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Toxxupation posted:And I'd be fine doing a general Flash thread if I knew literally anything about the Flash outside of the tv show and a couple of episodes of Journey into Misery, but I'm pretty unqualified to make a thread like that. goesflash.txt is still bannable.
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If someone wants make a general Flash thread you can post your thoughts on a read through that's fine, but we're not going full TVIV and have a thread like I made you do with bad TV shows. If there is a Flash thread made it needs to be made by someone that actually knows Flash and can put together a great OP.
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For what it's worth, I suggested Flash because the Wally West series is generally regarded as decent-to-excellent for its entire run. It wasn't because I thought you might want to engage in complete spiritual communion with Wally West, the Flash, the Fastest Man Alive, by consuming the whole of his chronicled history. It would probably be a bit if a slog to read every goddamn appearance of any major "name" character across several decades of constant publication.
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I would also read and post in a Flash thread but would refrain from posting my Flash tattoo and am unqualified to make an OP.
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I want a Flash Thread. But I am also not the sort that can make an Op for it.
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Toxxupation posted:I think the only way such a project would be enjoyable to read about is if I read everything, good bad and indifferent (and provide thoughts on it all) that Wally West appeared in in some sort of chronological order, so is that it? Because in my preliminary research I'm seeing some Flash/Green Lantern mini (The Brave and The Bold). And shouldn't, realistically speaking, a Wally West readthrough end in Flashpoint since that's when he's erased from existence? The Brave and The Bold mini was about Barry Allen and Hal Jordan. Wally appears as Kid Flash in one of them, but it's mostly about playing Barry and Hal off each other in different situations. The vast majority of periphery Flash stuff during Wally's run is actually about Barry, like that or the original Flashpoint or whatnot. Barry showed up a lot for a dead guy in a bunch of flashback stuff. Aside from team books like JLA, JLI/E, Justice League Elite, Titans etc Wally doesn't show up in too much else besides his own book. If you want to read those alongside then go for it. JLA and JLI/E are great. But they're not very Wally focused/centric (The Flash has always been rather unimportant in team books) and there's practically no crossover. Most, if not all, of Wally's character arc and journey just takes place in The Flash. If you want to read EVERYTHING then I suppose you'd have to check out Infinite Crisis, the horrible Bart run as The Flash, Lightning Saga (which is a JLA volume 2 tie in thing), then Wally's return which all follows the normal #225 stopping point. Lightning Saga's about as close as you ever get to an important to Wally's own book thing that happens in Justice League books. Otherwise it's only semi-occasionally brought up in his book that he's in the Justice League. It'd be like reading all of the New 52 Justice League because some JL members show up at the start of Endgame. A Wally readthrough would end with Flash Rebirth/Blackest Night. He stops appearing after that when Barry comes back. He shows up as a minor character in one tie-in Flashpoint issue where he gets like 2 lines before dying. I guess you could follow through with that if you want to get the full fisting DC gave the fanbase after Rebirth. edit: I suppose if anyone was going to make a Flash thread it'd be me, but I don't know poo poo about the Golden/Silver age poo poo so I couldn't do much there. Not really sure how I'd go about testing it or whatever, I don't ever make threads. Not even sure it'd really sustain itself. Don't even have a WW or GL thread and they're way more popular 'round these parts than The Flash. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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SeannieDarko posted:Anyone big Legion readers here? I've got a question. Is the Legion that is in the New 52 title a continuation of the one that was in the most recent Adventure Comics and Volume 6? Unfortunately, yes. Not only is it the same L*, they even go out of their way in the first Nu52 issue to note that since "the Flashpoint event" traveling to the past has become impossible (which is how a chunk of the team is marooned, thus the Nu52 Legion Lost book). Of course this completely skullfucked a lot of things considering how very much of the retroboot's storylines rested firmly on pre-Nu52 and very recent shenanigans (New Krypton, Mon-El's stint replacing Clark in Metropolis, multiple important threads and events involving Connor Kent, team members picked up during Legion of Three Worlds, etc etc etc). But what odds, right? It's only the Legion of Super-Heroes! ... Seriously, this was probably the only time a full L* reboot would have made sense and then they -- didn't do it. DC, everybody!
