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MacheteZombie posted:BvS stills Shots like these are why I will never understand the criticism I see repeated again and again that Snyder movies are "washed out" or "desaturated."
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Shots like these are why I will never understand the criticism I see repeated again and again that Snyder movies are "washed out" or "desaturated." For what it's worth, I don't mean this as a criticism of the film, but 'washed out' or 'muted' absolutely feel like appropriate words to me, even if someone smarter than me might be able to discuss it as a white shift or what have you. I think the pertinent question though, is why would that automatically be a bad thing?
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I think it's the part where people use "washed out" as a way to say the film is bad is what bugs MeatwadIsGod. You don't have to like the style of ZS's films, but that doesn't make his artistic choice bad. It also isn't the best criticism to say the movie is bad/ugly because of the coloring because it is easily disproven. Might show my technical ignorance with this statement, but, imo, all he really does is use a sepia tone stylization for his movies, which I guess is just too much for people. e: I plan to make some gifs this weekend, and possibly more screenshots to come. If there's anything specific you want, PM me, or post in here and I'll do my best to remember. Feel free to jack any pics/gifs I post for other threads or other sites.
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What if Batman V Superman wasn't in color? http://imgur.com/a/Q02Lw   
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That still looks great.
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hiddenriverninja posted:That still looks great. I need to do Man of Steel this way and do a video essay on the results.
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I didn't even realize that some people didn't like Snyder's typical look, I've always loved it. Just goes to show you that this stuff is 100% personal taste and such a thing as objective quality in film/art really doesn't exist.
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K. Waste posted:What if Batman V Superman wasn't in color? This looks incredible, I'd be interested in seeing MOS get the same treatment.
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So basically what I've noticed in that what people tend to cite as evidence of "washed out" or "desaturated" photography in these movies is that the daylight scenes tend to have relatively low levels of contrast, such that there are still pure, crushing blacks, but there are virtually no pure whites. He also tends to shoot on overcast days where lighting's more diffused. In the North Africa sequence in particular, the preponderance of sand further diffuses the available light.    In response to this, in stark contrast with, say, how Iron Man depicts the harsh mid-eastern sun, Snyder and Fong actually deliberately under-expose the image just enough to maintain both latitude with a critical depth of field, but to also emphasize the relationship between the oppressively 'lifeless' climate of the desert and the murky economic-political machinations at work in the sequence. The lighting and color scheme of the sequences emphasizes foreboding, underlying menace - As opposed to Iron Man, which is just a starkly illuminated, un-oppressive fantasy.   There are further dramatic reasons for this lighting, and part of that has to do with its lending scenes and shots that do exploit higher contrast that much more impact.      
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The last batch of shots I hadn't posted (I wasn't sure if there was a limit so I didn't want to dump too much at once)  e: dammit about 4-6 of these got jacked up by my quick screenshot methods. MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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I have a lot of problems with BvS and Watchmen but the way they were shot isn't amongst them.
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K. Waste posted:What if Batman V Superman wasn't in color? It would be freaking awesome?
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K. Waste posted:What if Batman V Superman wasn't in color? Sick as gently caress.
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This shot owns.
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Thanks, this was one of my faves.
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God drat.
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I specifically remember seeing this in IMAX and thinking that it was straight out of a Frank Miller comic, I'm glad to know that I'm not wrong at all.
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Slugworth posted:I guess I can't say that washed out or desaturated are quite the right words, but do you really not look at those screens and see that the film is colored much differently than the average film? I mean, there is snow and it's not white. Snow is usually white. Yeah, I take issue more with those words being bandied about as shorthand for saying Snyder is a bad director like MacheteZombie was saying. I can definitely see that a blue tint seems prevalent in some of the outdoor scenes, but I wouldn't call it washed out, really. I remember my first impression of Watchmen was that everything seemed "sterile" for lack of a better word. "Hyper-real" might be a better word. Even the violence has a crisp, clean aspect to it, which I think was intentional and to the movie's credit. But maybe it's that sort of impression that rubs people the wrong way. Also, it looks like Fury Road isn't the only recent blockbuster deserving of a black and white cut. drat. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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The evil misty lakeside villa is like the one in Goodnight Mommy.
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Yoshifan823 posted:I specifically remember seeing this in IMAX and thinking that it was straight out of a Frank Miller comic, I'm glad to know that I'm not wrong at all. All it needs is venetian blind lighting.
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BiggerBoat posted:All it needs is venetian blind lighting. Swastika earrings.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Swastika earrings. I'm pretty sure there are reverse swastika decals on the trucks in the Omega Dream.
