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DisgracelandUSA posted:Probably replicator reinforcing POS himself? yeah that loving guy was definitely a nail in the coffin probably wheniaminspace annihilating fleets by himself too
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Y'all are going to act like petition spam based on because multiboxing isn't a thing you did really really hard? This was before my time so I'm excluding myself on this one.
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Elsa posted:Y'all are going to act like petition spam based on because multiboxing isn't a thing you did really really hard? People were actually getting losses from replicator that they petitioned reimbursed, so of course we petitioned all our losses.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:06
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Is there a good way to view the skills of your pilots for a disabled eve account? I've been looking at getting back in a more casual fashion, but can't seem to find a good way to figure out which account I might want to re-enable.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:08
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Orange Red Bull posted:
Never knew DNSBlack was that seminal in something. I thought he was just an irritating guest on podcasts.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:10
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Oodles posted:Never knew DNSBlack was that seminal in something. I thought he was just an irritating guest on podcasts. I'd have pegged him as seminal for quite some time 
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Elsa posted:I'd have pegged him as seminal for quite some time 
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I've always been pretty paranoid about the places I work - wondering about the health of the company and poo poo like that. Part of me wants to believe there's someone like that at CCP who is constantly on the cusp of having a nervous breakdown and running out of the building screaming about the end of days and the writing on the wall... I would be watching management for the slightest indication of being "reassigned" to some bullshit VR game, if I worked at CCP.
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Oodles posted:Never knew DNSBlack was that seminal in something. I thought he was just an irritating guest on podcasts. seminal as in a load of jizz? yes
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Baculus posted:I've always been pretty paranoid about the places I work - wondering about the health of the company and poo poo like that. Part of me wants to believe there's someone like that at CCP who is constantly on the cusp of having a nervous breakdown and running out of the building screaming about the end of days and the writing on the wall... First, you'd have accepted poo poo wages to work there in the first place. Second, CCP's skeleton crew would be ten people including server team in London while game development froze for a year while they build up revenue and plan their next move.
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Baculus posted:someone like that at CCP who is constantly on the cusp of having a nervous breakdown and running out of the building screaming about the end of days and the writing on the wall http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=1606404&privcapId=4497073 when he jets theres a problem
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Freakus posted:Is there a good way to view the skills of your pilots for a disabled eve account? I've been looking at getting back in a more casual fashion, but can't seem to find a good way to figure out which account I might want to re-enable. Log in to account management and make an API and throw it in evemon. This works for at a minimum isk and skills. Not sure if it shows assets. Source: I did this with an unsubbed account
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Jul 5, 2016 20:07
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Orange Red Bull posted:International law is international law and there is no international law regarding gambling and the mmo market is global. Why do you think gambling cruises go to international waters. They can still be prohibited from operating within certain countries/states, such as said fantasy football sites being barred from allowing New York IP addresses to access their services. But yeah since it's unofficial stuff I have no idea how that would fly.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:11
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Orange Red Bull posted:International law is international law and there is no international law regarding gambling and the mmo market is global. Why do you think gambling cruises go to international waters. everything ccp does is subject to the laws of one or more specific countries depending on what it is they're doing, international law isn't a thing that applies to mmos
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evilweasel posted:everything ccp does is subject to the laws of one or more specific countries depending on what it is they're doing, international law isn't a thing that applies to mmos probably the biggest thing is that you can also lose payment processor access; Visa, MC, and Paypal are extremely powerful in that regard
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Jul 5, 2016 20:16
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how closely does CCP and IWI resemble a gambling site operating as a video game company. I mean, buy-in is ISK which you can get by purchasing PLEX with real money.
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Elsa posted:how closely does CCP and IWI resemble a gambling site operating as a video game company. I mean, buy-in is ISK which you can get by purchasing PLEX with real money.
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the bigger thing that should happen with gambling is the ccp will finally declare it bad and ban it, because it is legitimately bad for the game as has been said over and over, a successful gambling webapp is a superweapon; I'm sure that the IWI guys could fund numerous b-r style wipes with where they currently are now that you can purchase SP, it would honestly be feasible to go to a group like PL with trillions of isk and fund the skills/ships to put together a titan blob to do your bidding in 0.0
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Freakus posted:I think the key is being able to turn that ISK back into real money Why would someone go through the hassle of coding, registering, administrating, recruiting, policing, poring over ledgers and spreadsheets and all the things that must be involved with a site like iwantisk I know the imperium tried to break into it because lol unlimited isk faucet but once a site is established and becomes the "it" site then what? You buy a titan and a super, build a keepstar then what? Even before somer got flushed this eep eep guy was trying to break into the market. He was the guy behind evealopolous who's lovely recruitment spam you probably seen in jita local.
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Orange Red Bull posted:You buy a titan and a super, build a keepstar then what? Finance a war. Become a pillar of the community, collect upvotes, start a blog, youtube channel, stream, get views, subscribers and fans, make money. Become e-famous. Get a job as an editor for an online media website, collect more e-fame. Start your own website, get 100,000 regular readers and then sell it for a million dollars to a bigger fish.
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Landsknecht posted:the bigger thing that should happen with gambling is the ccp will finally declare it bad and ban it, because it is legitimately bad for the game That point falls on deaf ears when Seagull is interviewed about gambling and says conflict in EVE is good no matter how it happens.
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frozenpussy is your uncle a gambling addict or something? Like holy poo poo yea some people are going to make poor life choices with money, but it's not your place to tell others how to live their journey though this gay earth
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Massasoit posted:frozenpussy is your uncle a gambling addict or something? Like holy poo poo yea some people are going to make poor life choices with money, but it's not your place to tell others how to live their journey though this gay earth no I just think people are satisfied with weak-rear end arguments based on game design and international water maritime law or some poo poo. CCP realizes the same benefit from third party ISK gambling sites as if they made the sites themselves.
