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Just for reference, the combat system isn't fully unlocked until you visit an optional dungeon immediately before the final boss fight. If you don't visit that optional dungeon, or just don't know it's there, you get to go into new game plus without the final Battle Level, which cuts your potential damage output per turn to about 1/3rd of what it would otherwise be.
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Instant Grat posted:Just for reference, the combat system isn't fully unlocked until you visit an optional dungeon immediately before the final boss fight. If you don't visit that optional dungeon, or just don't know it's there, you get to go into new game plus without the final Battle Level, which cuts your potential damage output per turn to about 1/3rd of what it would otherwise be. Again, some really poorly thought-out design decisions. 
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And people wonder why jRPGs fell out of favor.
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Kibayasu posted:The light/dark thing seems neat if underutilized. The battle system seems like it could be fun if it actually worked properly and they actually explored the ideas they had. Instead, we get bizarre combos where attacks chain off in random directions where your enemies will never be, and the same damage output in both light and dark scenarios.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Instead, we get bizarre combos where attacks chain off in random directions where your enemies will never be, and the same damage output in both light and dark scenarios. I've never experienced the first (again, I've only played the PS3 version) and not sure what you mean by the second? While I've never noticed a large difference in the damage output from characters based on what light/dark spell they're using, there can be a massive difference in damage dealt based on whether you're attacking a light or dark version of a creature. For abilities with effects like Phantom Wave or Coup de Jarnac, the aiming & positioning required to make their radius/projectile effects hit is definitely tight but they've always been consistent in where they travel (mostly; the game starts to get a little odd when dealing with multi-hitting area-of-effect spells). That said they're also not what I would consider vital - If you can hit multiple enemies with a well placed Coup de Jarnac that's great and makes the battle go faster, but you can/should always be able to win a fight without having to take the time to worry about perfect placement.
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I'm saying that that ability is an interesting mechanic, but the AI of the enemies means you will never get set up to use it. It seems poorly thought out. Spells differentiating based on light/dark is another, but none of the spells seem different in their damage output. It seems poorly thought out.
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I'm editing the next episode. Here is a sneak preview: http://igrat.co/lp/es-21-sample.mp3
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Jun 17, 2016 20:42
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 It's a graveyard bash, dontcha know
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Jun 19, 2016 19:51
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This LP is pretty lit.
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Jun 19, 2016 20:47
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A fan base's collective insanity is directly proportional to the number of pages on its wiki page and if there's a page dedicated to anatomy (Star Trek's wiki also has a page on breasts). I guess it took a couple dozen hours but an enemy was finally threatening... until you figured out its block timing.
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I'm gonna be busy getting drunk in a field for the next week or so. I'm hoping Hbomb will have posted more character art when I get back (HINT HINT) Update once I'm home again E: If anyone is coming to Roskilde Festival shoot me a PM and we'll have a beer together Instant Grat fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 17:47
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I guess your kokoro wish about Cameron came true, Hbomberguy,
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At the risk of various things I am going to engage the discussion of the appeal of fan wikis and their complete lack of acknowledgement of anything diagetic. 25% serious answer: autism. Much more serious answer; these things are, more than anything else, compilations of canon rather than works. Getting particularly deep into any examination of canon is a recipe for disaster but; we latch onto this notion that there is an aspect of the works we enjoy that persists in the universe beyond the times we are actively participating in them. That aspect is basically a bunch of "facts", or probably "assertions" is a better term, about the world, characters, plot or, at a stretch, themes. These are separate from any consideration of how the story is told. So on the one hand you have Yoda, Yoda's appearance, Yoda's personality, what Yoda does in which film (chronological order optional), the rich history of Yoda's loving lightsaber form, the reason Yoda uses a short lightsaber instead of a long one even though considerations of weight and balance shouldn't apply to lightsabers, etc. And on the other hand you have Yoda's puppet (or CG model), Yoda's voice actor, how Yoda is framed in each shot, how they got a human interacting with a puppet/CG person, the reason someone decided he should be green instead of blue, etc etc. More bluntly, you've got the things that would persist if the film was rewritten, and the things that would persist if the film was remade (although in reality a remake would be paired with a rewrite. Actually, this is a pretty good example; when Star Wars was remade, they changed a bunch of stuff that was all basically cinematic (CG detail that availed itself of the improved technology of its time), and a few frames of a single scene such that one character shoots second where previously he shot first. One of these changes has an entire pile of wiki content written about it. The rest are only really grudgingly acknowledged.) Anyway, this is the distinction you danced around in the video; story versus storytelling. How the story is bought to something resembling life is mercurial, evolving, evocative, interpretive, often completely subjective, absolutely a product of the times, and ultimately fleeting because for the most part the method is not what sticks in your mind. That's the content, which is prescriptive, cumulative, orderable, sortable, operable; these are all things that nerds like, broadly. The other great bastion of the categorisation of everything, TVTropes, blurs these lines somewhat in its relentless march towards every single human notion having a snappy pun-based title; it does acknowledge some of the more well-known aspects of works that are definitively filmmaking, like certain shot compositions or long takes or colour balance, but only on quite a superficial level. The site has an absolute dearth of analysis of how any of this stuff is actually leveraged in any given work, but hey, they sure can list every single cut longer than thirty seconds they've ever seen, especially if Joss Whedon was involved. Eternal Sonata's Wiki would be a list of editors of Eternal Sonata's Wiki's Wiki.
