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Just lol if you think the uber model is a fair price for society in general to pay so you can get home for $5 cheaper when you're pissed, m9
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Jul 4, 2016 20:35
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I think secondary tax makes uber pretty unattractive as a part time thing
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Jul 4, 2016 21:01
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Infotainment! posted:Just lol if you think the uber model is a fair price for society in general to pay so you can get home for $5 cheaper when you're pissed, m9 One of the more alpha-female peers from law school is now the operations manager here in NZ, is unsurprising :\
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Jul 4, 2016 21:09
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Jacobin posted:One of the more alpha-female peers from law school is now the operations manager here in NZ, is unsurprising :\ Sever
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Jul 4, 2016 21:13
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gently caress HARAMBE posted:I think secondary tax makes uber pretty unattractive as a part time thing Aren't Uber drivers contractors, so PAYE wouldn't apply?
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Jul 4, 2016 21:19
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The last uber I took, the driver said he was paying it. Might have been mistaken
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Jul 4, 2016 21:27
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Ah secondary tax, the single greatest gently caress you to the poor successive neoliberal governments have managed to ignore.
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Jul 4, 2016 21:46
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What's so bad about secondary tax? Just claim it back..
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Jul 4, 2016 22:07
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echinopsis posted:What's so bad about secondary tax? Just claim it back.. *Freezes to death waiting for end of financial year.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:13
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echinopsis posted:What's so bad about secondary tax? Just claim it back.. It's fine if you're earning a decent wage, but if you're living hand to mouth then you can't afford to overpay and then wait until July to get it back. And if you're earning a decent amount, chances are you aren't working two jobs and paying secondary tax...
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Jul 4, 2016 22:13
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Can't you get a custom tax code then? I'm sure that's an option
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Jul 4, 2016 22:26
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What's the point of it in the work environment of the last two decades anyway? It made sense in 1973 when a family could be comfortable on a single income, but in the twenty-first century it's nothing more than a punitive measure against the working poor. CEO's are not stocking shelves at K mart on the weekend.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:45
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Isn't it to avoid tax bills at the end of the year? If you worked 10 jobs at 10k a year each, and each was taxed as if it was your only income, you'd pay far less tax than 1 single 100k job, and owe tax. Of course secondary tax just assumes maximum tax and you get it back. And I thought you could calculate a custom tax code. We've been offered that, to pay less tax rather than get a tax refund. Perhaps nowadays there is some way of dynamically working out your tax code week to week based on earnings? Lot of solutions and not really elegant, because no one generally knows at the start of the year how much they will earn by the end of it.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:01
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echinopsis posted:Isn't it to avoid tax bills at the end of the year? Yes this is the theory, but much like trickle down economics et al it is completely divorced from reality. No one has ten jobs at 10,000 a pop, but an absolute gently caress ton have a couple at 10-15 to get by. Your theoretical ten jobber also has enough to cover their expenses and put tax aside and/or pay an accountant. The people who this supposedly helps don't exist and if they did they don't need it.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:39
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Oh yeah I was just trying to demonstrate the tax reasons why secondary tax exists. If someone has multiple jobs and they want to pay the correct amount of tax up front and avoid bills/refunds they can create their own tax code http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/number/forms-001-99/ir023bs-form-special-taxcode.html and not pay secondary tax at all.
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Jul 4, 2016 23:57
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Also Uber drivers are probably being hosed by provisional tax. Another one of those sounds reasonable in theory but can really gently caress over a small time contractor struggling to get by.
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Jul 5, 2016 00:51
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and don't get me started about how they have to have a WOF
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Jul 5, 2016 01:03
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The thing with secondary tax is that those impacted by it are also unlikely to have an in depth knowledge of the tax code and taxation system. They just know what comes into their bank account each week. They may have no idea how to claim a tax refund, or even know that they should be doing that. And this is why you see a proliferation of lovely tax refund companies who then take a cut for literally filling out the same tax form you could for free, if you knew it existed.
