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im not sure what you thought the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 actually entailed but generally the military does not provide detailed plans for events years in the future to members of congress when seeking permission to go to war
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Popular Thug Drink posted:im not sure what you thought the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 actually entailed but generally the military does not provide detailed plans for events years in the future to members of congress when seeking permission to go to war The idea that anyone had any "plans" detailed or otherwise for a stable Iraq, 
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A Winner is Jew posted:This, along with any politician that supported the Iraq war being handed over to the ICC for summary execution. It's pretty pathetic that it's come to so called liberals or Democrats no biggie'ing the most destructive foreign policy decision, probably in US history for political expediency.
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty pathetic that it's come to so called liberals or Democrats no biggie'ing the most destructive foreign policy decision, probably in US history for political expediency. I am "no biggie'ing" Hillary's role in the Iraq War, as it was one of 77 votes in the Senate. I am not "no biggie'ing" the war itself. Do you see the difference?
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"Listen, I know we have no contingency plans for post-invasion Iraq, have no idea what will happen in the resulting power vacuum from deposing Saddam Hussein and the flimsiest of evidence to support the invasion in the first place. Should we reconsider? Nah." *votes for the AUMF*
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WampaLord posted:I am "no biggie'ing" Hillary's role in the Iraq War, as it was one of 77 votes in the Senate. I am not "no biggie'ing" the war itself. They are both pretty pathetic.
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty pathetic that it's come to so called liberals or Democrats no biggie'ing the most destructive foreign policy decision, probably in US history for political expediency. i think it's pathetic that you blame the handful of politicians who voted for the war and not the hundreds of thousands of americans who chose of their own free will to fight in it
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i think it's pathetic that you blame the handful of politicians who voted for the war and not the hundreds of thousands of americans who chose of their own free will to fight in it They were just following orders. 
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I don't give a poo poo about what she says about her vote, I want to know that she won't follow the Blob and make the same mistake again if similar circumstances arise.
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I don't believe Chris Christie has any influence over Clinton at all, actually.
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty pathetic that it's come to so called liberals or Democrats no biggie'ing the most destructive foreign policy decision, probably in US history for political expediency. Eh, I can't and don't speak for "A Winner is Jew" over there. I'm not no biggie'ing it, I'm just saying in that time in that place, with the report and information I've seen that was given to Congress. I completely see how someone could vote for authorization of force.
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MariusLecter posted:They were just following orders. this is not an excuse, except the elected officials of america should have ignored the majority of americans who supported an illegal, criminal war and voted against it
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MariusLecter posted:They were just following orders. 
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WampaLord posted:I am "no biggie'ing" Hillary's role in the Iraq War, as it was one of 77 votes in the Senate. I am not "no biggie'ing" the war itself. You seem informed. What consequences have those senators faced for the Iraq war vote? Given the false justification and disastrous outcome, I'm sure a number of them were voted out of office over this issue.
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Saddam deserved to die, and I'm glad he and his kids did. So unfortunate that the Bush admin hosed up the occupation at every loving level and in ways that were unknown unknowns at the time.
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Quiz Show was probably the greatest hidden gem movie of the 90s, just a really great story all around and Barton Fink played the Hubert Humpledink or whatever guy perfectly.
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Nocturtle posted:You seem informed. What consequences have those senators faced for the Iraq war vote? Given the false justification and disastrous outcome, I'm sure a number of them were voted out of office over this issue. Not really. Though we largely politically adjudicated the war in the 06 and 08 elections.
