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SubponticatePoster posted:Now now, none of these people's deal with family: Garrus, Jack, Grunt, Kasumi, and Zaeed. I agree with you on Miranda's mission though, and vice versa. And also like to take Jack to Sam's recruitment because of what she says when you do the Renegade thing for BIOTIC GOD. Aw come on now, garrus is like the teams dad, jack was kidnapped, grunt gets adopted, kasumis involves her boyfriend, and zaeed.... Uh.... He loves that lovely rifle
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Get the lizard out of the vents.skoolmunkee posted:Aw come on now, garrus is like the teams dad, jack was kidnapped, grunt gets adopted, kasumis involves her boyfriend, and zaeed.... Uh.... He loves that lovely rifle I'd say Jack definitely counts since her thing concerns her adoptive family. Same with Grunt. Garrus and Zaeed are a bit of a stretch however. Still tho, ~9 out of 12 missions having that kind of consistency is nothing to sneeze at.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:24
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Jack was more or less kidnapped. She was held prisoner, abused, and experimented on. How does that translate to "family?" 
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Jul 1, 2016 18:50
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I think they mean the other kids she was in captivity with, but even then... Calling them family is a biiiiit of a stretch, given what she says about them in the mission proper.
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Jul 1, 2016 19:20
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"I hated them, they hated me." Well, that does sound like some siblings  But yeah, Jack doesn't GAF about the other kids (other than the dude in the mission she never has any contact with them afterward or tried to find them , probably because 99% of them are dead), it's all about making GBS threads on Cerberus. Now if Jack's loyalty mission was "trying to find my mom" and she had to break into a Cerberus base and steal the info, it'd be a family-related mission.Garrus's is: kill a dude that hosed me over Grunt's is: ugh, I'm going through puberty and the solution is KILL EVERYTHING though I can see finding a clan as sort-of-kinda "family" if you squint, but to me it's just making him a proper Krogan instead of a test tube baby Kasumi's is: steal back this extremely damaging piece of intel that just happens to involve my dead boyfriend Zaeed's is   is trying to find a former coworker, forgot that in the list Miranda: family Jacob: family Samara: family Thane: family Legion: family as much as a bunch of AI's can have family  Tali: family Spoilered all of that for anybody that doesn't know what's gonna happen/who we recruit. So I guess it's distributed half and half.
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Jul 1, 2016 19:45
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I meant Jack's kind of about how her family was stolen from her. And every mission with Grunt is about family since he is your son 
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Jul 1, 2016 21:09
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Jack's mission is about alternating between crying and shooting stuff.
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Jul 1, 2016 21:23
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And Garrus' is about avenging his squad, which is the closest thing he has to family until he reconnects with his father in 3
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Jul 1, 2016 21:24
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Old friends come first, always
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Jul 1, 2016 21:41
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grimlock_master posted:Old friends come first, always Yes, put Zaeed on point
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SubponticatePoster posted:"I hated them, they hated me." Well, that does sound like some siblings True but it is amusing to point out some of the people who don't have a family related thing actually can't have one due to backstory and thus straddle the line with surrogates and substitutes. The closest thing to an upbringing/fostering/childhood Jack has was with Cerberus though it was clearly abusive, she has no other identity to fall back on (Jacqueline Nought is just a play on Subject Zero) and sadly the closest thing she can have to a cathartic confrontation with her abusers was confronting an inanimate building with a bomb since that project's long been abandoned. Conveniently the last other Cerberus kid is there for her to vent on or to finally walk away from. Moridin's both crazy old and chose not to reproduce despite receiving generous breeding contracts because of his prodigy - the closest thing he could have to a family would be the proteges he's mentored. Likewise the closest thing to family Grunt had was Okeer and he's both dead and didn't leave behind the appropriate mental imprints - he needs a surrogate to guide him through the Krogan rites of passage. You could make less convincing arguments for Kasumi & Garrus imho but it's there for you to squint at since a pattern has certainly emerged. To me only Zaeed's mission is definitely cut from a different cloth.
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 Event Horizon The Drink Escape 1 part rum 4 parts coconut milk 3 parts half & half Pineapple Combine ingredients in a blender with a generous amount of ice. Blend until smooth. Simple version: Put rum in a loving Slurpee The Drinking Game Drink your frozen drink every time we see a frozen colonist The Episode TIM wants to have a chat. Some colony called Horizon in the rear end in a top hat of nowhere has gone silent. How he knows this is anyone's guess, but he says it means the Collectors are about to attack. Mordin hooks us up with a We manage to save half the colony and then Kaiden gets mad at us. Interestingly enough, if you saved Ash she refers to Shepard as a god. Kind of blasphemous coming from the religious lady. Then everyone fucks off to their respective corners.
