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dex_sda posted:How do you reconcile that with the fact that you want the only person who can currently reasonably claim to have a mandate to resign? He's the only person with such a mandate: leadership election processes select a single person. I want him to resign because he's bad at the job he was elected to do. I'm not sure why you think this is contradictory.
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Pissflaps posted:Because winning the Labour leadership does not directly correlate with the ability to lead Labour or win a general election. A beacon of knowledge and understanding, patiently moving forward, breaking through the stubborn ice that stands between him and his destination? Unexpectedly high praise, especially from a non-Labour boater
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dex_sda posted:How do you reconcile that with the fact that you want the only person who can currently reasonably claim to have a mandate to resign?
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Good thread boys. Love having the same dumb argument with pissflaps 50 times in a week.
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Pissflaps posted:He's the only person with such a mandate: leadership election processes select a single person. I want him to resign because he's bad at the job he was elected to do. What bad did corbin?
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qhat posted:95% of people I've spoken to IRL who voted leave citing DEMOCRACY are unable to name a single piece of EU legislation or even know anything about the EU parliament. I found one who went on about fishing, they didn't understand anything about fishing nor do they fish themself, but the know that our fish industry is robbed by Spain. They could not explain how.
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Suggesting that democractric processes don't always produce the best result isn't usually a difficult concept for this thread to grasp.
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I heard back from my MP on Corbs. He confirms what he wrote in the local rag, voted to support him, but thinks his position has become untenable, would welcome a leadership election. I asked him to clarify two things, whether he thinks it's the PLP's fault, which is implied but not stated, and what he thinks would happen if there was such an election and Corbyn won. gently caress's sake can the PLP just get over themselves and do their drat jobs?
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standard life has suspended redemptions on it's $2bn UK property fund https://www.theguardian.com/busines...4b0243071e32bea lmao
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Pissflaps posted:Suggesting that democractric processes don't always produce the best result isn't usually a difficult concept for this thread to grasp.  Don't worry, someone at the guardian will legal-gymnastic a way that suggests his leadership was illegal to begin with before too long.
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"Corbyn's such a bad leader he's not even in this poll, any other labour leader would be storming them." Sorry about that, I'm a medium and I sometimes get possessed by the PLP
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coffeetable posted:standard life has suspended redemptions on it's $2bn UK property fund Lol
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Massive after market news - Standard Life has suspended trading in its UK Real Estate fund. https://twitter.com/econbuttonwood/status/749990990153453568/photo/1 Likely due to significant attempts to withdraw from the fund, and thus putting it at risk due to they are difficult to get money out of. Think similar funds closing up were one of the first warning signs in 2007.
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Pissflaps posted:What is their job? Opposing the loving government. Or it was, until they ran away from it like petulant children who didn't want to do their homework.
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I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign?
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thespaceinvader posted:Opposing the loving government. Or it was, until they ran away from it like petulant children who didn't want to do their homework. I believe their job is to represent their constituents. Something presumably a lot of them feel they could do better with somebody else leading the party they're a member of.
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baka kaba posted:It sure is OldMemes I've got a lot of fools on ignore at this point, has anyone unironically trotted out the old "he's making a mockery of the game" stick?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? Piisflaps got this. He's got lots of good ideas
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? Angela Eagle has been coming close to announcing she was running and then giving Corbyn a few more days to think about it for a week now.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? The Parliamentary Labour Party passed a vote of no confidence against Corbyn last week, but have still to officially name a single candidate to challenge Corbyn in a leadership contest. Since then, Corbyn has received lots of bad press because he refuses to resign owing to an overwhelming mandate from labour party members, a mandate which will likely crush any other candidate in a contest.
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qhat posted:Seems like they're expecting a big property crash. typically funds keep >20% of their value in cash to avoid this kind of thing. but guess what's dropped by >20% in the last week! that's right: everything remotely related to uk property
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Pissflaps posted:I believe their job is to represent their constituents. That's their role as an MP, if they feel that Labour no longer offers their constituents the best they can get then perhaps they should consider leaving or actually having a loving challenger to say is better than Jeremy Corbyn.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? Nope. They are all cowards, or allies of Corbyn's as they realise what the wider PLP is doing is loving stupid. Eagle is poo poo and will be crucified in the media unfortunately if she was leader. There are good leadership candidates in Labour but they all realise its idiotic to try to take the job like this - as anyone with enough ability to run a political party should realise.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? Of course they haven't, there isn't one. It's all just pre-chilcot white noise.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I only keep up with this thread sparingly: has Labour come up with a single likely candidate to better lead the party than Corbyn? Or has it been repeated FUD and calls to resign, then complaints at lack of confidence in him due to his refusal to resign? Certainly they can't find anyone who is likely to win against him, and nobody who will dare try and get absolutely crushed. Bizzarely the man who persists in carrying out his democratic mandate in the face of adversity is a weak leader while the people who won't put their career on the line for what they believe in or organize a coup with the support of the media and the better part of a year to plan, insist that they would be better at the job.
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Pissflaps posted:He's the only person with such a mandate: leadership election processes select a single person. I want him to resign because he's bad at the job he was elected to do. This is going a bit into the math of voting, but an above 50% approval rate (which Corbyn is at now) in elections for more than 2 candidates implies a possible Condorcet winner, which is the most overwhelming mandate, something rarely heard of in most democratic votes, and simultaneously something of a democratic choice's ideal. This implication is fully confirmed by actual 1v1 polls about the Labour leadership. Also, his percentages improved during the time he was leader, until this shitshow with the PLP! His mandate is so strong, it is ludicrous to claim anyone else would have it if he resigned.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/55f4a6f6-3eab-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html#axzz4DSjCSS6Mquote:Student loan debt rose £12.6bn, or 17 per cent, to £86.2bn in the past year, as the first cohort of students to pay higher fees graduated.
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gently caress it guys, i'll run for Lab leader on a platform of replacing the current manifesto with the 1848 Communist Manifesto. We'll figure out specific policies as we go forward, but always guided by the spirit of Marx (pbuh).
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Oberleutnant posted:gently caress it guys, i'll run for Lab leader on a platform of replacing the current manifesto with the 1848 Communist Manifesto. We'll figure out specific policies as we go forward, but always guided by the spirit of Marx (pbuh). I'd vote for you.
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qhat posted:Seems like they're expecting a big property crash. Awesome . Lets see the old fucks who voted for this get it really stuck to them 
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feedmegin posted:Awesome . Lets see the old fucks who voted for this get it really stuck to them My dad was saying to me yesterday that he's keen to maintain the value of his property Ironic, considering he voted leave because of musli- I mean democracy
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Ah cool another xenophobic piece of poo poo tory, or someone prepared to pander to them. Marvellous.
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/55f4a6f6-3eab-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html#axzz4DSjCSS6M
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qhat posted:Seems like they're expecting a big property crash.
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As a 25 yo homeowner 
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