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Jerry Cotton posted:
Ah, yes, the "No True Finland" fallacy. edit: Tried to post a map here but something went wrong, will try again later Ratpick fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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 I pressed the quote button you while your image was broken to see a link to the map, since you couldn't get it to work I had to try it for myself. It worked for me for some reason. 
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Kamrat posted:
Thank you, goon sir 
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computer parts posted:There was actually a story not too long ago about autoworkers in (i believe) Alabama that explicitly wanted to unionize, just not with the UAW because they saw them as a bunch of corrupt poo poo heads. With unions, it's a fine line to tread. Everyone here views the US as some sort of nightmarish dystopia where employees have no rights, yet whenever there's another gratuitous strike, people start railing against the unions. Push it too hard and you get Thatcher.
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Jul 6, 2016 07:22
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majormonotone posted:Like how Obamacare is very unpopular in rural areas, but most people there support the actual text of it Old republicans love their medicare but hate single payer because socialist death panels and poo poo.
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Kamrat posted:
Crazy thing Gothic language was still around in 900 AD Crimea don't y'all think?
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Jul 6, 2016 07:38
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computer parts posted:There was actually a story not too long ago about autoworkers in (i believe) Alabama that explicitly wanted to unionize, just not with the UAW because they saw them as a bunch of corrupt poo poo heads. I don't know about that, but my favorite go-to story is the Chattanooga VW factory. VW actively campaigned for the UAW to win because they prefer negotiating with unions (because that's just how Germany is), but between Republican politicians actively threatening to revoke VW's tax advantages and kill expansion plans should the UAW win, literally lying about VW threatening workers voting for the union with lost jobs, and the strong anti-union sentiment in the south in general, the UAW still lost.
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Jul 6, 2016 07:40
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Negrostrike posted:Crazy thing Gothic language was still around in 900 AD Crimea don't y'all think? There is evidence suggesting that it lasted until the 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Gothic
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Negrostrike posted:Crazy thing Gothic language was still around in 900 AD Crimea don't y'all think? Try the late 18th century, Crimean Gothic held out for quite some time (at least in a couple of isolated places). Here is a neat summary of the linguistic characteristics of it along with a translation of the only description we have of the people and their language (a Latin letter written by the Flemish-born ambassador of the HRE to the Sublime Porte in 1562). Another linguistic holdout that I always found really cool was Etruscan; Emperor Claudius (d. 54 AD) was married to an Etruscan woman and took some interest in the language; he even penned a Latin-Etruscan dictionary by interviewing the few old farmers up north who were still able to speak it. Sadly it's been lost, and Claudius is the last known person able to speak it. It is last mentioned as a (potentially) extant language in the following anecdote: Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae, c. 180 posted:For instance in Rome in our presence, a man experienced and celebrated as a pleader, but furnished with a sudden and, as it were, hasty education, was speaking to the Prefect of the City, and wished to say that a certain man with a poor and wretched way of life ate bread from bran and drank bad and spoiled wine. “This Roman knight”, he said, “eats apluda and drinks flocces.” All who were present looked at each other, first seriously and with an inquiring expression, wondering what the two words meant; thereupon, as if he might have said something in, I don’t know, Gaulish or Etruscan, all of them burst out laughing. At this point, Etruria's heyday would have been over six centuries ago. One last linguistic tidbit: Manchu, the former language of the Manchurian people, was brought to China by the Qing dynasty and was intended to become the main language of the Qing's new empire. It didn't work out, though; in the 18th century there're already complaints that the language is in decline, and by the 19th century even the Imperial court couldn't speak it fluently anymore. It was (kinda haphazardly, apparently) taught to civil and military officers, but this didn't really seem to work all that well. Today there's the grand number of ten people remaining who can call Manchu their native language, all of them at least 90 years old.
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Negrostrike posted:Crazy thing Gothic language was still around in 900 AD Crimea don't y'all think? I first thought this was about the English colony in Crimea made up of refugees fleeing William the Conqueror.