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Jul 5, 2016 05:41
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So glad Kaidan didn't join. He's so annoying.
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Thesaya posted:So glad Kaidan didn't join. He's so annoying. Maybe we could have had him cleaning the toilets on the Normandy 2.0? Burritos for everyone! Especially grunt.
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Jul 5, 2016 16:56
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Even if it's Kaidan who set Saren up the bomb in ME 1, Ashley is no less insufferable here. It's kind of nice how they are different in their insufferableness though (the mechanic is right both ways.)
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Jul 5, 2016 19:10
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Jaden got used for a mission other than his loyalty. This is the most successful he's been in any playthrough.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:59
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EponymousMrYar posted:Even if it's Kaidan who set Saren up the bomb in ME 1, Ashley is no less insufferable here. It's kind of nice how they are different in their insufferableness though (the mechanic is right both ways.) They're both pretty insufferable, particularly if you've romanced them. Both here and in ME3. "How dare you die and get resurrected by a shadowy extraterritorial agency that you've obviously broken ties with!? I thought you loved me!"
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Jul 5, 2016 20:04
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hard counter posted:Jaden got used for a mission other than his loyalty. This is the most successful he's been in any playthrough. Not only is Joe boring and generic, his weapon loadout and his powers are also terrible. The perfect character (to leave on the Normandy)!
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Jul 5, 2016 21:21
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Someone upthread mentioned that if they gender-swapped Joe and Miranda they would have both been more interesting characters, and I'm inclined to agree.
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Jul 5, 2016 21:33
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grack posted:Not only is Joe boring and generic, his weapon loadout and his powers are also terrible. The perfect character (to leave on the Normandy)! Well, part of that is that the AI characters aren't programmed to use shotguns properly. The other part of it is that basically EVERY biotic character save Miranda has Pull in the game where they introduced alternate health bars that protect against pull.
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Kurieg posted:Well, part of that is that the AI characters aren't programmed to use shotguns properly. The other part of it is that basically EVERY biotic character save Miranda has Pull in the game where they introduced alternate health bars that protect against pull. Yeah. Miranda was basically in my party through most of the game unless I was playing as a Sentinel. One character with both Warp and Overload is really, really useful even if her weapons are crap. Also, Kaidan was so annoying the Collector's didn't want him. That's saying something.
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I like how flip floppy Shepard can feel in that last conversation. You spent half the conversation telling Kaiden you weren't actually with Cerberus(Besides totally being paid by them to do missions for them to the point of failing to tell the alliance about this OP) And then the other half you spend the other half defending Cerberus from him every time he says he doesn't trust them and that this militant organization that breeds lobster monsters and sicks giant worm monsters on alliance patrols MIGHT have something to do with this. She's trying to wash her hands of Cerberus and then defending their involvement in all this at the same time, they really would have benefited from the option to agree with Kaiden that Cerberus is shady and that the alliance should keep an eye on their involvement. Also, Jason telling Shepard and Garrus all about the Husks they killed en mass in the first game was hilarious. Shouldn't those conversation trees have prioritized making the knowledgeable squadmate someone who actually fought them?
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grack posted:Not only is Joe boring and generic, his weapon loadout and his powers are also terrible. The perfect character (to leave on the Normandy)! It's like they purposefully made him as support as possible, pull is just a set-up for biotic bombs this time around and incendiary ammo is something you could spec up so he buffs the party. Barrier does make him survivable but that means holding off until end game... but Grunt does that better anyway. He did look effective in the video with the geth shotgun tho, normally my squadmates fold like paper on that mission. grack posted:Yeah. Miranda was basically in my party through most of the game unless I was playing as a Sentinel. One character with both Warp and Overload is really, really useful even if her weapons are crap. Conversely Miranda is as useful as possible, slam has both a setup phase for biotic combos and a detonation trigger and her other abilities can strip any defensive layer making her effective on any and every mission. She also passively boosts weapon damage iirc.