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Jul 5, 2016 01:09
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This is also why I'm generally against any sort of system that involves getting a rebate from the government after the fact. Very few people will ever know such a rebate exists, and you end up with the tax clusterfuck of the USA, who'll often point out all these wonderful rebates the poor could potentially receive, but the reality is they're not, because they don't have tax accountants to tell them they can.
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Jul 5, 2016 01:13
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And I get that too, but perhaps I am just not imaginative enough to see what better options there are, given a progressive tax scheme. Because when I say that, secondary tax prevent tax bills at the end of the year and you can avoid secondary tax if you put time in. Ignorance isn't an excuse for breaking the law either..
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Jul 5, 2016 01:23
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echinopsis posted:And I get that too, but perhaps I am just not imaginative enough to see what better options there are, given a progressive tax scheme. Because when I say that, secondary tax prevent tax bills at the end of the year and you can avoid secondary tax if you put time in. Ignorance isn't an excuse for breaking the law either.. IRD should get the same advertising budget as those lovely tax refund companies.
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Jul 5, 2016 03:02
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NZ's income tax system is really simple (and quite low rates) and most of the time when i hear people complain about "secondary tax" they think they are more tax than someone who earned the same amount but only worked one job (which they don't). the people who will end up needing to claim rebates from IRD are people with patchy employment over the year — less likely uber drivers and more likely factory/dock workers on zero-hour contracts. what really fucks the poor over in NZ is GST — rob salmond wrote a book on it
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Jul 5, 2016 08:29
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Yes, and people whose second job takes them over one of the thresholds, particularly the first two.
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Jul 5, 2016 09:04
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Local government elections coming up soon. Anything interesting happen so far?
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Jul 5, 2016 09:11
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fong posted:Yes, and people whose second job takes them over one of the thresholds, particularly the first two.
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Jul 5, 2016 09:18
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Lancelot posted:what thresholds? For the bottom two tax brackets, $14000/year and $48000/year
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Jul 5, 2016 09:36
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That's not even starting on Lump Sum Tax, where secondary rates will automatically shift bump you up to the next rate over, unless you're SB. Then again, I can't think of many people who aren't already in middle management who get performance incentives or other irregular bonuses. Unless you're with a Union (loving join a union) the only lump sum tax you're likely to pay is on your final pay's leave balance.
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Jul 5, 2016 11:34
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Lobsterpillar posted:Local government elections coming up soon. Anything interesting happen so far? John Palino is goinng to have another tilt at Auckland mayoralty. There's also a few clowns waiting in the wings who might make a surprise entrance.
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Jul 6, 2016 00:54
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I hope Nga Dave has another run.
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Jul 6, 2016 10:01
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What's Penny Bright getting up to anyway?
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Jul 6, 2016 10:42
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Is banks going to throw his hat in again now that he's been cleared? Vote Phil Goff btw
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Jul 6, 2016 13:52
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fong posted:Is banks going to throw his hat in again now that he's been cleared? gently caress Goff. That landbanking usurious prig can die in a fire.
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Jul 6, 2016 20:14
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Infotainment! posted:gently caress Goff. That landbanking usurious prig can die in a fire. But if you rule out people for these reasons you'll have like no one to vote for. Maybe Nga Dave
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Jul 6, 2016 22:12
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fong posted:But if you rule out people for these reasons you'll have like no one to vote for. Maybe Nga Dave Nga Dave for PM
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Jul 7, 2016 06:55
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Does anyone know what the deal is with the Wellington election btw? There's like a big clusterfuck of left-leaning mayoral candidates, does that mean Nicola Young is going to win it this time?
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Jul 7, 2016 06:59
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Wellington uses STV so the vote won't be split, but Nick Leggett is bad so don't vote for him
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Jul 7, 2016 07:20
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cptn_dr posted:Nga Dave for PM
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Jul 7, 2016 07:59
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Pretty sure Tapuface is the only viable candidate to set our country back on track.
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Jul 7, 2016 08:57
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Did I miss the whole Uber employing a whole bunch of illegal (unregistered) taxi drivers in NZ thing? When did that hit the news?
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A while ago. Uber's entire business model is based entirely on those in power being to old and retarded to understand they are still operating illegally despite having a loving app.
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