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Reminds me of the Polish period(s?) known as "the Deluge."
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related conflicts speaking of, to the west, everyone forgets that france and spain fought a separate war from 1628 until the 1650s
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HEY GAL posted:french as well, you've got the chef de file, "head of the file," chef de serre file, "head of the back of the line," and the chef de demi flle, "head of halfway down the line."
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Jul 4, 2016 00:29
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aphid_licker posted:That's an amazing idea for a mod. The translation should maybe deliberately be a bit wonky and something that isn't used in modern parlance, for atmosphere's sake. Toughened and hardened are used in modern milspeak I'm pretty sure. Maybe "firmed"? I like "hardened" specifically because it is used to refer to a similar quality, just not one of a dude who attained it through wizard potions. "Frozen" is good too because it sounds like someone struggling to describe something occult and weird with their everyday vocabulary
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Jul 4, 2016 01:19
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HEY GAL posted:french as well, you've got the chef de file, "head of the file," chef de serre file, "head of the back of the line," and the chef de demi flle, "head of halfway down the line." The Royal Navy actually did this poo poo too. You had Admirals of the Rear, Admirals of the Van [vanguard, i.e. the front of the line of battle], and Admirals of the Main. It's why the lowest grade of Admiral is known as Rear Admiral.
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Jul 4, 2016 07:48
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WW2 Data Italian Semi-Armor-Piercing and Incendiary bombs are up this week. Which bomb had a nose larger than the body? What fillings were used for incendiary bombs? How long would a 20kg incendiary bomb burn? All that and more at the blog!
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Jul 4, 2016 10:20
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swamp waste posted:I like "hardened" specifically because it is used to refer to a similar quality, just not one of a dude who attained it through wizard potions. "Frozen" is good too because it sounds like someone struggling to describe something occult and weird with their everyday vocabulary content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OGfeu1JYbg
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Jul 4, 2016 10:31
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:The Royal Navy actually did this poo poo too. You had Admirals of the Rear, Admirals of the Van [vanguard, i.e. the front of the line of battle], and Admirals of the Main. It's why the lowest grade of Admiral is known as Rear Admiral. And being the pre-1854 Royal Navy, it quickly developed into an even more archaic system. Once the fleet got too big to be controlled by three Admirals it was divided into squadrons which in ascending order of seniority were the Blue, White and Red, distinguished by naval ensigns of the appropriate colour. So you now had 3x3 grades of Admiral, from Rear Admiral of the Blue to Admiral of the Red (plus the ultimate Admiral of the Fleet). Before long the RN was so big that each squadron became a fleet in itself with squadrons within it so there were dozens of actual admirals of each rank. Advancement was purely by seniority, so you'd wait for someone above you to either die or retire before moving up a grade, through the three Rear Admiral ranks (Blue, White, Red) then the Vice Admiral ranks and so on. This is why to this day the UK has three different marine ensigns - red for civilian vessels, blue for governmental and auxiliary ships and white for the RN*. Although the idea of the fleet being in three distinct squadrons had long been abandoned by the mid-18th century vestiges of the system remained because the colour of ensign flown by ships was still related to the seniority and experience of the Admirals commanding them. The blue Admirals, as the most junior, were mainly tasked with carrying out exploration, trade route protection and policing the safer colonies far from Europe. The white Admirals, as the middle rankers, were based in home waters while the senior red Admirals were responsible for ships based in the key colonies in the Caribbean and North America, plus the trans-Atlantic trade routes (and later policing the slave trade). You can notice this by the flags used by current and former British colonies, which were derived from the ensigns flown by the ships based there - Bermuda and Canada have/had Red Ensigns, Australia and New Zealand have Blue Ensigns. No colonies had a White Ensign because the white squadron was based in British ports. But this meant it was the flag flown by Nelson at Trafalgar and so despite not being the senior ensign it became the RN's flag when the system was reformed in 1854. *Being a British system based on ranks, flags and tradition there are many, many exceptions to this (some yacht clubs can issue blue ensigns to their members, for example) but that's the gist of it.
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quote:remember the swedes are not as new, hot, and different as they liked to say they are Yeah, one of the people in our group held a presentation earlier in the spring about them, some of the Swedish generals considered their native infantry (Swedes and Finns, including the regiment we portray) suspect and possibly inferior to the "European professionals" before landing to Germany and thought they should serve in auxiliary roles and leave the big battles to the pros. This seems to have changed by the Battle of Breitenfield, but was the assesment at the start of the Swedish intervention.
