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Gingerbread House Music
Dec 1, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Krieg is good and gently caress anyone who says otherwise.

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nftyw
Dec 27, 2006

It is a game... where you will put your life on the line.
Lipstick Apathy
How long did it take before the common pleb discovered the Tec-9 even though it kept getting pages and pages of buffs

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

nftyw posted:

How long did it take before the common pleb discovered the Tec-9 even though it kept getting pages and pages of buffs
As soon as the CZ was nerfed.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Jeza posted:

He seems confused how a game with millions of players hasn't caught onto this hidden gem, and he's right to be confused, because there's really no way that could happen. It's just pretty much everybody else has played around with it and eventually rejected it.

No opinion on the SG other than "lol codgun" but you're absolutely wrong here. People sleep on powerful tools all the time. Popular competitive games have, and will continue to change overnight without any balance changes because one or two people demonstrated how powerful a tool everyone was ignoring really is. There's very few "solved" competitive games and they're all a decade+ old.

Xenaero
Sep 26, 2006


Slippery Tilde
It appears to me the SG's is less influenced by movement compared to the AK. I have not seen hard statistics on this.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Katana Gomai posted:

The biggest risk of the SG is dropping it to the CTs and I'm willing to bet that's at least part of the reason why pros don't buy it.

:psyduck:

Pomp posted:

No opinion on the SG other than "lol codgun" but you're absolutely wrong here. People sleep on powerful tools all the time. Popular competitive games have, and will continue to change overnight without any balance changes because one or two people demonstrated how powerful a tool everyone was ignoring really is. There's very few "solved" competitive games and they're all a decade+ old.

Yeah, and I'm saying 3 years is ample time to do that in CS. There's only 3 Terrorist rifles. It's not some complex system where there can be lots of unknown combinations lying undiscovered or kept secret. Every player can pick it up and use it for themselves at any time. I'd also say that any overnight metagame shifts in any competitive game almost always follow a balance patch, and basically every competitive game ever has balance patches. It takes something like a week for people to identify most of the best decks in Hearthstone after new cards are released, and then maybe one or two more crop up in the following weeks, and then it remains roughly stable until the next expansion. I'd say most games approach close enough to solved in a month or two and a large enough playerbase.

I'm struggling to think of examples where a game suddenly changed overnight due to an undiscovered powerful tool, and it had been viable in the game for at least one year already. And I can't think of any in games with playerbases as large as CS:GO.

Rite Of Massage
Aug 16, 2005

Jeza posted:

I'm struggling to think of examples where a game suddenly changed overnight due to an undiscovered powerful tool, and it had been viable in the game for at least one year already. And I can't think of any in games with playerbases as large as CS:GO.

i feel like the rise of jumpscoutting happened overnight. it definitely changed how i play when i found out.

also honorable mention to the revolvo :rip:

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




stewie2k just started streaming and I was saying to myself "streaming right before a maj..oh..."

way to disappoint me c9.

Luna Was Here
Mar 21, 2013

Lipstick Apathy
C9 finding new ways to disappoint fans

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
After my wonderful 21hr cooldown to 'determine my skill' I'm getting put up against people with gold ranks. I have 4 wins in like 14 matches now. Wooo fun.

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



ded posted:

After my wonderful 21hr cooldown to 'determine my skill' I'm getting put up against people with gold ranks. I have 4 wins in like 14 matches now. Wooo fun.

People complain but they haven't been out in the f2p world or never saw what mm was like before valve restrictions. For all the shitiness of climbing from causal to match making and then to prime its just better than what was there before.

Sweeper
Nov 29, 2007
The Joe Buck of Posting
Dinosaur Gum

ded posted:

After my wonderful 21hr cooldown to 'determine my skill' I'm getting put up against people with gold ranks. I have 4 wins in like 14 matches now. Wooo fun.

