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qhat posted:Stop being pedantic you know what I'm talking about Stop giving him opportunities to be a pedant. Ignore him. If you can't handle that for some reason, maybe you need to utilise your Ignore List. But you really shouldn't need to.
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This does make Nicola Sturgeon the longest serving major party leader now. Then it's Tim Farron.
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TinTower posted:This does make Nicola Sturgeon the longest serving major party leader now. Ruth Davidson?
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Pissflaps posted:More relevantly, polling today shows Labour far behind where they were at the same stage after 2010 For anyone who takes Pissflaps seriously, polling today is not the same as polling a few years ago as all the pollsters' responses to the 2015 General Election was just add a few points onto the Tories
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Pissflaps posted:More relevantly, polling today shows Labour far behind where they were at the same stage after 2010 (leading by between 5 and 10 points) Those polls were famously badly wrong. Labour were arguably never ahead at all. Polling two weeks ago showed Remain as much as 10 points ahead. UK polls are worthless.
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Pissflaps posted:More relevantly, polling today shows Labour far behind where they were at the same stage after 2010 (leading by between 5 and 10 points) which means that come polling day, Labour is heading for an absolute disaster. I agree that the PLP are damaging Labour's chances of success.
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Jul 4, 2016 13:13
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Only thing everyone in the UK can agree on is it's funny to lie to pollsters.
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Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Ruth Davidson? I think if you're going by that metric, Willie Rennie might just pip Ruth to the post. Leanne Wood became Plaid leader in March 2012, for completeness,
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dispatch_async posted:Polling two weeks ago showed Remain as much as 10 points ahead. I don't think this is true.
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forkboy84 posted:Liam Fox has come out & said that abortions are bad and has called for "huge restriction, if not abolition" on the UK's "pro-abortion laws". Going back a few pages but I had no idea about this. I didn't realise anyone (close to power) in this country/soon to be ex-union still thought abortion should be illegal. Genuinely, I thought that this was a settled issue in the establishment. None of the Conservative party members I've known have ever cared enough to mention it, and neither have most of the Catholics. How mainstream are Fox's views in the Tory party?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Ruth Davidson? Technically a wing of the Conservative Party.
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Pissflaps posted:Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not. This is a lie
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Pissflaps posted:Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not. I think he's got a vanishingly small chance.
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LemonDrizzle posted:McDonnell says he accepts that free movement will end but that Britain must retain single market access and financial services passporting anyway. That is exactly equivalent to the bojo cake position. No it isn't, because BoJo was making that statement as a likely future PM, that is the guy who actually has to be responsible for the negotiations, whereas McDonnell is making the statement as an opposition politician who won't be involved in the process. And opposition politicians making popular demands to the government that they know the government are unlikely fulfil isn't exactly a novel concept.
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Stabbatical posted:Going back a few pages but I had no idea about this. I didn't realise anyone (close to power) in this country/soon to be ex-union still thought abortion should be illegal. Genuinely, I thought that this was a settled issue in the establishment. None of the Conservative party members I've known have ever cared enough to mention it, and neither have most of the Catholics. Probably about half of the MPs, two thirds to three quarters of the membership, are primarily traditionalists (based on how the party polled on same-sex marriage).
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Pissflaps posted:Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not. No-one has said anything about him winning a general. The most optimistic anyone has been is suggesting the Tories lose an outright majority.
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Pissflaps posted:Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not. Flaps, I love you. I really do. You bring a nuance and skill to pedantry that a lot newer posters could do with understanding. Saying that, we get it. You don't think Corbyn is electable and that he hasn't done a good job. Can you stop now? It's fairly boring and someone always rises to the bait, thus derailing the thread for 2-3 pages of skippable content.
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Breath Ray posted:I think he's got a vanishingly small chance. This seems to be the view of most.
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Tesseraction posted:No-one has said anything about him winning a general. The most optimistic anyone has been is suggesting the Tories lose an outright majority. MrL_JaKiri posted:This is a lie Not sure what to think now.
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Tesseraction posted:No-one has said anything about him winning a general. The most optimistic anyone has been is suggesting the Tories lose an outright majority. This is also wrong
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I think Theresa is most likely to win, though I don't think there will be a GE as she doesn't particularly need a new mandate. She performed well on Peston on Sunday - goes to church, graceful in defeat and wouldn't endorse glenn hoddle for England manager. Think she'd make a good unity PM really.
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Very different world now, Cameron was a useless shite but he could almost play the part of a charismatic statesman, the current line-up for Tory leader have the collective charm and charisma of a rotting fish. If Johnson had gotten the nod then he might have been able to pull off a Tory majority, but Labour will have a real chance in the next GE assuming the PLP stop acting like spoiled children.
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Stabbatical posted:Going back a few pages but I had no idea about this. I didn't realise anyone (close to power) in this country/soon to be ex-union still thought abortion should be illegal. Genuinely, I thought that this was a settled issue in the establishment. None of the Conservative party members I've known have ever cared enough to mention it, and neither have most of the Catholics.
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Pissflaps posted:Not sure what to think now. Perhaps the lie he's observing is your suggesting someone has suggested Corbyn was going to win a general election. Wait, MrL_JaKiri posted:This is also wrong I yield the floor.
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Very different world now, Cameron was a useless shite but he could almost play the part of a charismatic statesman, the current line-up for Tory leader have the collective charm and charisma of a rotting fish. If Johnson had gotten the nod then he might have been able to pull off a Tory majority, but Labour will have a real chance in the next GE assuming the PLP stop acting like spoiled children. Disagree. May is a good 'manager' and has actually done stuff in her cabinet position, unlike DC.. PLUS its stuff that will endear her to Leave voters.
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I think Corbyn can win a GE. But then again by 2020 literally anyone is going to be able to win a GE as the Labour Candidate because poo poo is going to be hosed.
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dispatch_async posted:To be more specific about just how useless polling is: I'd be reluctant to compare polling performance for a one-off referendum with polling for Westminster voting intention.
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Tesseraction posted:45: the time the best government in recent history got into power coffeetable posted:moving the threshold down from 24 wks has some electoral traction, but abolishing it is a non-starter. 93% of the population support it. they'd have more luck bringing back hanging
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dispatch_async posted:To be more specific about just how useless polling is: https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/746086000514969604 The only people worth believing.
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Pissflaps posted:Are we now back to pretending that Corbyn can win a general election after all? Normally there's a consensus that he cannot, only a difference of opinion over whether that matters or not. I think the complete and utter mess that is the Labour leadership coup means that Labour cannot win the next general election under any leader. The PLP's complete incompetence has destroyed the only real argument they had for him going because who the hell is going to trust that bunch of jokers to run a country if this is how they handle a leadership struggle. It's telling that the anti-Corbyn numbers in Labour voters/members look much better when it's a nebulous "other" candidate (i.e. they can project their ideal candidate into the answer) but dissipates into 20+ point margins of victory for Corbyn when they actually put any name to them. This was all utterly predictable and has shown that the chief architects of the coup are driven by sheer animosity towards Corbyn and the left rather than the pragmatic concerns of being A Government In WaitingTM. The fact is that they did not want a win under Corbyn at any cost and are burning down the Labour party instead.
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pointsofdata posted:The only group Corbin is popular with is labour party members (possibly including some green/SWP voters). Labour voters and even Unite members think he's doing a bad job! Oh you're doing this now too. Is this a shibboleth or something.
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