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Ataxerxes posted:Yeah, one of the people in our group held a presentation earlier in the spring about them, some of the Swedish generals considered their native infantry (Swedes and Finns, including the regiment we portray) suspect and possibly inferior to the "European professionals" before landing to Germany and thought they should serve in auxiliary roles and leave the big battles to the pros. This seems to have changed by the Battle of Breitenfield, but was the assesment at the start of the Swedish intervention. Another side to it was that the native infantry was the guys the Swedes used to man forts and so on, because they were seen as more politically reliable than the mercs. Which may or may not have been true.
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Jul 4, 2016 12:06
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also remember not to drink the kool aid because of whom you happened to end up with, ataxeres
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Chamale posted:Because that poo poo's dope. I'm thinking about putting together an early modern modpack for Skyrim, and if I mod in some bulletproof generals it could make for some interesting assassination missions. I think people should occasionally use other words too, giving the impression of a poorly understood thing. I quite like the word 'solid', I.e: "Naw mate, you don't understand: I mean he's solid"
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Jul 4, 2016 12:36
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HEY GAL posted:also remember not to drink the kool aid because of whom you happened to end up with, ataxeres Yeah, my group in kinda solid in that regard, the people who run presentations have relevant degrees and source their quotes. Re-enactment here isn't something that draws overly nationalistic people, at least not that of the older wars like 30W. The circles aren't very big and the people doing this stuff have academical backgrounds by the vast majority. I have a MA in History and I have gotten used to reading things critically, especially official accounts of things written afterwards. Edit: And since many re-enactment groups are run by associations that get funds or spaces from local councils or similar bodies there is scrutiny on what those spaces or funds are used for, a group marching around with Nazi flags would get tossed on its arse in a hurry. The 1600's were not a happy time in Finland with wars, famines and every sort of problem, the 30W was followed by some really bad famines so while some things (like Hakkapeliittas, wether they existed or not) are appropriated by nationalistic groups the re-enactment scene doesn't skip the parts where it really sucked to get drafted back then. Ataxerxes fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 13:58
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i didn't mean nationalism exactly, more that modern scholarship is really pushing back against the idea that the swedes were the only people who had cool ideas and sometimes it's difficult for what's going on in academia to reach people who are not in academia. the guy who portrays my captain loves gustavus adolphus a great deal and sometimes, when the wind is right, you can hear my sad voice insisting spain was cool toooooo and did you guys know southern italy was even a thiiiiiing well it was edit: Even the best German groups are mostly hobbyists, not academics. Not to mention that there are a lot of little town commemorative associations out there, and those guys are nice people but from the authenticity point of view it's 
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Jul 4, 2016 16:35
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Jul 4, 2016 16:54
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HEY GAL posted:i didn't mean nationalism exactly, more that modern scholarship is really pushing back against the idea that the swedes were the only people who had cool ideas and sometimes it's difficult for what's going on in academia to reach people who are not in academia. Wait, what happened in southern Italy during the 30YW? I know northern Italy was a mess, due to kinda being in the HRE and the Spanish road passing through, but I though southern Italy was a solid Spanish possession in this timeframe?
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nothing to seehere posted:Wait, what happened in southern Italy during the 30YW? I know northern Italy was a mess, due to kinda being in the HRE and the Spanish road passing through, but I though southern Italy was a solid Spanish possession in this timeframe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_N%C3%B6rdlingen_(1634) the "spanish" units that won at noerdlingen were southern italians the people who think swedish methods were the key to victory don't like to be reminded of this fight edit: also it wasn't that "solid," naples had a revolt in the 40s and set up a short-lived republic. then everyone got plague and the population of the city dropped by like...half. good times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_Republic_(1647) incidentally, nobody thinks about this, but naples was the most populous city in europe until that plague. it was bigger than paris, and arguably more important. but italy as a whole never really bounced back from the 30yw. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 17:03
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HEY GAL posted:the people who think swedish methods were the key to victory don't like to be reminded of this fight Being a hyperaggressive idiot who makes a shitload of charges against an entrenched enemy works sometimes and then people start to think that it is how you're supposed to do. Gustav Horn was a lovely general.
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Jul 4, 2016 17:16
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see also the difference between frederick the great's ideas and what other people thought his ideas were
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Jul 4, 2016 17:17
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Kemper Boyd posted:Being a hyperaggressive idiot who makes a shitload of charges against an entrenched enemy works sometimes and then people start to think that it is how you're supposed to do. Gustav Horn was a lovely general. See also the Russo-Japanese War and its influence on WW1.
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HEY GAL posted:edit: also it wasn't that "solid," naples had a revolt in the 40s and set up a short-lived republic. then everyone got plague and the population of the city dropped by like...half. good times. Holy poo poo. (Erm, no pun intended) The 30 years war is the source of southern Italian poverty today?
