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BattleMaster posted:I definitely wouldn't mind if uniformed cops were not allowed to take part in the future Why does one group get to hijack Pride to get another group excluded? Should unions and the $15 minimum wage people be permitted to block the parade until the organizers agree to exclude the Tories, because the latter's official policy is incompatible with a living wage for workers? If they spent half as much time actually trying to fix anything as they do grandstanding and making incoherent and inexplicable demands, they'd end up doing a lot of good. Instead, their public-facing actions consist almost entirely of power plays to show what they can make other people do, so it starts to look like that's the entire purpose of the organization, as far as the leaders are concerned.
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I don't feel super informed on what BLM Toronto's agenda is beyond the most superficial "stop shooting black people" but I am pretty certain that one of their stunts is going to blow up in their faces more than today and it'll be a sight to behold.
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THC posted:If you're queer or you fancy yourself an ally and your opinion is against BLM then you need to sort your fuckin life out
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tagesschau posted:Why does one group get to hijack Pride to get another group excluded? Should unions and the $15 minimum wage people be permitted to block the parade until the organizers agree to exclude the Tories, because the latter's official policy is incompatible with a living wage for workers? Well to be honest at first I was skeptical but I'd say Pinterest Mom just gave a pretty good argument for at the very least telling cops to gently caress off
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Heavy neutrino posted:Well to be honest at first I was skeptical but I'd say Pinterest Mom just gave a pretty good argument for at the very least telling cops to gently caress off How long is their ban?
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Call it a decade since the last instance of transphobia or homophobia from an on-duty member of the force. You could talk me down to five years, probably, but only because I believe that it's functionally equivalent to ten years.
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I'm gonna go with "literally loving forever unless the officer(s) in question is/are queer" tbh
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Frosted Flake posted:Nice of BLM to turn public opinion against them once again by shutting down TO Pride for 30 minutes. This is extremely good news.
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Jul 4, 2016 05:16
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Angry Diplomat posted:I'm gonna go with "literally loving forever unless the officer(s) in question is/are queer" tbh yeah, because attending a pride parade if you're not queer is like stealing their identity, man Pinterest Mom posted:Call it a decade since the last instance of transphobia or homophobia from an on-duty member of the force. this is pretty stupid and you seem like you're normally practical enough to know better.
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About 20 people moved out of Victoria's Tent City this week. There was a call-out for volunteers, hoping someone had a truck, so they didn't get much official help with it. The move bought the City a little more time before the fire safety enforcement cracks down, but I wouldn't be surprised if those vacancies get filled before the View Royal housing does. It took the fire order gun-to-the-head to get those 20 out.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Call it a decade since the last instance of transphobia or homophobia from an on-duty member of the force. Would you extend that to other institutions? Federal government? Banks? Hospitals? Schools? You'd have a pretty sparse parade with that sort of collective guilt applied, I think.
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looks like victoria is getting its own christiania gratz guys
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namaste faggots posted:good thing we don't have BLM in vancouver yeah, you need black people for that
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Subjunctive posted:Would you extend that to other institutions? Federal government? Banks? Hospitals? Schools? Most of those institutions haven't literally killed gay people. Though, I'm a bit tired of about the 10 different facebook posts I've seen today saying that if you disagree with them stopping the parade your a "bigot' whose 'racism is showing' etc. Not really into the whole using ideological purity as a shield of any and all criticism thing, or the idea that if you don't agree with a cause 100% of the time you're a garbage ally. Not that the whole world's saying it, but it sure has hell tends to be the loudest voice online. Or I guess it just seems that way to me because I have tons of hardcore feminist facebook friends. Time to going back to my policy of never interacting with politics online I guess.
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https://twitter.com/PeterKimGlobal/status/749707271387557889 There was their demands.. Police was number 8.
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namaste faggots posted:looks like victoria is getting its own christiania Tent city makes christiania look like yale town. It's criminals and the worst sort of lumpen using the mentally ill as cover while "poverty activists" circle jerk each other around the sacred fire.
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Baronjutter posted:Tent city makes christiania look like yale town. It's criminals and the worst sort of lumpen using the mentally ill as cover while "poverty activists" circle jerk each other around the sacred fire. you're a monster. there are some legitimate weed activists in that camp
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attackmole posted:Most of those institutions haven't literally killed gay people. You can trace a lot of activity back to policies controlled by the federal government, but I'd understood the trigger to be transphobia on duty, not homicide. Given the rates of suicide among transgendered people, there's a lot of culpability to spread across social services as a start.