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hard counter posted:Conversely Miranda is as useful as possible, slam has both a setup phase for biotic combos and a detonation trigger and her other abilities can strip any defensive layer making her effective on any and every mission. She also passively boosts weapon damage iirc. Weapon damage and health. I always skipped Slam and maxed Warp/Overload/Class skill as she's better used as a detonator character since Warp has a travel when used by Shepard. Even if you don't like Miranda's character she's super useful as a companion. All that said, I actually didn't mind Miranda as a character. Her character intro is loving awful but once you get the Normandy she's very reasonable to deal with. I also like the fact that even though she's like a high lieutenant in the space KKK she still manages to come across as less racist than Ashley ever did/does.
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Jul 6, 2016 03:37
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The Collector General never talked in any of my play throughs on both Xbox and PC I don't know why he talks so much for you.
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Jul 6, 2016 03:43
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Stealing from the dead, that's pretty low.
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grack posted:All that said, I actually didn't mind Miranda as a character. Her character intro is loving awful but once you get the Normandy she's very reasonable to deal with. I also like the fact that even though she's like a high lieutenant in the space KKK she still manages to come across as less racist than Ashley ever did/does. Miranda and Jacob are different takes on the same character archetype that Kaiden and Ashley are. The 'standard subservient soldier' only not whiny and the 'human supremacist' only 'because I was genetically designed to be so and I'm not sure how I feel about that maybe kinda sorta.' Miranda comes off better because she's something of a fresh take and the VA sells the 'maybe kinda sorta' thing that I pick up on in all her dialogue of her talking about herself. It's pretty subtle.
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Jul 6, 2016 04:22
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I think you meant John
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Jacob might be boring but I like him because he doesn't whine incessantly and is generally competent, even if he is a boring support dude. It's enough that I remember his name 
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I like Miranda too because her plot arc has a few of the better missions in it. Jacob's ME3 mission is notable only for all the ways you can Get Archer to kill himself in grief. Though that's more an Overlord thing than a Jacob thing
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EponymousMrYar posted:Jacob might be boring but I like him because he doesn't whine incessantly and is generally competent, even if he is a boring support dude. It's enough that I remember his name He mostly suffers from being the mildly pleasant support guy in a game with like 12 team mates - some of whom are returning fan favorites, others of whom are Zaeed. It's hard to find a slot for him.
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hard counter posted:He mostly suffers from being the mildly pleasant support guy in a game with like 12 team mates - some of whom are returning fan favorites, others of whom are Zaeed. J-Lo is also the only squadmate who is legitimately terrible during his own loyalty mission. His short-range combat skills put him too close to the enemy, Pull is only useful if you pair it with Warp. I'd heard he originally had an assault rifle instead of a shotgun which would have helped
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EponymousMrYar posted:Miranda and Jacob are different takes on the same character archetype that Kaiden and Ashley are. The 'standard subservient soldier' only not whiny and the 'human supremacist' only 'because I was genetically designed to be so and I'm not sure how I feel about that maybe kinda sorta.' I interpreted it as her being higher tier. The top people of racist, "We are just defending our own/our country/culture" organisations can't afford to let it slip that they are just as racist as the low level "I hate everyone not like me" people.
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Thesaya posted:I interpreted it as her being higher tier. The top people of racist, "We are just defending our own/our country/culture" organisations can't afford to let it slip that they are just as racist as the low level "I hate everyone not like me" people. Illusive man is trump?
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Pretty much? Claims power and success while in reality being a blowhard with dozens of massively failed projects. Runs projects into the ground personally and directly or not at all. Skates by on name recognition and theatrics? Yeah, it fits for me. We're gonna make humanity great again!!!
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monster on a stick posted:J-Lo is also the only squadmate who is legitimately terrible during his own loyalty mission. His short-range combat skills put him too close to the enemy, Pull is only useful if you pair it with Warp. I'd heard he originally had an assault rifle instead of a shotgun which would have helped ikanreed posted:Illusive man is trump? And he has better hair  edit: VVV 
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Jul 6, 2016 16:03
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At least he has better hair. edit: dang it!
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They'll also only use single shots or bursts regardless of what weapon you give them. Meaning your AI partners are usually better off using sniper rifles with long reload times.
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monster on a stick posted:I'd heard he originally had an assault rifle instead of a shotgun which would have helped You might be remembering the tie-in game. 
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hard counter posted:You might be remembering the tie-in game. Johnson has more personality in that one picture than in the entirety of ME2. Just look at that 
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