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OwlFancier posted:Aren't anarcho-syndicalism and marxist-leninism literally the opposite of each other? Right authoritarian corner only electable corner.
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qhat posted:have you even seen what andrea leadsom votes for I've seen what May does in government and I don't have a moral yardstick long enough to reach that far down into the depths of depravity and precisely measure which of them is lower.
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OwlFancier posted:I've seen what May does in government and I don't have a moral yardstick long enough to reach that far down into the depths of depravity and precisely measure which of them is lower. noone wants may as leader, but the alternative is 10x as worse
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Guavanaut posted:They're both left wing af, which is why the Labour Party wants nothing to do with them. Well yes but isn't one dismantling the state and rebuilding communal governance via free association whereas the other is empowering the state and using that to destroy other forms of hierarchy? Like, you kind of have to pick one.
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it's the difference between choosing whether to drink a cup of poo poo or a cup of nitric acid
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OwlFancier posted:Well yes but isn't one dismantling the state and rebuilding communal governance via free association whereas the other is empowering the state and using that to destroy other forms of hierarchy? They're both just being employed as snarl words though. If they cared anything for accuracy they'd have to call him a democratic socialist and then what would they erroneously call themselves? EDIT: wrong end of stick TomViolence fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 23:18
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OwlFancier posted:Like, you kind of have to pick one. this is the PLP we're talking about. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
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qhat posted:it's the difference between choosing whether to drink a cup of poo poo or a cup of nitric acid I'm still not really able to see why creating and defending rape camps is less bad than voting against LGBT rights. Like, I technically stand to benefit from the latter and I would quite happily get myself chemically castrated if it made the former go away.
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qhat posted:it's the difference between choosing whether to drink a cup of poo poo or a cup of nitric acid OwlFancier posted:Like, I technically stand to benefit from the latter and I would quite happily get myself chemically castrated if it made the former go away. I like how the Marxism-Leninism vs anarcho-syndicalism chat is melting into the May vs Leadsom chat
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on newsnight eric pickles (sir now apparently) and the culture secretary indicated that the tories will not be pursuing membership of the single market on the basis that it will continue freedom of movement
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Bleh, she's the MP for my hometown. She came to our sixth form before the 2010 election and came off as really unpleasant. My friend was really rude to her when she wouldn't answer her question though, so that's a nice memory.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:22
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MikeCrotch posted:I can't understand the PLP's thought processes here. Like, surely if they thought they could win a leadership contest they would have actually called one by now. Or if they didn't think they could win one, they would be trying to mobilise the CLP and get people to join the Labour party to vote for whoever their candidate is? They have done, but this was their tactic last time round and it turns out there aren't that many people who are roused to activity by "the Tories, but slightly less so"
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UrbicaMortis posted:Bleh, she's the MP for my hometown. She came to our sixth form before the 2010 election and came off as really unpleasant. My friend was really rude to her when she wouldn't answer her question though, so that's a nice memory. Write her annoying letters about socialism. LOTS of annoying letters about socialism.
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Metrication posted:boris just backed leadsom Oh gently caress.
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Well at least our new evil overlady will have a punny name.
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She doesn't have the charm or subtlety.
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thespaceinvader posted:Write her annoying letters about socialism. Thankfully I've since fled to hippie Bristol, so she's no longer my MP.
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That doesn't preclude you writing her annoying letters about socialism, the post works between constituencies.
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Alright, can you lot give me all the heinous acts and proposals that all five of these candidates have done and to offer? I want to keep a list of all the poo poo they have done for future reference.
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Theresa May has literally blocked human rights investigators from investigating Yarl's Wood. And then when it came out about how much rape and violence goes on in that prison she blocked mention of who runs the place because it might put financial interests at risk. Anybody who still supports her is ether scum or doesn't know any of this. Pissflaps, given that you've been in this thread for years and know all this can you tell me why you like Theresa May?
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I guess the silver lining is she will be the leader of a country in flames and will be constantly trolled by Scotland until the day they break away.
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Can someone fiddle with the ballot spelling so that the porn star gets made leader of the tory party?
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Regarde Aduck posted:I guess the silver lining is she will be the leader of a country in flames and will be constantly trolled by Scotland until the day they break away. I will be willing to join some group that is willing to take action in Scotland if deporting EU nationals is going to be a thing. At the very least keep them hidden here.
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I guess i'm just finding it weird that the PLP are pinning literally all of their hopes onto making Corbyn crack, which is a farce since either he would have cracked by now or is just going to peace out after the Chilcot report and Blair is hanging outside the Hague. I would have expected them to be making some kind of effort into attempting to win a prospective leadership challenge instead of tacitly admitting they are going to get crushed again. What is the PLP explanation for why they can't get enough people to join the Labour party to support them in overcoming Momentum/Corbynistas?
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Extreme0 posted:Alright, can you lot give me all the heinous acts and proposals that all five of these candidates have done and to offer? I want to keep a list of all the poo poo they have done for future reference. They all, at some point, have joined the Tory party.
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Any fellow Tories around? Who're you voting for leader?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Pissflaps, given that you've been in this thread for years and know all this can you tell me why you like Theresa May? Gonzo McFee posted:The rape thing then. Don't ask a question you already know the answer to, Gonzo.
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MikeCrotch posted:I guess i'm just finding it weird that the PLP are pinning literally all of their hopes onto making Corbyn crack, which is a farce since either he would have cracked by now or is just going to peace out after the Chilcot report and Blair is hanging outside the Hague. I would have expected them to be making some kind of effort into attempting to win a prospective leadership challenge instead of tacitly admitting they are going to get crushed again. ENTRYISM TORY INFILTRATORS TROT INFILTRATORS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (I'm sorely tempted to go sign up for SavingLabour just to inflate their numbers and make them think they have more people behind them than they actually do, but that's probably dumb)
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Friendly Humour posted:Any fellow Tories around? Who're you voting for leader? Only Tory MPs are able to vote for the Tory leader, hence why pissflaps felt safe to entryism the Labour party without fear of diluting the vote.
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OwlFancier posted:Well yes but isn't one dismantling the state and rebuilding communal governance via free association whereas the other is empowering the state and using that to destroy other forms of hierarchy? 
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im voting for the lady who supporst human sacrifice of disabled children
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Tesseraction posted:Only Tory MPs are able to vote for the Tory leader, hence why pissflaps felt safe to entryism the Labour party without fear of diluting the vote. Well, unless they can't agree, then it goes to a vote of the membership as happened with David Cameron (FADP).
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Tesseraction posted:Don't ask a question you already know the answer to, Gonzo. Pissflaps needs to answer the question himself.
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thespaceinvader posted:Well, unless they can't agree, then it goes to a vote of the membership as happened with David Cameron (FADP). May is overwhelmingly likely to win it, though... unless the Boris endorsement holds water.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Pissflaps needs to answer the question himself. And break a decade-long streak?
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This thread is full to choking with socialists. Terrible
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Tesseraction posted:Only Tory MPs are able to vote for the Tory leader, hence why pissflaps felt safe to entryism the Labour party without fear of diluting the vote. Unless... Dave?
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