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Baron Corbyn posted:Angela Eagle says she'll stand "soon" if Corbyn doesn't resign so I'm guessing not today either lmao. One day, one I day I promise ya! This so-called coup is just an endless descent into farce.
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Lady Galaga posted:No more hope of seeing him die in another plane-related publicity stunt Don't forget when his crashed his car because he ignored the EU-wide recall on his model due to loose tyres and then his tyres popped off on the French motorway.
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Jul 4, 2016 10:33
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Nigel's calling for UKIP to not stand in Brexit MP's territories. We could be seeing the makings of a Tory/UKIP alliance.Jose posted:how the gently caress did carswell manage to beat farage Well if you're in the ring with the champ and they suddenly have a heart attack you are technically the winner. In truth Farage had lunch with Murdoch recently so expect to see him with a new column in the Sun and still appearing every week on Question time and Newsnight. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jose posted:how the gently caress did carswell manage to beat farage in what? announcing it? That was posted within seconds of the announcement
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nigel's calling for UKIP to not stand in Brexit MP's territories. We could be seeing the makings of a Tory/UKIP alliance. drat I would have thought France would have gone fash first.
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Tesseraction posted:in what? announcing it? That was posted within seconds of the announcement he's presumably won control of ukip if farage is quitting after trying to have him expelled all week
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Jose posted:he's presumably won control of ukip if farage is quitting after trying to have him expelled all week He's been trying to have him expelled since he jumped from the Tories. Nah, this reminds me of when Louise Mensh quit her job as an MP to work for Murdoch.
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Jul 4, 2016 10:39
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Jose posted:he's presumably won control of ukip if farage is quitting after trying to have him expelled all week Maybe, Farage seems to have been the only thing holding the party base together. I highly doubt Carswell will keep the prole vote being that he's primarily a principled Tory, not a LEJURND like Big Nige.
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Also, a legal case has been launched against invoking Article 50 without the consent of parliament, initially just informal discussion with parliamentary law staff but planing on a lawsuit if not satisfied https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jul/03/parliament-must-decide-whether-or-not-to-leave-the-eu-say-lawyers
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Tesseraction posted:Also, a legal case has been launched against invoking Article 50 without the consent of parliament, initially just informal discussion with parliamentary law staff but planing on a lawsuit if not satisfied https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jul/03/parliament-must-decide-whether-or-not-to-leave-the-eu-say-lawyers Its good they are doing that as her evilness Leadsom or Corbyn would probably invoke article 50 straight away, which would be very much against the way our democracy works. So putting stops on stupidity / evil, forcing them to do it correctly and not further undermining the foundations of the country is a good thing.
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Tesseraction posted:Also, a legal case has been launched against invoking Article 50 without the consent of parliament, initially just informal discussion with parliamentary law staff but planing on a lawsuit if not satisfied https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jul/03/parliament-must-decide-whether-or-not-to-leave-the-eu-say-lawyers Basic common sense. Then again this thread is against there being a debate being as any resistance of 50 is going to cause the fascist apocalypse or something. Personally I think the dumb fucks can't stay mobilised for much longer.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nigel's calling for UKIP to not stand in Brexit MP's territories. We could be seeing the makings of a Tory/UKIP alliance. Presumably they won't be standing in corbyns or McDonnell's either then.
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Guavanaut posted:Hire trade negotiators from North Korea. Apparently New Zealand have offered us theirs.
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Jul 4, 2016 10:58
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lol Steven Crabb just came out in saying he'd want to borrow £100 Billion to fund infrastructure projects. He's now to the left of most of the PLP.
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Regarde Aduck posted:He's a good welsh lad and therefor can't be PM. Still hates them queers, though.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Still hates them queers, though. Oh yeah he's terrible. All his weird policies seem to be a combination of his Christian upbringing and how his mum was awesome and totally will-to-powered her way out of benefits so everyone can do it you loving shirkers.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Still hates them queers, though. Which I'd support as long as it went both ways, like someone could check in and say "I hate being straight and I want to be gay and awesome"
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Has Farage considered British jobs for British workers? Also even my non political friends are making jokes or expressing disgust about Crabb personally curing all the gays. I think he's screwed up a little with his failed bid.