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Yeah, 18th century is even crazier. I wonder if they looked just like today's Germans or Scandinavians.System Metternich posted:One last linguistic tidbit: Manchu, the former language of the Manchurian people, was brought to China by the Qing dynasty and was intended to become the main language of the Qing's new empire. It didn't work out, though; in the 18th century there're already complaints that the language is in decline, and by the 19th century even the Imperial court couldn't speak it fluently anymore. It was (kinda haphazardly, apparently) taught to civil and military officers, but this didn't really seem to work all that well. Today there's the grand number of ten people remaining who can call Manchu their native language, all of them at least 90 years old. Seems like there's some effort to keep it alive but I wouldn't count on it. Have some dude singing in Manchu over a video of Qing soldiers attacking Koreans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTLKx0gRaQQ Negostrike fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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doverhog posted:Old republicans love their medicare but hate single payer because socialist death panels and poo poo. Imagine if they actually knew how private insurers determined what/when/how to pay out.
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Jul 6, 2016 09:56
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Peanut President posted:Nevermind that leftists usually are the hicks (farmers and laborers), and the elite technocrats are usually very conservative (New York, Bay Area) No? This is my opinions and is flawed and uneducated: The nation political center in a country is usually conservative (they don't want change, they are already king of the hill). The economic center is progressive (with caveats), the finnacial center can be conservaive (with rob baron ethics, so they donate money to the poors). The rural world is usually strongly right wing (conservative, religious, traditions). Industrial areas are leftist ( Duh ) but they may have a conservative vibe thanks to populism, xenophobia, etc. Urban areas are generally more progresive, because are where the workers concentrate,and workers want some level of socialism if they don't suffer from a stockholm syndrome. Rural areas are more prone to traditions and pray to god to make evil go away. Agriculture kinda sucks, you are dependent on the Sky. Is going to rain, is not, now it rains too much, has not rain since september. Now the fields are soo full of food that is going to be more expensive to collect it than the money you get. Farmers look at the sky and cry and pray about 120% of the time. Tei fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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Jul 6, 2016 11:45
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Worship of Tengri is 100% correlated with a distrust of civilization.
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Jul 6, 2016 16:27
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No self respecting tengrist would be caught dead farming. You gotta move around, drive your herd to better pastures and maybe forge an world spanning empire or two if you get bored.
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Jul 6, 2016 17:36
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FreudianSlippers posted:No self respecting tengrist would be caught dead farming. You gotta move around, drive your herd to better pastures and maybe forge an world spanning empire or two if you get bored.
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Jul 6, 2016 17:42
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steinrokkan posted:What, not even Marx thought hicks / peasants / farmers were leftists. That's why it's called Marxism-Leninism-Maozedong Thought. The whole idea of the Lumpenproles was wrongheaded from the start.
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Shbobdb posted:That's why it's called Marxism-Leninism-Maozedong Thought. The whole idea of the Lumpenproles was wrongheaded from the start. In contrast: THe glorious intellectual triumphs of Maoism culminating in the defeat of the great class enemy - the common sparrow.
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steinrokkan posted:In contrast: THe glorious intellectual triumphs of Maoism culminating in the defeat of the great class enemy - the  Related: 
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White university graduates believing in Maoism as a viable method of revolution in America is quite possibly the biggest exercise in criminally missing the point ever. 
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 Counterpoint: what could be more American than Mao crossing the Delaware?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I don't know about that, but my favorite go-to story is the Chattanooga VW factory. VW actively campaigned for the UAW to win because they prefer negotiating with unions (because that's just how Germany is), but between Republican politicians actively threatening to revoke VW's tax advantages and kill expansion plans should the UAW win, literally lying about VW threatening workers voting for the union with lost jobs, and the strong anti-union sentiment in the south in general, the UAW still lost. I'm pretty sure VW is planning on just starting their own union in Tennessee now or at least they where before they hosed themselves
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Spoeank posted:I'm part of that 1 MM+ so of course my eye went there. Who's that in your avatar?
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Guavanaut posted:
Italian border control ruthlessly shooting down each and every sparrow trying to illegally immigrate, smh
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Jul 7, 2016 06:27
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Shouldn't be too difficult: what's this? Catholic Western Rite church provinces
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A four color map.
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Jul 7, 2016 13:37
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I can clearly see 5 colors.
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double nine posted:I can clearly see 5 colors. Well done, Captain Pickard.
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Actually I don't see color 
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Why is Libya divided into four provinces, while all of Egypt is just one?
