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OvineYeast posted:Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas quote:In May 2009, The Daily Telegraph reported that Ian Austin had tried to split a claim for stamp duty on buying his second home in London, into two payments and tried to claim the cost back over two financial years. This allowed him to claim the majority of the money (£21,559, just £75 short of the maximum) under his second home allowance in the 2005/06 financial year. He then claimed for the remaining £1,344 stamp duty cost in 2006–2007, together with his legal fees. In all, he went on to claim £22,076 (£34 short of the maximum)in the next financial year.[13]
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Junior G-man posted:"There is no question that the British Armed Forces remain the envy of the world' Cite? I've seen it mooted as an idea in the past, but I don't believe we're actually doing it. And now we're actually going to be using both carriers, there's less reason for us to anyway.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:03
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Two carriers with no planes. And no nuclear reactors. Or catapults.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:06
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"Corbyn suggests the Commons should take action against Tony Blair for misleading it in the run up to the war"
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Jul 6, 2016 13:07
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Ken Clarke calling for a reinstatement of cabinet responsibility and broadening it to parliamentary responsibility. Good man.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:08
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The UK is a 2 carrier 0 hope country.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:09
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TACD posted:"Corbyn suggests the Commons should take action against Tony Blair for misleading it in the run up to the war" There's this strange warm feeling inside. I better go see a doctor.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:10
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Antti posted:There's this strange warm feeling inside. I better go see a doctor. That feeling is Bad for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:11
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Junior G-man posted:"There is no question that the British Armed Forces remain the envy of the world' This statement is perfectly true, in the sense that nobody is asking if the British armed forces are the envy of the world because it's blatantly obvious that they're not. Like how the gently caress do you read Chilcot's statement and not understand that one of the most obvious conclusions is "we are not equipped to successfully prosecute a war of occupation"?
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Jul 6, 2016 13:13
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Also lol at "the only consistently applied strategy after the invasion was pulling out" actual quote to save me from pedants: "In practice, the UK’s most consistent strategic objective in relation to Iraq was to reduce the level of its deployed forces."
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Jul 6, 2016 13:14
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From the Guardian live feed.quote:
I do remember clearly watching a PMQ or something similar not long after the Iraq war and Charles Kennedy was getting so much abuse for opposing the war - "how dare you say you support our troops when you opposed the war?", it was ridiculous that the two were made out to be the same thing. Poor Charles Kennedy, it is such a shame he didn't make it to see the report come out.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:15
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David Davis says that Blair deceived the house, and asks what can be done about it.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:20
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Tesseraction posted:David Davis says that Blair deceived the house, and asks what can be done about it. Cameron ignores the question and blows him off 
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Jul 6, 2016 13:20
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So is Cameron being nice about all the gently caress ups in Iraq just trying to cover his own arse with regards to Libya?
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Jul 6, 2016 13:21
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Obliged to vote in favour of war to support the troops? How in the gently caress does troops being shot at and blown up equal supporting them?
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Jul 6, 2016 13:22
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Tory benches are quite empty at the moment.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:22
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nothing to seehere posted:Cameron ignores the question and blows him off Yeah. Basically saying "IT'S NOT DECEIT! IT'S NOT!" and then slinking back to his seat. Also I like all the veiled insults about not planning for the Brexit vote from both sides of the house.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:23
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hookerbot 5000 posted:From the Guardian live feed. Robin Cook pointed out this was no contradiction when he resigned https://twitter.com/jimrobottom/status/750658078081687552
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Firos posted:Obliged to vote in favour of war to support the troops? You have to support troops in the abstract. The concept of troops. Are boys. The real troops, what with their complaints about unarmored landrovers, lack of body armor, nasty veteran injuries etc need to be swept under the rug as soon as humanly possible.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:25
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Overminty posted:Robin Cook pointed out this was no contradiction when he resigned Corbo looking snappy as ever there
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Jul 6, 2016 13:25
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Haha Corbyn just staring in the background e:f,b
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Jul 6, 2016 13:28
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I unironically like Cameron much more since he announced his resignation. He should have resigned years ago.