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wdarkk posted:See also the Russo-Japanese War and its influence on WW1. 
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Nebakenezzer posted:Holy poo poo. (Erm, no pun intended) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:i didn't mean nationalism exactly, more that modern scholarship is really pushing back against the idea that the swedes were the only people who had cool ideas and sometimes it's difficult for what's going on in academia to reach people who are not in academia. Yeah, that is certainly something I maybe didn't write clearly enough before. Of the re-enactors I have met here some very few, mostly the really old folks, still hold the 20-30's era view of Sweden being the source of innovation and being somehow way above the opposition. Some people prefer to remember Breitenfield, Lech river and the other successes and conveniently forget about Nördlingen and the other times the "invincible" Swedish army got beaten. Gustavus Adolphus, among historians here, is more remembered for solidifying the royal control over Sweden, Finland and his other territories, not so much for his wars. The stuff I have posted about the Swedish forces were intended as more like personal discoveries about them rather than statements about their supposed superiority in all matters military. Incidentally, would anyone be interested in the differences between the recruiting of the Swedish (and Finnish) national units compared to the central European mercenary forces?
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Kemper Boyd posted:Being a hyperaggressive idiot who makes a shitload of charges against an entrenched enemy works sometimes and then people start to think that it is how you're supposed to do. but enough about us grant, am I right?
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Ataxerxes posted:Incidentally, would anyone be interested in the differences between the recruiting of the Swedish (and Finnish) national units compared to the central European mercenary forces? In this thread, the answer to this type of question is probably always going to be "yes" E: I'm interested, at least.
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Ataxerxes posted:The stuff I have posted about the Swedish forces were intended as more like personal discoveries about them rather than statements about their supposed superiority in all matters military.
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HEY GAL posted:I'm pretty sure southern Italy was where spain got most of its tax revenue to pay for its wars and one of the results of that was that the difference between rich and poor grew a great deal during this period and their economy never recovered. i don't know any more about it than that, but one of my advisors is an italian specialist and that's where I got this. It's also in Parker's Global Crisis. Yeah and ironically the fact that the two sicilies were not fragmented like north italy made it so that south italy didn't had the same urban development in several cities like the north, with the majority of the people lived in the countryside and only Naples and Palerno (and maybe Capua) as major cities while the north had Venice, Rome, Milan, Genoa, Florence and several other cities.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Yeah and ironically the fact that the two sicilies were not fragmented like north italy made it so that south italy didn't had the same urban development in several cities like the north, with the majority of the people lived in the countryside and only Naples and Palerno (and maybe Capua) as major cities while the north had Venice, Rome, Milan, Genoa, Florence and several other cities. no tradition of urban self government either
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Oh right, happy Let's Go Shoot Some Redcoats Day, all y'all!
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Jul 4, 2016 19:46
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Anything people could post about the American revolutionary war would be really neat to hear! (Or as I like to call it, 'Brexit')
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Jul 4, 2016 19:54
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Eela6 posted:Anything people could post about the American revolutionary war would be really neat to hear! This applied to yesterday, but I guess it's the "official" start of it: Washington takes command of Continental Army July 3, 1775 posted:On this day in 1775, George Washington rides out in front of the American troops gathered at Cambridge common in Massachusetts and draws his sword, formally taking command of the Continental Army. Washington, a prominent Virginia planter and veteran of the French and Indian War, had been appointed commander in chief by the Continental Congress two weeks before. In agreeing to serve the American colonies in their war for independence, he declined to accept payment for his services beyond reimbursement of future expenses.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:03
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Marquis de Lafayette liked the US so much he named his son Georges Washington.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:05
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Siivola posted:Marquis de Lafayette liked the US so much he named his son Georges Washington. Then he began to hate America and wish he had never helped the US in the first place.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:07
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Klaus88 posted:Then he began to hate America and wish he had never helped the US in the first place. An uncomfortably common reaction over the last 240 years.
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Klaus88 posted:Then he began to hate America and wish he had never helped the US in the first place. Wait, what?
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In July of 1776 we'd basically kicked out all the British armed forces from the majority of the 13 colonies, which gave us time to figure our poo poo out and make a decision about what we were going to do after our failed invasion of Canada and the back and forth in MA. We'd won! Of course, the Brits came back.
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Siivola posted:Oh right, happy Let's Go Shoot Some Redcoats Day, all y'all! No shooting SeanBeansShako (or me) 
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Klaus88 posted:Then he began to hate America and wish he had never helped the US in the first place. You have a supremely unfortunate user name (at best) to be hanging out in this thread.
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