Well soon you can go down to the silver ranks and get all the frags you want against bot-like players

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
krieg chat?

http://plays.tv/video/5778de859848206419/all-hail-the-krieg

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
good job but please get either the cyrex or aerial skin for your sg or post a trigger warning before linking videos with the pulse or ultraviolet, thank

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Smithereens posted:

i feel like the rise of jumpscoutting happened overnight. it definitely changed how i play when i found out.

also honorable mention to the revolvo :rip:

Not a bad one, but jump scouting was known among pros and decent players for a long time. What really changed was the price tag for the Scout, it was reduced several times down from $2500 to $1700, which allowed you to buy it after losing pistol rounds, and that made it way more viable.

In fact, one month after the price was reduced to $2000 and crouching and landing inaccuracy were reduced, it was used in competitive play. That allowed you to pull off the consecutive jump scouts like you see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOm1tNgdU_s

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/2013-08-21_Patch

It was also right after player acceleration was patched too, making the Scout way nicer to use.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/2013-09-26_Patch

Rite Of Massage
Aug 16, 2005

Jeza posted:

Not a bad one, but jump scouting was known among pros and decent players for a long time. What really changed was the price tag for the Scout, it was reduced several times down from $2500 to $1700, which allowed you to buy it after losing pistol rounds, and that made it way more viable.

In fact, one month after the price was reduced to $2000 and crouching and landing inaccuracy were reduced, it was used in competitive play. That allowed you to pull off the consecutive jump scouts like you see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOm1tNgdU_s

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/2013-08-21_Patch

It was also right after player acceleration was patched too, making the Scout way nicer to use.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/2013-09-26_Patch

dang, this post was informative but brought back repressed memories of when i thought onlineJ was good

i honestly forgot about some of those price and acceleration changes. you right fam!!

edit: holy poo poo this gem right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzVdxkRjrEU

Rite Of Massage fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 3, 2016

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
http://plays.tv/video/5779071b1c01af60c4/0-1-seconds

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



Smithereens posted:

dang, this post was informative but brought back repressed memories of when i thought onlineJ was good

i honestly forgot about some of those price and acceleration changes. you right fam!!

edit: holy poo poo this gem right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzVdxkRjrEU

That video cracked me up especially when he gets knifed and is obviously raging so much he doesn't tell the other guy that he's about to get shot in the back

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Watching the ESL UK Premiership and really wanted to make a joke about UKcs but some of these guys are actually pretty good

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"
M4A4 or M4A1-S? I've been partial to the A4 for a long while now. Debating if there's reason to switch.

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



As a ct do you tend to back up quickly when you get a kill or do you tend to keep shooting until no one's left or you die. I like the a1 because its slightly easier to get a pick if they can't identify quickly where you're shooting for and I'll happily back off in that event but any longer fight or stopping a hard rush can be rougher and I miss the extra ten bullets a lot then.

fat bossy gerbil
Jul 1, 2007

gently caress matchmaking. I've been working on climbing the ranks for a couple weeks now after having not played since long before the rank reset so I've slowly clawed my way up to silver elite master and the matchmaker is now actively loving me over.

It's placing me with people who are so staggeringly bad that we can't hope to win. I just got out of a match where the whole team but one guy was trying to kick a player who never bought armor and wouldn't plant the bomb. When we asked green why he wouldn't vote kick he says that it's his 8 year old brother and he can't kick him or he will get upset.

It rarely matches two even remotely equal teams, it's usually one team who is trash and one who is either ranked higher or has a smurf or two. Which team you get put on is luck of the draw.

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

Audax posted:

M4A4 or M4A1-S? I've been partial to the A4 for a long while now. Debating if there's reason to switch.
A1 has better skins. :smugdog:

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Jeza posted:

:psyduck:


Yeah, and I'm saying 3 years is ample time to do that in CS. There's only 3 Terrorist rifles. It's not some complex system where there can be lots of unknown combinations lying undiscovered or kept secret. Every player can pick it up and use it for themselves at any time. I'd also say that any overnight metagame shifts in any competitive game almost always follow a balance patch, and basically every competitive game ever has balance patches. It takes something like a week for people to identify most of the best decks in Hearthstone after new cards are released, and then maybe one or two more crop up in the following weeks, and then it remains roughly stable until the next expansion. I'd say most games approach close enough to solved in a month or two and a large enough playerbase.

