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In a world of mana dorks and rampy green things Searing Blood was one of my favourite feel good cards
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On a completely different note, I want to make a meme about Maro going around doing douchebag stuff and when called on it, his response is always to ask you to be respectful of the story Maro drinks all your beer? Please don't be disrespectful of the story Maro takes a huge poo poo and leaves the toilet clogged? Please don't be disrespectful of the story Maro changes lanes without signaling? Please don't be disrespectful of the story
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Jul 4, 2016 22:31
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Exiling instead of killing is a legitimately large power difference (format dependent). If this card and Lightning Strike were in the same Standard and you didn't want 8 of the effect, the one you played more of would be metagame dependent. The complaining about this card is very strange to me, the card is fine.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:32
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Tubgoat posted:Because if it was instant, you could just hold onto it and burn face at end of turn if you didn't need it to kill a creature or planeswalker. Red is impulsive and lacks forethought, instant burn would be COMPLETELY out of flavor for red. Now, if it cost 1U and did 3 to the dome or a critter, instant would be entirely fine. All the nominally good blue draw spells are sorceries right now, fyi Green plays better than blue or red at instant speed in standard
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Jul 4, 2016 22:33
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Tubgoat posted:Because if it was instant, you could just hold onto it and burn face at end of turn if you didn't need it to kill a creature or planeswalker. Red is impulsive and lacks forethought, instant burn would be COMPLETELY out of flavor for red. Now, if it cost 1U and did 3 to the dome or a critter, instant would be entirely fine. See now your earlier argument feels disingenuous.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:37
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Elyv posted:Exiling instead of killing is a legitimately large power difference (format dependent). If this card and Lightning Strike were in the same Standard and you didn't want 8 of the effect, the one you played more of would be metagame dependent. The complaining about this card is very strange to me, the card is fine. Instant speed is more powerful than exiling in the card in question.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:37
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A standard in which I don't want 8 Volcanic Hammer/Lightning Strike is a standard I'm taking Friday-Saturday off to play. Draw at sorcery and loot at instant feels on-flavor and respectful of power level.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:39
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rabidsquid posted:See now your earlier argument feels disingenuous. Did you ever see the respective burn spells that RoboRosewater generated for blue and red, based on the themes/information it gathered from real Magic cards?
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Jul 4, 2016 22:42
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Please don't cite roborosewater to make any kind of point relating to real magic.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:49
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The last burn spell that was at instant speed and wasn't a shock variant was Mindswipe. Think about that for a second.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:52
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Eh, gently caress it. I am jamming lily no matter what. I am going to play g/b/w control with delirium value town stuff. Maybe I can figure a way to have a enough creatures to make the minus turn it into card advantage.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:53
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sarmhan posted:Please don't cite roborosewater to make any kind of point relating to real magic. But you don't understand! If we can't play legacy Burn in every standard format, Magic is ruined forever and roborosewater proves it! Mountainspalk is too powerful. Edit: lol at anyone who whines about blue in standard.
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Tubgoat posted:Did you ever see the respective burn spells that RoboRosewater generated for blue and red, based on the themes/information it gathered from real Magic cards? i sincerely don't know what you're trying to say with this question
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Jul 4, 2016 22:54
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Count Bleck posted:The last burn spell that was at instant speed and wasn't a shock variant was Mindswipe.   This isn't even counting the multiple burn commons that are instants, but are targeted at limited.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:56
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sarmhan posted:Please don't cite roborosewater to make any kind of point relating to real magic. mandatory lesbian posted:i sincerely don't know what you're trying to say with this question   When exposed to printed-in-real-life Magic: The Gathering cards, an admittedly-not-as-sophisticated-as-now bot that generates Magic: The Gathering cards decided this is about the power level appropriate for cards of each of these colors. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 22:58
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sarmhan posted:Did you even think about this for 2 seconds? No, actually.  Also to be fair, Draconic Roar is only a burn spell if I have a dragon.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:59
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Tubgoat posted:You can learn quite a lot about your own culture from how other cultures view it.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:59
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Angry Grimace posted:
I'm calling this for most Begrudingly Playable card of the set for Standard. It will show up in a bunch of red decks but no one will be excited to be including it.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:59
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suicidesteve posted:Edit: lol at anyone who whines about blue in standard. there are currently, like, 3 or 4 playable blue cards in standard and blue isn't the main color of any standard deck atm, they have a point even if they're also scum of the earth for wanting to play counterspells or something
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Jul 4, 2016 23:08
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Entropic posted:I'm calling this for most Begrudingly Playable card of the set for Standard. It will show up in a bunch of red decks but no one will be excited to be including it. Counterpoint: It can't be playable if red isn't.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:08
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Entropic posted:I'm calling this for most Begrudingly Playable card of the set for Standard. It will show up in a bunch of red decks but no one will be excited to be including it. That was what I thought as I saw it. I'll play it, but I won't like it 
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Jul 4, 2016 23:08
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sarmhan posted:Jesus christ. Is a bot that spams random combinations of words and phrases found on magic cards 'another culture' now? No, but Norway is, and their slang for "crazy" is "Texas."