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jiggerypokery posted:I unironically like Cameron much more since he announced his resignation. He should have resigned years ago. If he'd never been an MP he might have been my favourite dead pig fucker of all time.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:29
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Corbin is just terrible in the house.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:30
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Rakosi posted:Corbin is just terrible in the house. piss off
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Jul 6, 2016 13:33
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Rakosi posted:Corbin is just terrible in the house. You, however, are terrible everywhere.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:34
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Renaissance Robot posted:A defence equivalent to the financial sector's constant crowing of "we've done nothing illegal", or as children know it, "ain't no rule!" Unless you're in favour of retroactive justice, which is a stupid idea, "We've done nothing illegal" is a real defense. Tony Blair can't be held to account for breaking a set of laws that we aren't a signatory to (The Kampala Amendments in the ICC that dictate the prosecution of the Act of Aggression) and that don't come into effect until 2017.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:35
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Tesseraction posted:-wrong to not trust intelligence committees In fairness this is actually a good lesson. The Joint Intelligence Committee advised that there was no evidence of active WMD production and the entire intelligence community with the exception of a couple of tame MI6 officers were saying the dodgy dossier was, well, dodgy. Eliza Manningham-Buller even outright told them going to war would massively destabilise the area and would certainly lead to an increase in domestic terrorism. The Blairites can hardly claim they didn't know this as they willingly signed off on the largest expansion in the MI5 budget since 1939.
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I'll at least grant that 'Corbin' is more subtle than the (((parentheses))) thing. Not much more subtle, but a tiny bit. Can we get a wordfilter to change it to 'Liz Kendall'?
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Jul 6, 2016 13:36
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namesake posted:You, however, are terrible everywhere. Terribly correct  Is there absolutely anything new in this report that could be used to indict Blair on charges, or is it just 3 million words of confirmation of what we already knew?
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Jul 6, 2016 13:39
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Unless you're in favour of retroactive justice, which is a stupid idea, "We've done nothing illegal" is a real defense. Congratulations on missing the point.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:In fairness this is actually a good lesson. The Joint Intelligence Committee advised that there was no evidence of active WMD production and the entire intelligence community with the exception of a couple of tame MI6 officers were saying the dodgy dossier was, well, dodgy. Eliza Manningham-Buller even outright told them going to war would massively destabilise the area and would certainly lead to an increase in domestic terrorism. The Blairites can hardly claim they didn't know this as they willingly signed off on the largest expansion in the MI5 budget since 1939. Oh yeah, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with those, just felt it worth putting them up.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:40
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Such a shame the Charles Kennedy didn't get to see this
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Unless you're in favour of retroactive justice, which is a stupid idea, "We've done nothing illegal" is a real defense.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh yeah, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with those, just felt it worth putting them up. Got to admit that's dangerously close to saying we should listen to experts on things they're expert in.
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Just catching up on today's Parliament and Cameron says that Britain under his leadership could now never put troops on the ground without proper discussion and a vote in the House. Is sending troops to war without discussion or a vote not exactly what he did in Libya?
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big scary monsters posted:Just catching up on today's Parliament and Cameron says that Britain under his leadership could now never put troops on the ground without proper discussion and a vote in the House. Is sending troops to war without discussion or a vote not exactly what he did in Libya? Ah, but they weren't actually 'on the ground' so technically...
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Jul 6, 2016 13:46
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Renaissance Robot posted:Congratulations on missing the point. I'm not the one falsely accusing someone of being a war criminal.
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Cerv posted:Such a shame the Charles Kennedy didn't get to see this big scary monsters posted:Just catching up on today's Parliament and Cameron says that Britain under his leadership could now never put troops on the ground without proper discussion and a vote in the House. Is sending troops to war without discussion or a vote not exactly what he did in Libya? (I am ignoring whether airmen are troops.)
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I thought special forces were in fact on the ground in Libya and some were even killed.
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