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Hbomb is currently sitting somewhere in my apartment playing 999 after persistent badgering on my part. I'm trying really hard to convince him to post more character bios.
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I was getting Metal Gear Solid flashbacks with how long it took Claves to actually go from dying to dead.
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Judge Tesla posted:I was getting Metal Gear Solid flashbacks with how long it took Claves to actually go from dying to dead. It's like straight-up self-parody except it's not. It's ridiculous. Fedule posted:A good post This is a good post and I'm trying unsuccesfully to get Hbomb to write up a response because he thinks so too
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This is probably the funniest scene in the game which, considering the actual subject matter, is incredible. I couldn't believe it the first time I saw it.
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At a certain point I was just surprised that it didn't go on for the rest of the video
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The whole game is Chopin's death-rattle and you find that over-extended? A little perspective, please
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Logicblade posted:Fort Fermata, more like Fort Fuckthis. This is probably the worst dungeon of the game, but not yet the worst part if my memories do not deceive me. Well you got through the worst part. I thought the death scene was actually longer than that though. It was only EIGHT minutes. Although maybe there are worse parts and I've mercifully wiped them from my brain.
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After the final credits we're gonna get one last scene of Claves rolling around on the floor having flashbacks to the last 10 hours of gameplay Man I remember seeing commercials for this game in like 2007 and thinking it looked really cool. This is what we got? 
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Eternal Sonata 2 would have been set entirely in Claves' own dying dream. CHARACTER BIOS: JAZZ  One morning, Jazz' best friend, a performance artist, got arrested for making weird pointless inventions and bothering people with his modern art pieces. In protest, Jazz took up their jailed friend's latest creations, the trumpet...sword (made to "highlight the performative nature of violence, or something, look, war is bad okay Jazz") and founded a revolution with two other people he knew from high school. Jazz is a tactical mastermind and a true thorn in the side of authority, despite the minor setback of literally one third of his group being spies. Fedule posted:At the risk of various things I am going to engage the discussion of the appeal of fan wikis and their complete lack of acknowledgement of anything diagetic. This is well thought out. My stance is, to put it bluntly, that the method is all there is. Lots of critics like to contrast style with substance, but substance is derived entirely from how the thing is made. The medium (or as we're putting it here, the method) is the message. When two people attempt to have a conversation, they are doing so through a careful negotiation of methods of communication. I translate my ideas into words, you hear them and interpret them. Conversations are, paradoxically, ultimately an absence of conversation - our minds can never interface perfectly, instead mediated by language, expressions, or in this instance text, and our particular ways of reading and writing them. What matters is what we do with this knowledge. One solution is to understand the inherent impossibility of true communication, and act accordingly by trying to be more understanding of people who may not be very good at getting an idea across, and learning how to get ideas across better to specific audiences and so on. I am a big time fan of George Lucas' films. I feel like a good deal of the prequels function as criticisms of this culture [the mass of books, fan works and so on even before the invention of wikis for example, and it is also not out of line to predict this behaviour as early as 1999]. The Jedi are so sure of the validity and merit of their information that they refuse to accept the existence of planets missing from their libraries. The Jedi are too busy building a giant, comprehensive in-canon star wars wiki that they stop being actual agents of peace and justice and their entire society collapses. Oops! So on a certain level I find the idea that it's easy to make the same mistake and start cataloging the different space-fighting-styles instead of interpreting the film and deriving meaning. I'm not even saying there's a particular meaning to find. But actually trying to read a film is a nice first step. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Squarely Circle posted:After the final credits we're gonna get one last scene of Claves rolling around on the floor having flashbacks to the last 10 hours of gameplay Hey, it still looks good, constantly slanted arms aside.
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Kibayasu posted:Hey, it still looks good, constantly slanted arms aside. I agree, it's very pretty! And the battle system looks pretty fun, and the soundtrack's not half bad. It's just a shame about everything else. A girl getting stabbed to death and spending her last moments regretting all her life choices shouldn't be hilarious, but here we are
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Kibayasu posted:Hey, it still looks good, constantly slanted arms aside. The anime doll heads unnerve me.
