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Thing is, I guess Valve can't be held accountable for how players use their virtual skins. So the US Gov't would have to crack down on the third party gambling sites. And then all players have to do is use sites based out of other countries. Can it really be like Black Friday where the sites/programs themselves co-operate to block US-based Steam accounts? Seems almost impossible. Especially since most of these sites are practically just basement run and are incredibly easy to set up.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:12
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SELL SELL SELL
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Goofballs posted:So steam nuked his site. Good. Actually, the moe thing was legit. The owner of the site could view the rolls, but in no way could manipulate them. No scam to be had. I think it's less that the sites aren't legitimate in their working/probabilities, it's that they're marketing them in improper ways to kids who are influenced by what they see. Not to say that if they'd have said "Syndicate and I started our own site, it's legit, we think you'll like it." they would have funneled just as many impressionable young players to lose their skins there.
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Jeza posted:Thing is, I guess Valve can't be held accountable for how players use their virtual skins. So the US Gov't would have to crack down on the third party gambling sites. And then all players have to do is use sites based out of other countries. Can it really be like Black Friday where the sites/programs themselves co-operate to block US-based Steam accounts? Seems almost impossible. Especially since most of these sites are practically just basement run and are incredibly easy to set up. Yeah I think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think the US or even any state district courts are going to step in on this, it's such small potatoes and there are not even any bank transactions to take action on here, because it's all loving pixels. In the case of black Friday the government got cooperation by seizing tons of accounts claiming violations of the wire act. The international sites did not cooperate just because they thought it was the right thing to do. US has even less jurisdiction over loving csgolotto or whatever which I guarantee operates out of some goons basement in a foreign country and likely has zero international banking transactions, much less millions of dollars worth.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:24
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it is cool when nerds foam at the mouth because of the hehe productions guy though
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Will be happy to take any knives people are trying to liquidate before the skinpocalypse for a princely $1
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EvilBeard posted:Actually, the moe thing was legit. The owner of the site could view the rolls, but in no way could manipulate them. No scam to be had. How dense are you? More was given the results of his rolls before he could put down a bet. He knew the outcome before he could place the bet. If you don't think that gives you the ability to scam then do I have some Nigerian gold to sell you grandma.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:45
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I switched to 16:9 this weekend after over 10 years of playing on 4:3, feels good to get an ace on it after a short period. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILugwMPaGyM&feature=youtu.be
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Google Butt posted:I didn't watch the vape nation guy vid, but will legal action really be taken against anyone or will the government just shut it down? There is a class action suit on the go but given that it had a thread on reddit who knows how serious it is. I really wish valve would cut out the legal fun and games pretending that skins have no value so they aren't responsible for poo poo. The courts might let them with legal jiu jitsu in the short term but in the medium legislation isn't going to look kindly on it. You know in countries that have functioning legislative branches of government like here in the EU. EvilBeard posted:Actually, the moe thing was legit. The owner of the site could view the rolls, but in no way could manipulate them. No scam to be had. No one claimed that his results weren't random just that he knew them in advance. The he would bet the farm on rolls he knew he was going to win to excite the stream and if he knew he was going to lose he would put in some piss amount and give little attention to the outcome. To a totally logical computer person equal weight might be given to all data but to a stupid teenager it looks like winning big is way more common than it is. Like if you bet the farm on a 1% chance over and over and win often its going to look a lot less like a true 1% chance. Goofballs fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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gigawhite posted:I do wonder what'll happen to the price of skins if all of these gambling sites get shut down they will undeniably go down the toilet, along with a sizeable chunk of the playerbase fortunately, the part of the playerbase that will leave is likely to be the Scholl Canyon Landfill of csgo that care too much about skins
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the only things valve should really be penalized for imo is the crate system which is suspiciously close to gambling, and having some of their majors sponsored/linked somehow to gambling websites. their providing apis and poo poo seems like its out of their hands how its used, especially since there is no real cash in the transaction, just item trades. it still seems like a gray area, but crates are a much darker shade of gray id rather see taken care of first. i also know its not the point of this debacle but i like how people go "KIDS ARE GETTING HOOKED UP ON GAMBLING" and not addressing that kids shouldn't have had access to the game in the first place. This is neither an excuse nor an argument for gambling, but i only ever see it used like that, and it pisses me off a bit. Hope that after the fallout from skin nonsense that gets looked into.
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The only other loophole I could see Valve using is saying that everyone wins when opening a crate unlike slot machines.
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Gambling seems like a harder vice than videogames. Like you might let your 12 year old nephew play gta 5 but you aren't going to give him a hit off the bong or pour him a whiskey. That's where I'd have gambling at. I don't own any of the anime masturbation games that are all over steam but I wouldn't let the hypothetical nephew play those because that's my desk, carpet and chair.