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taichara posted:Unfortunately, yes. Ah dammit. I was hoping it was just very similar since Earth Man was dead and it looks like Polar Boy had two real arms and not an ice one.I haven't read Volume 6 yet because I still need two issues so I don't know what happens. pubic works project fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Squizzle posted:For what it's worth, I suggested Flash because the Wally West series is generally regarded as decent-to-excellent for its entire run. It wasn't because I thought you might want to engage in complete spiritual communion with Wally West, the Flash, the Fastest Man Alive, by consuming the whole of his chronicled history. It would probably be a bit if a slog to read every goddamn appearance of any major "name" character across several decades of constant publication. Fair enough. I'll just read whatever Two Tone Shoes recommended then.
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So besides reading some early and late new 52 of Batman and Superman Doomed, I've read nothing else of DC for a long time. With Marvel kind of bleh for me right now I'm looking for something new. I'm assuming I can read the one shot and just jump off on any titles I'm interested in or is there a reading order?
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gfanikf posted:So besides reading some early and late new 52 of batman and superman doomed, I've read nothing else of dc for a long time. With Marvel kind of bleh for me right now I'm looking for something new. I'm assuming I can read the one shot and just jump off on any titles I'm interested in or is there a reading order? Yeah most of them are pretty solid jumping on points so far. The set up to Superman's current deal is a little convoluted but I think they explain it pretty well in the issues themselves. It helps that the comics have been pretty good so far too.
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gfanikf posted:So besides reading some early and late new 52 of Batman and Superman Doomed, I've read nothing else of DC for a long time. With Marvel kind of bleh for me right now I'm looking for something new. I'm assuming I can read the one shot and just jump off on any titles I'm interested in or is there a reading order? Just made a post for someone asking a similar thing in the recommendation thread. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=461602418 Ya go DC Universe Rebirth Special, Series Rebirth #1 issue (they act like #0's), then Series #1 issue. Some series don't have "Rebirth #1's" and Action Comics and Detective Comics have gone back to original numbering so #900something are their starts. So far, everything seems fine to jump on except that the backstory for the new Superman was told in the 'Superman: Lois and Clark" series. Tomasi's 'Superman' is one of the best, so that's worth it. e: For something new, try Flintstones this week. It's by the guy who did Prez, and looks to be pretty special. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Travis343 posted:Yeah most of them are pretty solid jumping on points so far. The set up to Superman's current deal is a little convoluted but I think they explain it pretty well in the issues themselves. It helps that the comics have been pretty good so far too. Teenage Fansub posted:Just made a post for someone asking a similar thing in the recommendation thread. Thanks! I just picked up the Special and the Superman and Batman tie-ins. I figure that's a good starting point. So how long is the $2.99 pricing lasting for? I mean I know it sounds odd, but it allows me to get a few extra titles here and there. Also makes up for the whole DC not doing codes in their books (granted I mostly only buy digital anyway, but if its in both, then why not get the floppy) I'd actually love to read the Scooby Doo one. My daughter loves Scooby Doo (and so do I) and reads the DC comics so I'm going to have to get a digital version of that since I was total that it's along the lines of Archie v Predator and not appropriate for kids in the least. Edit: Do I need Justice League 50 and Superman 52 also? Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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You don't need them, no. Everything important in those books is recapped in Rebirth, that note is just there to tell you order since Rebirth spoils those books.
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You should read Superman 52 though, because it's...you know...good.