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DesperateDan posted:It's an unpopular concept because it never happens to be followed with an explanation that voids "the jobs are for the people here, you other people don't get jobs, and that's because you don't come from here". It's pretty hard to paint as anything else. Let me present this as a leftist argument against free-movement of labour.  In 2014 the united kingdom was matched only by Germany in immigration levels within the EU. The UK, unlike Germany, received more people from outside the EU than from within it. I couldn't find stats on how those break down but why should those fortunate enough to be born with the right to an EU passport receive preferential immigration treatment/status to those without one? http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457 "enjoy equal treatment with nationals in access to employment, working conditions and all other social and tax advantages" This rule in particular is a pretty succinct way of saying "gently caress you if you aren't in our little club". If you can't maintain the same immigration policy for the rest of the world as you can for Europe the policy is probably wrong. It is 2016, proximity is no qualifier for immigration rights. The world is a much smaller place than when the EU was formed. Either free movement of labour is a great idea in which case, now that we are out of the EU we are free to negotiate it with non-eu states with whom we want stronger trade relationships or it is infact a poo poo idea and needs rethinking. I'd go with the latter on the basis that letting large numbers of people come here from places with lower standards of living inherently means they are likely to tolerate lower standards of living. This does no good at all for minimum wage, house prices all that poo poo. Culturally, economically, socially I'd argue the UK is as far removed from, like, Morocco, as we are much of eastern Europe due to the legacy of communism etc. Germany, on the other hand, is far less so. There is nothing 'inclusive' about sharing the same list of 'acceptable nations from which you may emigrate here' as Germany. If you are a Moroccan, Canadian, Australian, Guinean, Kenyan, whatever wanting to come here, for example, such a policy is quite the opposite of inclusive.
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awesome-express posted:Wait did Farage just resign or what Again, yes. He's either posturing again or he's scared of becoming PM.
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Gonzo McFee posted:lol Steven Crabb just came out in saying he'd want to borrow £100 Billion to fund infrastructure projects. He's now to the left of most of the PLP. *depressing
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Deptfordx posted:It's Johnson all over again. Doesn't want to be around when the scale of the BREXIT disaster starts to become obvious to even his supporters. As long as there's still a significant enough number of immigrants to blame, this will never happen.
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jiggerypokery posted:This rule in particular is a pretty succinct way of saying "gently caress you if you aren't in our little club". If you can't maintain the same immigration policy for the rest of the world as you can for Europe the policy is probably wrong. It is 2016, proximity is no qualifier for immigration rights. The world is a much smaller place than when the EU was formed. Either free movement of labour is a great idea in which case, now that we are out of the EU we are free to negotiate it with non-eu states with whom we want stronger trade relationships or it is infact a poo poo idea and needs rethinking. I'd go with the latter on the basis that letting large numbers of people come here from places with lower standards of living inherently means they are likely to tolerate lower standards of living. This does no good at all for minimum wage, house prices all that poo poo. By this same argument, why should people in the UK have unrestricted exclusive access to the highest paying jobs in the world purely by virtue that they were born on the correct piece of rock?
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coffeetable posted:okay, now how about i offer you a choice between Pragmatism means you are a traitor.
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Deptfordx posted:It's Johnson all over again. Doesn't want to be around when the scale of the BREXIT disaster starts to become obvious to even his supporters. It's a combination of this and not kicking out Dougie Carser MD
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coffeetable posted:okay, now how about i offer you a choice between Either would be sweet with a one-in-one-out stipulation that puts you on the first boat out of here.
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qhat posted:By this same argument, why should people in the UK have unrestricted exclusive access to the highest paying jobs in the world purely by virtue that they were born on the correct piece of rock? I'm not sure if you're trolling but I'll be sure to present my passport in lieu of a CV next time I go for an engineering job I am still paying off the degree for. I'll let you know how it goes.
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jiggerypokery posted:I'm not sure if you're trolling but I'll be sure to present my passport in lieu of a CV next time I go for an engineering job I am still paying off the degree for. I'll let you know how it goes. My point is it's difficult to argue that freedom of movement is a bad thing from a leftist viewpoint because you have to concede that wealth inequality on an international level is an acceptable state of affairs. And besides, has it ever been proven that high levels of migration from poorer nations actually drive down living standards in the medium-long term?
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jiggerypokery posted:Let me present this as a leftist argument against free-movement of labour. The alternative is to limit the scope to smaller areas, the nation-state, the workers' council, the region, and place controls on both flows of capital and labor crossing from those areas, accepting that some movement is necessary for both but that it doesn't have to be unregulated free movement. This leads to a different type of social inequality, and also to Stalinism if you're the type of person to accuse any type of socialism in one country as Stalinism. What we are going to get though is restrictions on free movement of labor because they're foreign and probably secret Muslims, and no restrictions on movement of capital because it's my stuff that I stole fair and square so if I want to hide it in the Caymans then gently caress you.
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