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Jul 4, 2016 21:31
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One will feel better about losing when you just admit that CS is not a good video game and never was.
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ArfJason posted:
Huh? It's a game that is more or less suitable for teenagers. That's not an issue. Gambling, on the other hand, short circuits the underdeveloped reward pathways that teenagers have. From a physiological perspective, gambling is very unhealthy for teenagers.
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well, yeah! like i said in the post, its not the focus, and shouldn't be, and it's not an argument for gambling Its just that its kinda weird everyone talks about how kids play this when its an m game and its violent and poo poo we wanna protect and think of the children, i just hope this can lead into someone looking into it, after the gambling issue is properly taken care of
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Jul 4, 2016 21:59
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The catch 22 of the whole thing is that the pro scene would be a lot weaker if we didn't have all these 23 year olds who have been playing since they were 12, so I don't know which way I fall on this one. I don't like having children on my team but the violence in the game is pretty mild in comparison to anything else. If anything, the M is justified because of the language you hear over VoIP and the verbal abuse that goes on.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:05
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Google Butt posted:twitch banning all on stream gambling would go a long way Too many companies have a horse in the race for them to actually react to scummy behaviour. It's the same reason Valve whitelists gambling site's bots and twitch allows lovely streamers.
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Counterstrike is basically a video game Cops n Robbers, and the violence is pretty sterile. I don't see it being much worse then most playground games kids play. Not to mention this argument is pretty silly, considering how accessible adult content is nowadays. Just last week, my cousin caught her youngsters (7 years old) watching pregnant fetish MLP cartoons on YouTube because they didn't know any better :l
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Jul 4, 2016 22:20
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ArfJason posted:
Dota 2 is like E10 and has crate gambling
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Famethrowa posted:Counterstrike is basically a video game Cops n Robbers, and the violence is pretty sterile. I don't see it being much worse then most playground games kids play. at least you found out that autism is hereditary 
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Smithereens posted:at least you found out that autism is hereditary 
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Im sad that there isn't a 10 hour video of people losing to csgo gambling websites. Guess I will spend my 4th of july actually playing the drat game. WHO IS WITH ME!?
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slavatuvs posted:Dota 2 is like E10 and has crate gambling Thats why i pointed out its more important to stop valves crate nonsense
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Google Butt posted:it is cool when nerds foam at the mouth because of the hehe productions guy though Him and the guy with the nasally voice who does the surf videos suck really hard
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Audax posted:How dense are you? More was given the results of his rolls before he could put down a bet. He knew the outcome before he could place the bet. If you don't think that gives you the ability to scam then do I have some Nigerian gold to sell you grandma. You are dumb as poo poo. Moe would be given his future rolls to advertise the site. Basically, he'd win so his viewers would see that and want to use that site. So the owner gave Moe money (the winnings he would make plus the free money to "gamble") to drive users to the site. The site he was on does not have coin flips or head to head gambling. It's simply betting on random numbers. There's no way to scam because the rolls cannot be modified, by anyone. There's literally no way to be scammed. All that matters is what you gamble on VS the number that you're preordained to roll. It's not like he would know the heads or tails flip and could abuse other users. Seriously, loving think man.
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It will be good to have the steam guide section back again (handy for quickly finding common smokes mid-game). There's bots who upvote ads for gambling websites.
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EvilBeard posted:You are dumb as poo poo. Moe would be given his future rolls to advertise the site. Basically, he'd win so his viewers would see that and want to use that site. So the owner gave Moe money (the winnings he would make plus the free money to "gamble") to drive users to the site. Pretending a gambling site is an easy way to make money by faking the odds, and getting paid to shill for said site, is a scam 
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Smithereens posted:at least you found out that autism is hereditary loving savage my main man. u should go to prison for that one XD
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ArfJason posted:nah
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How is this hard to understand. If you take a 1% chance to win bet and win it a bunch of times in a row with a big song and dance you confuse the gullible tweeners into thinking its likely that they will win 1% chance bets but they won't because they don't know which one out of a 100 roles will have them winning. They just lose everything after x amount of 1% chance roles in a row. Its not about tricking people who understand probability its about preying on the ignorant and easily led. To paraphrase someone I dislike he was the guy who wins at 3 card monte before the idiot bystander gets invited to play.
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EvilBeard posted:You are dumb as poo poo. Moe would be given his future rolls to advertise the site. Basically, he'd win so his viewers would see that and want to use that site. So the owner gave Moe money (the winnings he would make plus the free money to "gamble") to drive users to the site. hi moe
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Give me mg2 already valve, I was nova one like last week and want my rank
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I want to get my globus back when times comes that I don't work a schedule that leaves me with a total of three days off in a three week span 
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