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As a counterpoint... That final Superman story blew! Also, those are the last issues in full storylines, so they wouldn't do much alone. e: Superman #52 does have some Rebirth pertinent details that aren't covered in the special. When N52 Superman died, bits of some life essence shot out of him into N52 Lois and Lana, and two others flew off out of frame. N52 Lois and Lana are going to star in the upcoming Superwoman series. They haven't set an end date for $2.99. I suppose profits will dictate that. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Toxxupation posted:Fair enough. I'll just read whatever Two Tone Shoes recommended then. For most people the rec is just 62-225, but if you want to read all the way from 1 to 247 then I can oblige. All the Flash stuff is volume 2. Flash 1-94 Flash 0 Flash 95-108 Impulse 10 Flash 109 Impulse 11 Flash 110-206 Flash 207-217 kind of runs at the same time as Identity Crisis and there's some parallelism in there where Identity Crisis reveals tie into this arc Flash 218 and 219 Wonder Woman 214 Flash 220-230 After that Wally disappears in Infinite Crisis, which eventually spins off into Bart Allen's terrible run as The Flash in "The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive 1-12." I would never recommend this to anyone because it is abhorrently bad but if you're a super completionist about this thing it technically matters. The Lightning Saga: Justice League of America (Volume 2) #8, Justice Society of America (Volume 3) #5, Justice League of America (Volume 2) #9, Justice Society of America (Volume 3) #6, Justice League of America (Volume 2) #10 All Flash #1 Flash 231-247 The only thing I really left out were the Annuals, most of which are just one offs but if you're really interested in those you can find where they land chronologically here: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/the-flash-annual/4050-3791/ After that, it's basically Flash Rebirth 1-6 and Flash: Blackest Night 1-3 (which ran concurrently, but in universe Blackest Night happens directly after Flash Rebirth) and that's the end of Wally being The Flash. He shows up for a short conversation in Flash volume 3 #11 and, finally, in the Flashpoint tie-in Citizen Cold #1 and in flashbacks in 2-3. The only other stuff that heavily features Wally West is the JL books I mentioned earlier. JLA 1-90 is always a good recommendation, as is JLI 1-25 and JLE 1-50, though Wally only appears once it becomes Justice League Europe, iirc, you should still read JLI first before it splits off into Justice League America and Justice League Europe. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jul 3, 2016 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:As a counterpoint... That final Superman story blew! $2.99 will remain so long as they are bi monthly.
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Toxxupation posted:You should read Superman 52 though, because it's...you know...good. don't *buy* it tho, because Superman editorial is the scum of the earth
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There are a few other small crossovers--a four-issue one with Hal Jordan (GL 30/Flash 69/GL 31/Flash 70), and a three-issue story with Kyle and Connor (GL 96, GA 130, Flash 135.) Can't think of any others offhand.
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I decided to finally read All-Star Superman in its entirety. I thought it was pretty fine, I guess. I felt distinctly underwhelmed when I read it, I guess; I think it had a great Luthor issue, a great Pa Kent issue, and everything else was varying levels of forgettable. I actually kinda hated the Bizarro arc and felt like it was a giant waste of time, but that's because I find Bizarro's speech patterns to be the single dumbest and most irritating poo poo to read in the world. That Bizarro national anthem was loving great, though. There was a lot I really liked, like how Morrison wrote Clark Kent to be an utter chump whose total klutziness enabled him to "accidentally" save people. Clark Kent revealing his secret identity to Lois only for her to reject it out of hand and, worse than that, fear that Clark might actually be Superman felt really fake and dishonest to Lois. In general Lois feels distinctly lesser in this whole story; outside of her issue (in which she's literally a prize to be won) she comes across as barely or nonpresent. Everyone talks about rear end as the definitive take on Superman and a lot of it just didn't really work for me or on me. That reveal that the earth Superman created explicitly without a Superman ending up being the earth that created Superman was actually a really brilliant narrative move on Morrison's part. I dunno; I just have a whole lot of mixed feelings about it, I guess. After hearing rear end trumped up for so long and seeing so much of it out of context or reading an issue here and there I was expecting, like, an emotional epic in 12 issues over the "Eh, that was decent I guess' reaction I ended up having. Unbelievable Frank Quitely art though. Like, his best art he's ever done or will ever do. Dude deserved an Eisner for that poo poo. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Toxxupation posted:I decided to finally read All-Star Superman in its entirety. Personally I don't think rear end is necessarily the definitive take on Superman, but it is the definitive take on Golden/Silver Age Superman, which is probably also why Lois is the way she is. Like this isn't 'our' Superman and Lois, who are like the best couple in comics, this is "I'm going to turn myself into a gorilla to trick Superman into marrying me" Superman and Lois, but told reverently, as one would in a eulogy. And The Ventriloquist's "GATMAN AND ROGIN" is the single dumbest and most irritating poo poo to read in the world, full stop.
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All Star Superman is not the definitive take on Superman nor would I ever tell someone it was. It's frequently recommended around here when someone asks for good Superman stories but I always think that's a bad idea. It's a love letter to Superman for fans that really know the history of the character. It's not something you just dive into and it all works. I mean I guess you could do that, but it's not designed that way. It's no secret that I'm not a big fan of Morrison at all, but it's a great book if you approach it as a longtime fan of the character and appreciate the history, be it the serious or goofy parts, of Superman. I'm never surprised to see this kind of reaction from someone that doesn't have a deep appreciation for the character.