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Subjunctive posted:Would you extend that to other institutions? Federal government? Banks? Hospitals? Schools? Sure? I'd certainly look unfavourably on, say, CAMH having a big presence at Pride, and I'd extend it to private companies, too — I have a problem with Facebook being a big sponsor of SF Pride while its real name policy makes it very hard for transpeople to use the website. Who cares about the size of the parade? Jordan7hm posted:this is pretty stupid and you seem like you're normally practical enough to know better. I don't know what this means! Pride is very literally a commemoration of queer resistance against police oppression, and some queer populations are still disproportionately targeted and harmed by police. We don't owe them a platform in our parade.
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This isn't even a "perfect is the enemy of the good" situation. I do basically support BLM's goals, but this amounts to saying "hell with you guys, our cause is more important." gently caress them.
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attackmole posted:Though, I'm a bit tired of about the 10 different facebook posts I've seen today saying that if you disagree with them stopping the parade your a "bigot' whose 'racism is showing' etc. Not really into the whole using ideological purity as a shield of any and all criticism thing, or the idea that if you don't agree with a cause 100% of the time you're a garbage ally. Not that the whole world's saying it, but it sure has hell tends to be the loudest voice online. Or I guess it just seems that way to me because I have tons of hardcore feminist facebook friends. Time to going back to my policy of never interacting with politics online I guess. Think of it as a neo-religion. Remember how shocked people once were if you indicated that you weren't Christian or questioned or doubted the religion in any way?
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Pinterest Mom posted:I don't know what this means! Pride is very literally a commemoration of queer resistance against police oppression, and some queer populations are still disproportionately targeted and harmed by police. We don't owe them a platform in our parade. I'm not advancing this position myself, but I think the argument is it's better to have TPS positively engaged with the community than not at all.
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Jordan7hm posted:yeah, because attending a pride parade if you're not queer is like stealing their identity, man We've historically had a pretty loving rocky relationship with the police, to the point that, yes, some queer activists have advocated for not letting police anywhere near Pride. I, on the other hand, would simply prefer if they did not march in Pride unless they, themselves, were queer, and I'd prefer it if they kept their on-duty presence fairly low-key seeing as there are both cops and queer folks alive today who remember - and in some cases may have been affected by or even involved in - violence against queer people as perpetrated by the police. Thanks for the worthless snark though, guy. infernal machines posted:I'm not advancing this position myself, but I think the argument is it's better to have TPS positively engaged with the community than not at all. Remember that big conversation about de-escalation a few days back? Saying "hey, let us know if you need help" and then loving off to a respectful distance is a pretty good de-escalation strategy in this case I think. Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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New Coke posted:This isn't even a "perfect is the enemy of the good" situation. I do basically support BLM's goals, but this amounts to saying "hell with you guys, our cause is more important." gently caress them. well gays do have marriage, blood donations, and free range toilet use now whereas white people can still get away with murdering blacks for no reason
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Frosted Flake posted:<Milo yuppopolis> Hahah get the gently caress out of here
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attackmole posted:Most of those institutions haven't literally killed gay people. You're joking right?
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*On the scale of police, no. I mean there's a million different political institutions that make living queer loving miserable and have in the past/currently push you into an early death, but as far as organizations that kick in the door of your bar and beat the gently caress out of you, that would mainly be the cops, yeah, so they get the brunt of the resentment.
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The feds only hounded people out of their jobs and humiliated them because they could be Commie infiltrators. Many of them killed themselves as a result, or they starved or whatever but they weren't executed, so I guess we're cool
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Excelsiortothemax posted:If anyone needed to disappear and never to be heard from again it's that hideous person. To be fair, I can't tell if it's really him. Where's his Twitter checkmark? 
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Leofish posted:To be fair, I can't tell if it's really him. Where's his Twitter checkmark? Liberal Media took it away to discredit him, because he wasn't doing a good enough job on his own. 
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namaste faggots posted:good thing we don't have BLM in vancouver http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/m/article/hogans-alley/ BLM in Toronto is pretty absurd. Whoever said it was an "us-too" movement had it right. When the Star alleged racial profiling a few years back it pretty spectacularly blew up in their faces. Couple that with a fairly inclusive gay community (discounting "No Blacks, No Asians" Grindrs) and I can't see why anyone thought this was a good idea.
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Frosted Flake posted:When the Star alleged racial profiling a few years back it pretty spectacularly blew up in their faces. What?
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apatheticman posted:https://twitter.com/PeterKimGlobal/status/749707271387557889 haha most of this stuff looks like the sort of logistical poo poo you'd hash out over a conference call. they probably could've accomplished half their demands with an email. instead they threw a giant public tantrum in front of the prime minister about it.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:haha most of this stuff looks like the sort of logistical poo poo you'd hash out over a conference call. they probably could've accomplished half their demands with an email. instead they threw a giant public tantrum in front of the prime minister about it. And it worked. Good for them
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Rust Martialis posted:And it worked. Good for them They might have to define what "working" means, beside turning the PM, Premier, and public against them. They interrupted First Nations dancers to make one passing comment about indigenous people during their interruption.
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