I'm struggling to think of examples where a game suddenly changed overnight due to an undiscovered powerful tool, and it had been viable in the game for at least one year already. And I can't think of any in games with playerbases as large as CS:GO.

It happened multiple times in Brood War, and is really common in fighting games. You are right that CS has way less tech to explore than any of those though.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

symbolic posted:

A1 has better skins. :smugdog:

A4 has Paladin, so by default you are wrong :smug:

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

The French Army! posted:

gently caress matchmaking. I've been working on climbing the ranks for a couple weeks now after having not played since long before the rank reset so I've slowly clawed my way up to silver elite master and the matchmaker is now actively loving me over.

It's placing me with people who are so staggeringly bad that we can't hope to win. I just got out of a match where the whole team but one guy was trying to kick a player who never bought armor and wouldn't plant the bomb. When we asked green why he wouldn't vote kick he says that it's his 8 year old brother and he can't kick him or he will get upset.

It rarely matches two even remotely equal teams, it's usually one team who is trash and one who is either ranked higher or has a smurf or two. Which team you get put on is luck of the draw.
Join our nova group, we schedule queues in there so you don't have to go it alone

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GNFU/members

Also, you can add me

http://steamcommunity.com/id/famethrowa

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Pomp posted:

It happened multiple times in Brood War, and is really common in fighting games. You are right that CS has way less tech to explore than any of those though.

Fighting games are totally out of my experience, though I know there were big shifts in Brood War. But I feel like these metagame changes are sort of different. It's more like a constantly evolving game of rock, paper, scissors to my mind, where people are just constantly anti-stratting, rather than sudden revelations about individual units which might be a more appropriate comparison. Like, for a while, Zerg will be beating Protoss consistently at a high level, then somebody works out a decent strategy that counters it, and then the matchup favours Protoss until the vice versa happens. While this is more of a question of "is dis gun good??" and I guess the proof is kinda in the pudding.

Katamari Democracy
Jan 19, 2010

Guess what! :love:
Guess what this is? :love:
A Post, Just for you! :love:
Wedge Regret
Note to self. Play more Overpass.

I guess you can watch a replay of it here?



Just...ugh. :( Overpass is not my favorite map.

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

Famethrowa posted:

A4 has Paladin, so by default you are wrong :smug:
Counterpoint: Chantico's muthafuckin' Fire

BeRandom
Mar 20, 2011
GooNovas about to play some MM. Got 2 so far.

Add me
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Winkle-Daddy
Mar 10, 2007
Will someone invite me to the goonovas? I want to get better at this stupid game.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/drjeffgoldblum

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Winkle-Daddy posted:

Will someone invite me to the goonovas? I want to get better at this stupid game.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/drjeffgoldblum

I think you can just join, but I can invite you

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"

symbolic posted:

Counterpoint: Chantico's muthafuckin' Fire

Sorry my skin's have to match per side - purple/blue CT red T.


Also I think metagame shifts in CS are more how to play maps/positions/executes rather than which weapon to use. Once teams figure srats out they one-up etc.

Winkle-Daddy
Mar 10, 2007

Famethrowa posted:

I think you can just join, but I can invite you

Thanks!

Xenaero
Sep 26, 2006


Slippery Tilde

symbolic posted:

Counterpoint: Chantico's muthafuckin' Fire

Gross.

Cyrex/Torque M4A1/USP combo. Low float for less scratches of course :jerkbag:

e: I want that Autotronic Bayonet but ugh knife trading is dumb

Xenaero fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jul 4, 2016

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
Matching FN Guardian usp/m4a1-s is the most stylish combo

SealHammer
Jul 4, 2010
Click to understand my bad faith posting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0

Any chance the FTC plunges some assholes, between streamers and Valve?

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




SealHammer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0

Any chance the FTC plunges some assholes, between streamers and Valve?

Not surprised that cockbag JoshOG was being a scumbag, he's also a co-owner of the site.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

I can't wait for betting sites, and the scumbag streamers that pimp them to preteens, to get hosed by the government.

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Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"
I'm loving the reddit teenagers teaching me about corporate law and governance like they know how things work.

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