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Travis343 posted:Personally I don't think rear end is necessarily the definitive take on Superman, but it is the definitive take on Golden/Silver Age Superman, which is probably also why Lois is the way she is. Like this isn't 'our' Superman and Lois, who are like the best couple in comics, this is "I'm going to turn myself into a gorilla to trick Superman into marrying me" Superman and Lois, but told reverently, as one would in a eulogy. Yeah this is exactly it. It is the definitive take on Silver Age Superman through a modern (and drug fueled) lens. Definitive take for the modern era has to go to Johns Action comics run beginning with "Up, Up, and Away" plus Secret Origins. It really is an incredible run.
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Mr Hootington posted:Yeah this is exactly it. It is the definitive take on Silver Age Superman through a modern (and drug fueled) lens. Definitive take for the modern era has to go to Johns Action comics run beginning with "Up, Up, and Away" plus Secret Origins. It really is an incredible run. No, definitely not Secret Origins. Secret Origins is bad.
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Toxxupation posted:
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X-O posted:No, definitely not Secret Origins. Secret Origins is bad. You do not care for it? I enjoyed it more than "Man of Steel" and "Birthright".
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Personally the story that introduced me into looking at Superman comics more was "Superman: Secret Identity." Really fantastic story.
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Man of Steel and Birthright are far, far, far superior to Secret Origin. Birthright is probably one of the best Superman books period. For All Seasons is really good too.lotus circle posted:Personally the story that introduced me into looking at Superman comics more was "Superman: Secret Identity." Really fantastic story. That is a great book, but for different reasons of course.
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Sadly out of print but It's a Bird is one of the best Superman stories too, which is quite amazing because it doesn't have Superman in it.
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When you say 'Man of Steel' are you talking about the John Byrne miniseries from right after Crisis?
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lotus circle posted:Personally the story that introduced me into looking at Superman comics more was "Superman: Secret Identity." Really fantastic story. It's delightful, and I can't recommend it highly enough.
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Travis343 posted:When you say 'Man of Steel' are you talking about the John Byrne miniseries from right after Crisis? I assume so. For it's time MoS was pretty wonderful.
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Between rear end and Batgirl of Burnside, I think you have a problem with sifting through hyperbole, Toxx. Which is fair, this happens to basically everyone. A story with as much acclaim as rear end isn't going to live up to anyone's standard if all they know of it is lots of people think it's one of the best Superman comics ever. I still maintain that it is. I'd probably argue it's his best if I read more Superman and felt comfortable making that argument. I'm gonna say something I may have to apologize for, but I don't mind the marginalization of Lois in the story. Just like I don't mind any other superheroes showing up or very many iconic Superman villains or anyone else. It's about Superman. And not in a "He's the main character, dumbass" way. I mean it's about who he is and what he means. To us, not to the characters in the comic. I dunno, I'd call it the definitive take on modern Superman. I'll give you the Bizarro stuff.
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Rhyno posted:I assume so. For it's time MoS was pretty wonderful. I still love the last splash page of the sixth issue. I'm well aware it goes hand-in-hand with Byrne's whole "Superman is an American" thing which I understand a lot of people don't like, but I love that last line he has where he says, "Krypton made me Superman, but it's Earth that makes me human." But I like Post-Crisis Superman in general.
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Teenage Fansub posted:As a counterpoint... That final Superman story blew! That's a weird way of getting Lois and Lana preggers
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lotus circle posted:Personally the story that introduced me into looking at Superman comics more was "Superman: Secret Identity." Really fantastic story. Astro City doesn't get recommended here enough.
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I liked Rebirth as a whole (though I didn't realize it was essentially a flash story at first). Superman and Batman are pretty neat so far along with the Rebirth issues. I really liked the whole Batman saving a wounded Jetliner. It was neat watching him try and save it despite, having no powers (yes I know this isn't new by a country mile, but I always like it). I guess my only complaint is after coming off of Secret Wars it just seemed kind of almost not a big deal. That's not anyone's fault at DC, just my own internal bias (even though SW was essentially a small character shuffle). Stil at $2.99 it makes me a lot more willing to try things. Poor Goldie though.
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It's a Flash story only because every major universe shakeup uses the speed force as a macguffin.
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