2016 04:14

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

docbeard posted:

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

I am down with this. Crack down on bullshit alt med and you can have your dumbass GMO labels.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 04:28

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

EugeneJ posted:

The fact that GMO labeling will become a thing while every vitamin sold in America remains unregulated by the FDA is pretty

Or the virtual monopoly of multiple food sectors.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 05:35

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punk rebel ecks posted:

Or the virtual monopoly of multiple food sectors.

Labelling is dumb, but I'll get behind it if it makes the pro-label people pay some loving attention to the important poo poo like this and supplements.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 05:39

Freemason Rush Week: Apr 22, 2006

I'm for it more because it sets a precedent than anything.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 06:11

Classic Comrade: Dec 24, 2012; (hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)

Breadallelogram posted:

I am down with this. Crack down on bullshit alt med and you can have your dumbass GMO labels.

see now this is a good compromise imv

# ? Jul 4, 2016 06:17

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

no because alt med weirdos deserve to be bankrupt but some rando small farmer probably doesn't.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 06:42

ThndrShk2k: Nov 3, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo; Bread Liar

docbeard posted:

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

Compromise:

For entertainment purposes only

# ? Jul 4, 2016 06:53

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

Tatum Girlparts posted:

no because alt med weirdos deserve to be bankrupt

Compassionate human being here itt.

just kidding

# ? Jul 4, 2016 07:21

FreakerByTheSpeaker: Dec 3, 2006; You got your good things
And I've got mine

docbeard posted:

I'll tell you what. You can have GMO labeling if we also get mandated warning messages on homeopathic substances that say in 24-point text THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WATER IT WILL NOT CURE YOU AT ALL.

I'm for this.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 09:22

FreakerByTheSpeaker: Dec 3, 2006; You got your good things
And I've got mine

EugeneJ posted:

The fact that GMO labeling will become a thing while every vitamin sold in America remains unregulated by the FDA is pretty

I'm also for vitamins and all matter of snake oils to be regulated and tested by the FDA.

I'm not sure why we can't have both.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 09:23

FreakerByTheSpeaker: Dec 3, 2006; You got your good things
And I've got mine

Like seriously, why do people think I want both GMO labeling and also be against selective breeding/for homeopathy?

Is this sort of how Democrats hate protesters for blocking traffic and not playing by the democratic process?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 09:27

I am not a book: Mar 9, 2013

My main concern with GMOs was the genetic patents, are those like 100% absolutely gone now?
My other issues are the potential for horizontal gene transfer to give us Roundup Ready� dandelions or something like that, and the potential side effects of introducing modified life into an ecosystem.
Would I eat GMO food myself? Hell yeah. Irradiate that poo poo for longer shelf life too, doesn't bother me at all.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 17:24