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Freakus posted:I think the key is being able to turn that ISK back into real money. There were (are?) several "gambling" Facebook apps that monetized through buying in game currency, but you could never redeem it. And yet one of those companies just lost a jury trial... and another is getting its poo poo pushed in despite have one case against it dismissed for jurisdictional issues. Where statutes do require you to be able to redeem cash, all they care about is that a secondary market exists (it does in EVE, you can sell your ISK to RMT sites). And historically, damages are usually a multiple of the lost amount, where the valuation is construed in favor of the "victim" (read: Plaintiff). But most laws don't require that you be able to turn it back into money - only that it be something that someone considers valuable. It sounds whimsical and stupid, but I didn't write this poo poo so  . Massasoit posted:frozenpussy is your uncle a gambling addict or something? Like holy poo poo yea some people are going to make poor life choices with money, but it's not your place to tell others how to live their journey though this gay earth Is this like a hyper-libertarian philosophy where everyone can do whatever they want whenever?
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Baculus posted:And yet one of those companies just lost a jury trial... and another is getting its poo poo pushed in despite have one case against it dismissed for jurisdictional issues. Where statutes do require you to be able to redeem cash, all they care about is that a secondary market exists (it does in EVE, you can sell your ISK to RMT sites). And historically, damages are usually a multiple of the lost amount, where the valuation is construed in favor of the "victim" (read: Plaintiff). Yeah, gently caress you, got mine.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:This this this this this this this. I've played a lot of MMOs, and I internal/closed/NDA-signed beta tested a lot of MMOs. I've been one of the dudes that has ties and relations with developers, and I haven't seen devs and players sleeping together this much since 989 split from Sony. I was a smurf in UO (Non paid staff woo.) and I had less developer access than some players do here. It doesn't help that I don't think CCP fundementally understands the mechanics of their own game though.
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Welp, was hoping for some posts about that cool fight with NC. and its all internet-lawyers arguing over international gambling law... For content ill post this BR: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=1442&b=7106065&e=56&t=e
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Xolve posted:Would it still be a problem if they were funding you though? if goonswarm had an unlimited source of wealth that could not be countered by in game means then I highly doubt it would ever have been a problem.
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The most hosed thing with CCP is their god drat hiring process. It would be like hiring Baseball managers based solely on who can throw a baseball the hardest. Except you get paid in a moon currency that you legally can't transfer out of country which means any savings you set aside are useless if you ever leave the moon
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I want to combine every hosed aspect of this game and create a charity gambling website. Oh, that 1t a month I make for myself? Thats just what I pay myself in compensation for running the server, the rest all goes to charity 
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Reverand maynard posted:The most hosed thing with CCP is their god drat hiring process. It would be like hiring Baseball managers based solely on who can throw a baseball the hardest. Except you get paid in a moon currency that you legally can't transfer out of country which means any savings you set aside are useless if you ever leave the moon they're also paying poo poo, you have to live in a cold climate on an island where you'll be a cultural outsider, and you probably have few options for advancement in the company like if I were a programmer would I rather work on eve for like 40-50k a year (someone posted earlier that this is what they seriously pay) and maybe think it's cool work, or would I rather do database webapps for small corporate clients and take in 80-100k per year, with a fairly reasonable path forward (start your own devshop, try and get in with a fortune 500, maybe try a startup) like CCP does decent enough work, but if you had resources like blizzard or EA Eve would be an unbelievably better done game (maybe)
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Reverand maynard posted:if goonswarm had an unlimited source of wealth that could not be countered by in game means then I highly doubt it would ever have been a problem. I never, ever want to see what would happen if Goonswarm had access to an unlimited source of wealth. yes I do
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nex posted:Welp, was hoping for some posts about that cool fight with NC. and its all internet-lawyers arguing over international gambling law... They might be coming back in an hour over another pos should be interesting
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The CSGO thing reminds me of the Pachinko loophole for gambling in Japan. You pay money for pachinko balls which you gamble with. If you win, you get paid out in tokens or whatever which you can redeem for prizes! Except out back is a shady Yakuza fuckhead that will buy your tokens for real money. You pay money for CS:GO skins which you gamble with. If you win, you get paid out in gsgo skins which you can sell to others for steam bucks! Except you can then sell steam bucks for real bucks to people online.
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PSA:quote:(2:17:40 PM) directorbot: For those who didn't see the patch notes for today's mini-patch: Hit Esc and uncheck "Dynamic Camera Movement" on the graphics tab to disable the docking animation (and the temporary weird FOV on undock). Also disables animations on changing ships.
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Xolve posted:Would it still be a problem if they were funding you though? we were pretty open how hosed the technetium bottleneck was even when we owned like half the tech moons in the game
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I like how when goons almost broke the game with ForEx, we still had the morals to come out and explain exactly how  hosed up and how they needed to fix it, potentially with the threat of permabans looming over the perpetrators. Now a website with a dubious at best past with shady internet dealings has essentially created a quasi-illegal gambling and money laundering setup and doesn't give two shits as long as the money keeps rolling in. I don't know if it's quite as bad as the T20 scandal but I really do think they should nip this in the bud before someone airs the dirty laundry for all to see.
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Huge_Midget posted:I like how when goons almost broke the game with ForEx, we still had the morals to come out and explain exactly how This is going to be the best part, just have to be patient with money and spaceships poo poo always goes sideways.
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