UKMT July 2016 - Thank you very much. Do doooooo do do. Right.

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CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

it's essentially saying "if there was no negative campaigning against a person I'd prefer them" because, yes, of course. that's why we have negative campaigning.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:06

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Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Friendly Humour posted:

Hi, why don't you think corbin would win a general election? Do you have something against corbin personally?

Because he's Pissflaps and he doesn't like Corbyn. End of story, really.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:08

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Baron Corbyn posted:

I remember in the run up to the Oldham by-election, all the Labour types there were chicken littling about people on the doorsteps saying Corbyn bad and claiming UKIP were going to run away with it. They were doing the same thing in Tooting, a marginal seat that was pretty high up on the Conservative target seats in the 2015 election. Labour won it with a doubled majority though it rightfully didn't get much attention on account of it being on the day Jo Cox was murdered.

I don't think polling was conducted for either of these by-elections.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:08

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Friendly Humour posted:

Hi, why don't you think corbin would win a general election? Do you have something against corbin personally?

the most recent favourability polling had him managing to just beat cameron's favourability, and that was immediately after the panama papers

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/u3c9cyqvdv/InternalResults_1600407_Approval_W.pdf

the time before that he had the worst labour leader favourabilities in 60 years

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:09

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

Pistol_Pete posted:

Labour is in a very difficult position in that it now needs to appeal to 3 very different groups of voters in order to win. The traditional working class, who tend to be socially conservative and tended to vote Brexit; more socially liberal city dwellers, who tended to vote remain and reasonably well-off voters in the SE, who tend to vote Tory but can be persuaded to switch to Labour in the right circumstances.

Right now, Labour has metropolitan types pretty well sewn-up, is having very considerably greater difficulties with traditional Labour voters, who are tending to switch to Ukip or switch off politics altogether and isn't making any headway at all with moderate Tory voters. What leadership candidate and strategy could appeal to all 3 groups, I really don't know. Perhaps a Labour split IS inevitable?

David Miliband would get two out of three and with the right humility and policies could take the northern working class too.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:09

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

brian posted:

can you like provide said evidence instead of making allusions and prove that it's representative and not cherry picked opinions because I'm honestly looking for more than this sort of political shitposting where everyone assumes everyone else either believes what they believe or is hilariously misinformed and naive

To be clear: you're asking me to provide links to polling data that shows Jeremy Corbyn's lack of popularity, and the lack of popularity of Labour under Jeremy Corbyn?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:10

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

Pissflaps posted:

To be clear: you're asking me to provide links to polling data that shows Jeremy Corbyn's lack of popularity, and the lack of popularity of Labour under Jeremy Corbyn?

Why do you think Corbin is unpopular?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:11

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Breath Ray posted:

David Miliband would get two out of three and with the right humility and policies could take the northern working class too.

IDK David Miliband's a little too... gurny. I figure he'd get the same treatment as his brother.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:11

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Friendly Humour posted:

Hi, why don't you think corbin would win a general election? Do you have something against corbin personally?

He's a bad leader and people won't vote for Labour under him,

The longer he hangs on, and the more damage he does, the more i find myself disliking him personally.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:11

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

man its depressing how all the Corbyn racism/antisemitism stuff is lifted straight out of the Karl Rove playbook and nobody notices or cares

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:12

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Pistol_Pete posted:

Labour is in a very difficult position in that it now needs to appeal to 3 very different groups of voters in order to win. The traditional working class, who tend to be socially conservative and tended to vote Brexit; more socially liberal city dwellers, who tended to vote remain and reasonably well-off voters in the SE, who tend to vote Tory but can be persuaded to switch to Labour in the right circumstances.

Right now, Labour has metropolitan types pretty well sewn-up, is having very considerably greater difficulties with traditional Labour voters, who are tending to switch to Ukip or switch off politics altogether and isn't making any headway at all with moderate Tory voters. What leadership candidate and strategy could appeal to all 3 groups, I really don't know. Perhaps a Labour split IS inevitable?

What Labour need to be doing is going against austerity and challenging the 'common sense' notion that the deficit is A Bad Thing. There is a tonne of evidence for this from serious economists, not to mention the fact that the US and Spain are growing while not seriously cutting which Portugal, Greece, Ireland and the UK have seen their debts increase under austerity. They should be stripping the title of "the good economics party" from the Tories but i'm honestly not sure if the Blairites actually want to go back on austerity at this point.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:12

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

Pissflaps posted:

He's a bad leader and people won't vote for Labour under him,

The longer he hangs on, and the more damage he does, the more i find myself disliking him personally.

qhat posted:

pissflap: Because he won't. And yes I do.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:13

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Tesseraction posted:

IDK David Miliband's a little too... gurny. I figure he'd get the same treatment as his brother.

Banana pic?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:13

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

Pissflaps posted:

He's a bad leader and people won't vote for Labour under him,

The longer he hangs on, and the more damage he does, the more i find myself disliking him personally.

Oh I see! Why won't people vote for corbin? Why don't you like him personally?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:13

radmonger: Jun 6, 2011

DesperateDan posted:

At the core of the argument, right at the core is the idea that if your mother popped you out in a particular place it should affect your employment rights.