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Angry Salami posted:Why is Libya divided into four provinces, while all of Egypt is just one? Because Libya was split into different provinces to accommodate the growing number of Italian colonizers. The colonial period was cut short by WW2, but the provinces remained.
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System Metternich posted:Shouldn't be too difficult: what's this?
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Ofaloaf posted:I'm surprised at how many provinces there are in China, compared to Russia. Like, yeah, Russia's overwhelmingly Orthodox, but I figured it'd have a more significant Catholic minority than China. China has been subject to active missionary efforts, and those administrative districts are based on missionary organisation whenever there are no historical dioceses.
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Ofaloaf posted:I'm surprised at how many provinces there are in China, compared to Russia. Like, yeah, Russia's overwhelmingly Orthodox, but I figured it'd have a more significant Catholic minority than China. There used to be much more back in the Empire and even in the Soviet Union, but the loss of many of its non-Russian territories, Stalinist paranoia, Soviet unfriendliness towards religion and the deep connection of Russian identity with Eastern orthodoxy (which, especially in Russia, tends to be rabidly anti-Catholic) all contributed to a strong decline in Catholic numbers. Today the Holy See estimates that there are ~770,000 Catholics in Russia which would be only about 0.5% of the total population; other polls speak of only 120,000 Catholics though. In any case not even half of them are ethnically Russian. Crimean Catholics are still part of the (Ukrainian) diocese of Odessa, btw. China has been the object of Catholic missionary efforts for centuries, and at one point Jesuit priests even formed a respected part of the Imperial court as astronomers and the like (reports stating the the Emperor was *this* close to convert are probably exaggerated). A big part of their success was their willingness to adopt Chinese customs and rites into their Catholic liturgy and theology, which in turn was rejected by other missionary order like the Dominicans and Franciscans. During the early 18th century Pope Clement XI banned all incorporation of Confucian ritual into Catholic liturgy, and the Chinese authorities answered with the expulsion of all missionaries. Catholicism still managed to survive, and after WWII there were approximately four million Catholics in China - only a tiny percentage of the total population of course, but still a respectable number. Today the RCC has another problem in China and that is that the PRC has established a rival Catholic Church which doesn't answer to Rome, with about 5.7 million members. Numbers for the "inofficial" (official?) RCC are hard to come by obviously, but estimates range from three to six million. The situation has relaxed somewhat during the last ten years, though.  Pictured: a Jesuit priest in 1617 wearing traditional Chinese clothing, which pissed rivial missionaries off to no end
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Plus Ricci and other missionaries have been at it for a long time. There are and have been a lot of ways religion can be a political statement. After all? Jesus's brother was Chinese. The politicized form Fl Christianity in Russia would have been Old Rite or just plain Orthodoxy.
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It's kinda weird to just list Western Rite provinces, given that some countries are heavily Eastern Rite (among the portion of their population that's Catholic) --- e.g. Ukraine, but I imagine also some of the other countries in Easterj Europe or Middle East
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OddObserver posted:It's kinda weird to just list Western Rite provinces, given that some countries are heavily Eastern Rite (among the portion of their population that's Catholic) --- e.g. Ukraine, but I imagine also some of the other countries in Easterj Europe or Middle East Not really, since they overlap in the same territories. There would be no way in hell to make that map legible.
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Shbobdb posted:Plus Ricci and other missionaries have been at it for a long time. There are and have been a lot of ways religion can be a political statement. After all? Jesus's brother was Chinese. I have read this post five times and it has yet to make sense. Am I missing something here?  e: vvv lol vvv System Metternich fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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System Metternich posted:I have read this post five times and it has yet to make sense. Am I missing something here? Yeah, Jesus's brother Jinping was Chinese and the politicized fomr FI Christianity in Russia would have been Old Sprite or just plain Orthodoxy. Plus, Cristina Ricci has been at it for a long time.
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Stupid tablet autocorrect. The politicized form of Christianity. The other parts apply to Mateo Ricci a famous missionary and sinologist and Hong Xiuquan who lead the Taiping Rebellion and claimed to be the younger brother of Jesus. He was a pretty interesting figure, especially since his understanding of Christianity came from proselytizing tracts. While not quite as extreme, imagine a dude whose understanding of Christianity came only from Chick tracts.
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