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theflyingorc posted:
nah, going in to gently caress poo poo up with no plan of dealing with the fallout is a pretty big indictment of the initial invasion
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theflyingorc posted:I can defend the actions of the Senate while not defending the actions of the executive branch. If Saddam had actually possessed WMDs, the war is suddenly much, much more justified. Gulf of Tonkin much? the executive loves stirring up bullshit stories to go to war on
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Jul 5, 2016 22:41
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Vietnam was a worse policy clusterfuck than Iraq by far especially when you consider Cambodia.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:41
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Meat Recital posted:May have WMDs (but we dont really know, there are inspectors there but how do we know they aren't being lied to?, and here are some satellite photos of trucks) is not justification for war. Get the gently caress out of here. A reminder that plenty of liberals back in 2001 also thought that Saddam had WMDs. Due to, you know, Reagan authorizing the sale of biological and chemical weapons to Iraq in 1984, Iraq using chemical weapons repeatedly throughout the war with Iran, then using them on their own people in 1988 and 1991, and then having it come out after the Gulf War that US companies had been selling Saddam those weapons for the entire time. I mean, it wasn't much of a stretch to assume that Saddam had access to biological weapons in 2001 when US corporations were selling him loving anthrax in 1994.
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a shameful boehner posted:"Listen, I know we have no contingency plans for post-invasion Iraq, have no idea what will happen in the resulting power vacuum from deposing Saddam Hussein and the flimsiest of evidence to support the invasion in the first place. Should we reconsider? Ah damnit. I didn't realize I missed the part where W said that. Now I feel really stupid about my younger self.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Not really. Though we largely politically adjudicated the war in the 06 and 08 elections. Yeah, the Dems won those times so it's all good now. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:45
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Don't forget Laos or the Viet Cong's antipathy towards the Chinese
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mcmagic posted:Yeah, the Dems won those times so it's all good now. Nothing to see here. Move along. Yeah. And?
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Taerkar posted:Ah damnit. I didn't realize I missed the part where W said that. Now I feel really stupid about my younger self. I wish that I believed that W had that much capacity for introspective thought.
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Tobermory posted:A reminder that plenty of liberals back in 2001 also thought that Saddam had WMDs. Due to, you know, Reagan authorizing the sale of biological and chemical weapons to Iraq in 1984, Iraq using chemical weapons repeatedly throughout the war with Iran, then using them on their own people in 1988 and 1991, and then having it come out after the Gulf War that US companies had been selling Saddam those weapons for the entire time. I mean, it wasn't much of a stretch to assume that Saddam had access to biological weapons in 2001 when US corporations were selling him loving anthrax in 1994.  And now ISIL is using expired Mustard Gas against the Kurds, so we've come full circle. Twice, I think.
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fade5 posted:"We know Iraq has WMDs - we still have the receipts!" Three times, Taliban using CIA Stingers and poo poo.
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fade5 posted:"We know Iraq has WMDs - we still have the receipts!" Imagine 4 WMD munitions on the edge of a cliff... with nothing but civilians below 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Imagine 4 WMD munitions on the edge of a cliff... As God and Manufacturer intended.
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A big middle finger to both pro-lifers and Kansas? Today is the gift that keeps on giving. https://twitter.com/AP/status/750440542773862400
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PenguinKnight posted:nah, going in to gently caress poo poo up with no plan of dealing with the fallout is a pretty big indictment of the initial invasion
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/david-duke-no-way-star-in-trumps-tweet-was-a-sheriffs-star?utm_term=.qfQ8L7pgbD#.xjMDOmYLjW no less an authority than David Duke says the star on Trump's tweet was "not a sheriff's star" lol
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The fact that berniebots like goodman bet the entire farm on a long shot indictment of clinton is hilarious.
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Peven Stan posted:The fact that berniebots like goodman bet the entire farm on a long shot indictment of clinton is hilarious. Especially because they already knew Clinton was so corrupt there was no way she'd be indicted.
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Sorry if this has already been commented on, but just thinking back to my childhood, isn't a Sheriff's Star like...a normal 5 pointed star? Usually with little circles on the ends of the points?
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Jerkface posted:Sorry if this has already been commented on, but just thinking back to my childhood, isn't a Sheriff's Star like...a normal 5 pointed star? Usually with little circles on the ends of the points? Yeah lol
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