Place of birth also shouldn't affect human rights. The solution to the problem implied by that 'should' is not to barrel-bomb Birmingham.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:14

Oh dear clone: Apr 8, 2016

Breath Ray posted:

David Miliband would get two out of three

I would certainly never vote for him. The Labour Party rejected him. What makes you think he has any appeal?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:14

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

I might be okay with barrel bombing Birmingham actually

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:14

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

Breath Ray posted:

David Miliband would get two out of three and with the right humility and policies could take the northern working class too.

the absurdly ott praise for david milliband amongst the labour right will never stop being funny to me, its somehow becoming a key part of their identity - I think its so they can believe that blairism never failed, they were just robbed by Ed and the unions (never mind that the inability to convince the unions in that election was in itself a failure of blairism - how can it work without union support, how do they fund the party etc)

e: ^^ go gently caress yourself

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:16

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Pissflaps posted:

He's a bad leader and people won't vote for Labour under him,

The longer he hangs on, and the more damage he does, the more i find myself disliking him personally.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:16

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

Oh dear clone posted:

I would certainly never vote for him. The Labour Party rejected him. What makes you think he has any appeal?

Hes Blairite. And given their gift for backing losers im not worrying about who the labour party rejects!

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:17

ukle: Nov 28, 2005

Mr. Flunchy posted:

man its depressing how all the Corbyn racism/antisemitism stuff is lifted straight out of the Karl Rove playbook and nobody notices or cares

Because the general populous are idiots and fall for it every time. Its the core of why Corbyn is unelectable as its so loving easy to do these kind of tactics against him and the general populous has shown time and time again they lap it up, its also why a large section of the populous are anti-'socialist' now as they have been fed story after story about benefit scroungers etc that they believe them without doing any investigation.

Unfortunately we live in a time of sound bite politics as a significant proportion of the populous don't appear to have the attention span any-more / or a desire to get involved and really investigate the story themselves.

Labour needs a leader who will work with that world unfortunately. Its why McDonnell would be a good leader as he gets it, but there is sod all chance of him becoming Leader.

ukle fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jul 4, 2016

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:21

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Kurtofan posted:

Banana pic?

Yeah, things like that.

I mean compare:

wonky nana, strange eye position, goofy mouth

with

phwoar lookit the size a that, she's impressed, he's impressed, yeeee boi

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:22

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Welp

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# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:23

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Damnit beaten.

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# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:24

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

so uh is it a coincidence that British right-wing politicians either look like robots or severely inbred in every single loving picture

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:25

jiggerypokery: Feb 1, 2012; ...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

Whoever mentioned Mark Blyth on youtube earlier, thank you. I really enjoyed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuHSQXxsjM. Felt a bit hyperbolic but he makes a very compelling case.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:25

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

ukle posted:

Labour needs a leader who will work with that world unfortunately. Its why McDonnell would be a good leader as he gets it, but there is sod all chance of him becoming Leader.

As long as he refrains from bringing the red book to parliament again, yeah.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:25

Oh dear clone: Apr 8, 2016

Breath Ray posted:

Hes Blairite. And given their gift for backing losers im not worrying about who the labour party rejects!

Have you just awoken from a 15-year sleep? Everyone rejects Blair now, especially UKIP voters.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:26

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

For the good of the health of UKMT, please take any General Election 2020 chat to C-Spam. Feel free to discuss current poo poo actually happening with the parties, but "Can Corbyn/May/Farage win a GE?" needs to go because holy poo poo it has gotten tedious.

There, fairly warned. I'm probating anyone who feels they're above this warning. You may now all curse my name.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:27

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

Pissflaps posted:

To be clear: you're asking me to provide links to polling data that shows Jeremy Corbyn's lack of popularity, and the lack of popularity of Labour under Jeremy Corbyn?

Any and all really, preferably with information on the methods used and questions asked and whatnot

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:27

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

Oh dear clone posted:

Have you just awoken from a 15-year sleep? Everyone rejects Blair now, especially UKIP voters.

Liking Blair, the person, has nothing to do with liking Blairism, the social ideology.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:28

PiCroft: Jun 11, 2010; I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

I can't remember if it was here or the Brexit thread but people were saying that Osborne cancelling the 2020 surplus pledge was a sign that they'd finally abandoned austerity. Have I woken up in a Silent Hill of stupidity or do people really think that the Tories are abandoning austerity because of the EU result?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:28

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Whereas on the other side we've got:

good, dignified, classy dress, intellectual post

meanwhile

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:28

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

brian posted:

Any and all really, preferably with information on the methods used and questions asked and whatnot

Nice try Brian, but your comedy regdate can't distract me so much that I can't spot a classic time waste troll when i see one.

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:29

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah, things like that.

I mean compare:

wonky nana, strange eye position, goofy mouth

with

phwoar lookit the size a that, she's impressed, he's impressed, yeeee boi

he's got a thingie shaped like a turnip

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:29

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

PiCroft posted:

I can't remember if it was here or the Brexit thread but people were saying that Osborne cancelling the 2020 surplus pledge was a sign that they'd finally abandoned austerity. Have I woken up in a Silent Hill of stupidity or do people really think that the Tories are abandoning austerity because of the EU result?

We're in Silent Hill. I'm one of those leg monsters from 2

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:30

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

Pissflaps posted:

Nice try Brian, but your comedy regdate can't distract me so much that I can't spot a classic time waste troll when i see one.

??? I registered in 2002 if it helps?

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:30

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

Oh dear clone posted:

Have you just awoken from a 15-year sleep? Everyone rejects Blair now, especially UKIP voters.

I didn't say Blair silly. Anyway in current news the FTSE 250 is down just 4.6% compared to the day before the referendum. Looks like we got away with it!

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:31

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Tesseraction posted:

We're in Silent Hill. I'm one of those leg monsters from 2

i'm one of those dogs that surprises you but is pretty much harmless

(pissflaps is the vagina monster, all of them)

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:32

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qhat: Jul 6, 2015

Breath Ray posted:

I didn't say Blair silly. Anyway in current news the FTSE 250 is down just 4.6% compared to the day before the referendum. Looks like we got away with it!

how much is sterling down from the day before the referendum

# ? Jul 4, 2016 14:32

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