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Hbomberguy posted:This is well thought out. Yeah, pretty much. I don't really disagree with any of this, I just seem to have even less faith in Wikia Culture than you do. I think the cargo cult mentality of these endeavours was always inevitable, and they could never approach the subjects you'd like them to approach, simply because of the perspective they assume. That perspective is the objective one, of course, because nerds like logic and reason and facts, and the notion that I can say this work can be read this way, and you can say this work can be read the complete and mutually exclusive opposite way, and we can both be right is anathema. Their mission is not to interpret, but to document. Worse, it won't do simply to collect and collate all of this information about A New Hope, and also all this information about Empire, etc - we are going to write an encyclopedia of Star Wars, and each individual work in this series might take a different approach, or promote a different message, or invite a certain reading, or invoke a certain symbolism or - dare we even contemplate - be shaped by different minds, so none of that will fit. The canon is the only thing that really indisputably links these works (unless there's a retcon, lol). If you start allowing for this mood or this cinematic technique or that director's flair or the clear influence of that prevailing idea you eventually have to confront the notion that all of these things you're trying to link are linked only in name, and that won't do either. Philosophers muse over whether or not one can step in the same river twice; Wikia editors must have nightmares about whether or not you can really "continue" a piece of fiction once published. The more works you add to the canon, and the more mediums that form those works, the worse this gets, because if Star Wars comprises both books and films then how the hell can you assert that anything particular to filmmaking is a part of Star Wars? This thing that is a part of Star Wars can't be a part of Star Wars if it can't be a part of this other thing that's also a part of Star Wars. Illogical. Does not compute. Error. We can't let people pick and choose what parts of Star Wars they want to be talking about at any given moment! The whole idea that Star Wars as a whole can be catalogued is opposed to the cataloguing of any of those things, or any given reading of any given part of Star Wars that might take into account those things. If you want to collect all that, you want a discussion forum, not an encyclopedia (even one that anyone can edit). The Crying War Kids Wikia will tell you about the bombs that were shown, and about the crying kids that were shown, and about the war that was shown, but it could never tell you what it means to say you were "shown" any of these things, because once you start talking about that you have to get dangerously close to not talking about Crying War Kids anymore, and nobody who runs the Crying War Kids Wikia wants to not be talking about Crying War Kids. It has to be this way.
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The only correct canon is the one in Dr. Fredman Choppingblock, PhD's head.
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There was one really high up editor on the Silent Hill wiki who was really angry about male circumcision and started claiming this imagery was all over the series on various pages. Even when wikis try subtext or imagery they seem to get it wrong (there are other examples but foreskin man is the best). So either it 'just keeps happening for some random reason', or maybe wikias inherently engender a mindset that's bad for understanding art. Which is important because art is the place where we discuss how to save the world. 283 pages on the Eternal Sonata wiki and you can learn a lot about what each character does, or feels, or their stats, but the part where Eternal Sonata mounts fairly open critiques of both authoritarianism and the effects of the capitalist mode of production (with long interludes that go into detail about real actual attempts at social reform in real actual history) doesn't seem to get a look in outside of offhand references. The point of the story goes in a nice little box on the shelf next to the Forest Boar strategy guide. This stuff appears in the form of short sentences in the very short pages about the countries the world takes place in. There's like one sentence about it in the Forte page. 'oh by the way, mineral powder is popularised entirely through manipulative taxation of other forms of medicine'. By the way, the chronic illness that killed Chopin may be treatable but isn't being researched because it's not deemed profitable enough. Get hosed, people with cystic fibrosis! You aren't worth the money! Polka keeps almost literally saying 'economic factors and their manipulation by those in power have direct effects on everyone's lives and need to be dealt with NOW, that is my entire mission here' and fans are like 'wow better add a footnote that taxes are bad' Delete Wikia. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Replace all the character pages in the Eternal Sonata wiki with Hbomb's drawings and blurbs. then frame each article in a big thought bubble with a picture of Claves lying at the bottom of the page.
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Please join me in shaming Hbomb for putting Koldskål in my coffee this morning because he can't read Danish and thought it was milk
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I speak Danish and I'd make the same mistake, too. 
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Great Joe posted:I speak Danish and I'd make the same mistake, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
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the best part of waking up is koldskål in your cup
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Forgall posted:Oldie but goodie
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btw did you know alan smithee did the voices in this game
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So while looking up "dolce" I'm pretty sure this is the page the localizers used for nearly everything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_musical_terminology
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This game... really is boring. More like Etenal Lullaby.
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The DE immortality seeking people aren't so crazy after all. They've avoiding the cold embrace of anime.
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