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K. Waste posted:I'm pretty sure there are reverse swastika decals on the trucks in the Omega Dream. My Plex Server is down right now or I'd check and screen cap this for ya.
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K. Waste posted:I'm pretty sure there are reverse swastika decals on the trucks in the Omega Dream. I'm sure I woulda noticed but I will take you at your word.
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Ah, bout time someone dealt with Golden Dawn.
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By the way, that looks awfully familiar:
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Oh drat I was just screencapped the truck to post. Haha Thanks Sir Kodiak.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:By the way, that looks awfully familiar: And as with everything else, it somehow fantastically manages to serve the dual purpose of acting as foreshadowing for Justice League while also perfectly foregrounding Bruce's subconscious. Like, basically the implication of the dream is that in his fantasy, Batman is leading a para-military group whose symbol is a reversal upon and x'd out version of the swastika - And the ultimate form of betrayal to him would be that this deliberately anti-fascist image would be a cover-up for fascism. But, then, of course, he doesn't realize that this alien symbol actually means "hope," and he's actually the only one whose alliance uses fascist imagery. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:By the way, that looks awfully familiar: That is loving dope and yet another example of how, yes, Snyder clearly likes these characters and put a lot of thought into this movie. My memory is hazy since I only saw this in theaters once, but those trucks belong to the guys that doublecross Batman and not to Batman himself, right?
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I just like Grant Morrison's notebook doodles.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Ooooh. Who should they get for Dan Turpin/Darkseid ? Whoever they get for Darkseid will be a disappointment because it won't be Michael Ironside. He was absolutely perfect, anyone else is a downgrade.
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Basebf555 posted:Whoever they get for Darkseid will be a disappointment because it won't be Michael Ironside. He was absolutely perfect, anyone else is a downgrade. Holding out hope.
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God bless Andrea Romano for always fitting the best possible voice actor to a character. If he wasn't already in Marvel land, I'd give it to Mickey Rourke. You wouldn't even need much makeup for that craggy appearance and he already played an imposing-as-gently caress villain opposite Cavill in Immortals. I think he could carry it well with a similar performance as Darkseid.Sir Kodiak posted:They've already announced that Steppenwolf will be fully CGI, so I'd assume the same for Darkseid, just like Thanos. I hadn't heard that and it's kind of a bummer if true. The CG-heavy Doomsday fight is probably my least favorite part of BvS. I think Man of Steel and BvS benefit a lot from Michael Shannon and Jesse Eisenberg being onscreen lending their unique presence to their respective movies. I'd love to be proven wrong and have an all-CG Steppenwolf or Darkseid work, but I'd much rather have a real actor with some CG embellishments when needed. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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They've already announced that Steppenwolf will be fully CGI, so I'd assume the same for Darkseid, just like Thanos.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:God bless Andrea Romano for always fitting the best possible voice actor to a character. If he wasn't already in Marvel land, I'd give it to Mickey Rourke. You wouldn't even need much makeup for that craggy appearance and he already played an imposing-as-gently caress villain opposite Cavill in Immortals. I think he could carry it well with a similar performance as Darkseid. He could do the Turpin/Darkseid avatar from Final Crisis extremely well.
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Basebf555 posted:Whoever they get for Darkseid will be a disappointment because it won't be Michael Ironside. He was absolutely perfect, anyone else is a downgrade. Clancy Brown. It'll probably never happen, sadly, since he's already been cast in a DC show and he's probably a little old for it anyways.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I think Man of Steel and BvS benefit a lot from Michael Shannon and Jesse Eisenberg being onscreen lending their unique presence to their respective movies. I'd love to be proven wrong and have an all-CG Steppenwolf or Darkseid work, but I'd much rather have a real actor with some CG embellishments when needed. I selfishly wish that Zod wasn't killed because Michael Shannon was so amazing in that role. I like that the end of MOS had actual consequences, but man oh man Shannon was awesome. When I rewatched MOS to do a BVS double header, it's really interesting how similar Zod and Superman are. There were a lot of little details I picked up on after viewing BVS: - Zod and Superman both getting facial scars during a fight with an idealogical opponent - Zod explaining how he will do anything to save his world and his people, and Clark holding the same belief but instead of murder he sacrifices himself - As pointed out in this thread, Zod kills Jor El with his Baraka blade, and then kills Kal El with a similar weapon Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head, but there were like a dozen+ times where the visuals or story elements aligned tightly between the two movies that I only realized after watching both again right after each other. Zod is obviously vital to BVS because he becomes Doomsday, but his presence is felt all over the film as the anti-Superman in subtle ways and in amazing callbacks. The attention to details is shocking and it really irritates me when I see people suggest Snyder doesn't understand the characters or he only makes movies for the costumes.
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