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Jul 4, 2016 23:12
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I started back up in gatecrash, I only was disappointed with dragons maze. I had a fun time during both sides of that rotation. I do miss my gruul 3 drop deck though.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:13
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Lmao at all the angst in this thread. Lots of terrible armchair developers spouting off total poo poo.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:17
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sarmhan posted:Jesus christ. Is a bot that spams random combinations of words and phrases found on magic cards 'another culture' now? We're not seeing the full unfettered output of roborosewater, we're just seeing the output as filtered by the lens of its curator. So if the curator's a magic player, he's going to pick things that are funny or make sense in the context of M:tG, hence the weird interactions and "blue gets everything" meme. Lightning bolt coming back was a special event in the eyes of WotC. They were drumming up interest in M10 and kept it around for a year after in M11. Lightning Bolt wasn't at the regular power level of what standard "should" get, but standard is something of a oil patch floating on the ocean that experiences ebbs and flows of power for different parts of it depending on the card pool. poo poo even the definition for what standard should get changes over time.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Lmao at all the angst in this thread. Lots of terrible armchair developers spouting off total poo poo. *shrug* I think the set has a lot of neat cards that won't matter because none of them are as good as Advocate onto Nissa into Gideon.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:19
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Fish Of Doom posted:Lol at everyone being so angry in this thread. Liliana is good and will definitely see play in standard. Just thought I'd pop in to say that Ashiok was irrelevant in Standard as most goons predicted with no one really saying anything on Modern where Ashiok actually managed to float as an alternate win condition for a while. Elspeth was generally regarded well by the topic for Standard. Jace was only knocked by the three numerically top posters of the thread while everyone else thought he was moderate or good. Sorin was similarly thought of as quite powerful by the majority of the thread. Chandra got poo poo on though for being a Chandra card though she hasn't seen all that much play anyway. *fart*
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^^^ Your post prompted me to look up Chandra, Flamecaller and I am thrilled that she's < again. ^^^As thoroughly disappointed as I am that red aggro is not currently standard playable, I really really like this set overall and the Night Vale-esque horrors are imaginative and well-designed for the most part, and DFCBFM (double-face card Big Furry Monster) as I shall continue to call it is the coolest cardgame concept I have ever seen and I really hope it's well-received by the masses so we can see it come back someday. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 23:22
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Lmao at all the angst in this thread. Lots of terrible armchair developers spouting off total poo poo. Unlike the non-armchair developers, who know exactly what they're doing.  Avacyn: Not A Mistake
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Jul 4, 2016 23:24
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Count Bleck posted:No, actually. There have been two rare fireballs in the past two sets. I played against a guy playing Mono-R Goggles at a GP trial two weeks ago. He used the red vessel to ramp a turn 3 goggles into lots more burn. It was a cool deck.
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Tubgoat posted:When exposed to printed-in-real-life Magic: The Gathering cards, an admittedly-not-as-sophisticated-as-now bot that generates Magic: The Gathering cards decided this is about the power level appropriate for cards of each of these colors. Do you know anything at all about recurrent neural nets other than "computer learns things"?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Unlike the non-armchair developers, who know exactly what they're doing. TBF I don't think Avacyn actually shows up in Bant Humans. So only 40% of the meta. (pushes my Avacyn-laden UW Humans deck under rug with foot) e: also probably in a couple of those WB Control decks
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The real reason is that if it was an instant then it would be able to kill a Gisela resurrected by bruna before they voltronned, and uncommons aren't allowed to make players with mythic cards feel bad.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Do you know anything at all about recurrent neural nets other than "computer learns things"? Nope. Lay it on me, Slick.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:34
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I want this to be a real card so bad
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Jul 4, 2016 23:40
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80s James Hetfield posted:I want this to be a real card so bad I'd splash for it. It'd be printed at mythic though, and it would only go up from its preorder price of 300 USD.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:42
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Tubgoat posted:Nope. Lay it on me, Slick. It doesn't know anything about colour balance or the colour pie. It just makes a best guess what word/character (probably character given Montainspalk) comes next, given the last few words/characters with probabilities derived from the result of the "learning" process. It has no understanding of what the cards actually mean or do, and so a question of balancing to colour doesn't enter into it.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It doesn't know anything about colour balance or the colour pie. It just makes a best guess what word/character (probably character given Montainspalk) comes next, given the last few words/characters with probabilities derived from the result of the "learning" process. It has no understanding of what the cards actually mean or do, and so a question of balancing to colour doesn't enter into it. Alright, thanks! I now return to my regularly scheduled regretting not being able to draft this set.  v v That makes a lot more sense, I was never able to follow much of it, I just saw insurmountable walls of text interspersed with the occasional RNN-generated card. I'd really like to see more of the complete word salad ones that can't be parsed within the rules framework, like a Magic-playing Sarah Palin. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Tubgoat posted:You can learn quite a lot about your own culture from how other cultures view it. Uh i don't know how to break this to you dude but if you checked the original thread that made RoboRosewater you'll see that the network smashes out hundreds of cards per day and that the twitter account just picks the ones they think are funniest.
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Entropic posted:I'm calling this for most Begrudingly Playable card of the set for Standard. It will show up in a bunch of red decks but no one will be excited to be including it. Murder is also probably going to see play over ruinous path just because its an instant.
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