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axeil posted:So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off. So things shouldn't get better because they used to be bad?
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We’ll all remember where we were when we saw Alton Sterling killed in a brutal act of police violencequote:You cannot un-see what those police officers did to Alton Sterling. Even though I had an idea of what I was about to watch, seeing it still somehow took my breath away.
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socialsecurity posted:So things shouldn't get better because they used to be bad?
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WampaLord posted:If that demographic voted in similar numbers to the 65+ demographic, poo poo would have been fixed a long time ago. So instead we're giving a benefit to the 18-21 year old demographic who votes even less than 22-30? Keep in mind, I think this is a good thing, I'm just sort of annoyed a Good Thing is happening where myself and a lot of my friends had to deal with Bad Thing and won't get very much to compensate. Crows Turn Off posted:"gently caress you, I didn't get mine"? Yeah, it's pretty much this. I suppose people in the future will say "Well at least I paid off my loans, instead of having the government pay for them."
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axeil posted:So instead we're giving a benefit to the 18-21 year old demographic who votes even less than 22-30? You realize at the speed that government gets things done, almost no one who is currently in college will likely benefit from this? More like 14-17 year olds. And they CAN'T EVEN VOTE!
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WampaLord posted:You realize at the speed that government gets things done, almost no one who is currently in college will likely benefit from this? More like 14-17 year olds. Sneaky Hillary going after the tween vote!
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axeil posted:A 3 month freeze on repayment with modifications to lower interest rates are a good compromise for those who don't get it debt-free. A full on forgiveness program would be nice, but there's no way that's viable without throwing the industry into a maelstrom. She actually has proposed forgiveness programs as part of other proposals. They're all on her website.
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axeil posted:So instead we're giving a benefit to the 18-21 year old demographic who votes even less than 22-30? Yes, it sucks, not accusing you of it, but that line of thinking is exactly why good poo poo in government and good policies doesn't happen often. It's the gently caress you I had to deal with it so I'm not gonna make it better for those coming after me mentality. which is really bad policy.
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Sir Tonk posted:So Stein's strategy this year is to just do whatever the Republicans are doing, only a day later? The Green Party are poo poo and have been for a while. Their main goal is trying to get into the mainstream and their policies are shaped around that.
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Dexo posted:Yes, it sucks, not accusing you of it, but that line of thinking is exactly why good poo poo in government and policies doesn't happen often. It's the gently caress you I had to deal with it so I'm not gonna make it better for those coming after me mentality. which is really bad policy. Agreed. I think it's why if you want any policy that targets a specific group you need to bundle it with other things. Classic example is farm subsidies being connected with the food stamps program. Farmers don't generally need food stamps and food stamp recipients usually aren't farmers, so to get both groups on board with a policy that won't help them they tie it together. Sadly horse-trading and negotiation like that died in Congress a long time ago. I'm hoping the Dems somehow manage to take it back and undo a lot of the stuff that makes good governance tough.
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axeil posted:A full on forgiveness program would be nice, but there's no way that's viable without throwing the industry into a maelstrom.
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Kilroy posted:who loving cares It is a bit funny to see axeil split between "Forgive all student debt" and " Oh no, the finance industry! "
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If nothing else, affordable college gives those millienials who missed the boat a break on paying college tuition for any of their future kids down the road.
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Doing a Find & Replace to change Obama to Clinton sure will make his lovely lawsuits less believable.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It still disgusts me that in the Brown case that prosecutor, who has the job of explaining to a grand jury why charges were necessary, instead behaved like he was the cop's personal defense attorney. So of course the jury wasn't going to recommend charges when all they heard was pro-cop stuff. Why would he do his job and tank his career when he could instead abuse his position so that he could further his own political career? Epic High Five posted:I hope Comey uses his questioning to announce his intention to investigate usage of private servers to handle Benghazi Committee business and the illegal tampering with of federal documents by the same We don't deserve to live in a world that good.
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Kilroy posted:who loving cares The finance industry going bad is bad for everyone. see: the global financial crisis
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She actually has proposed forgiveness programs as part of other proposals. They're all on her website. Out of curiosity, is it the same "work for the government for 10 years and your good" thing that's in place now?
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UV_Catastrophe posted:If nothing else, affordable college gives those millienials who missed the boat a break on paying college tuition for any of their future kids down the road. I wasn't planning on paying for that anyway. So, thanks for nothing, Clinton. Though I guess at least she's going to try to do something. I say try because I think it will fail.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Out of curiosity, is it the same "work for the government for 10 years and your good" thing that's in place now? About that. I work for the government, kind of, and I'm not included. Apparently it's somewhat limited in scope.
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Pakled posted:The finance industry going bad is bad for everyone. At any rate it's not clear how loan forgiveness is going to gently caress up anything - the government would not pass a law mandating that all student loan creditors are poo poo outta luck. It would pay the debts and the creditors would be made whole. They lose out on some fixed income, but otherwise no big deal and any bank that would be put out of business by that, should be put out of business by that.
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Top secret secret rumor is these are Clinton's plans for existing student debt:quote:*Refinance their student loans at current rates, just as borrowers can refinance a car or home loan. Refinancing would help 25 million borrowers across the country, with the typical borrower saving $2,000 over the life of the loan.
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# ? Jul 6, 2016 18:01 |
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Service guarantees we won't crush you under a mountain of debt!
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Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups? Is it 'gently caress You, Didn't Get Mine' if I hate the idea of a kid getting debt relief because he created the next Flappy Bird or a company that sends you toilet paper for $5 a month that inexplicably gets valued at $50 million or some other crazy poo poo? e: Trabisnikof beat me to it
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups? Let me tell you a little secret. there is a reason most start-ups are made by white kids from decently well off parents. Those kids can afford to spend 3 years making next to no money as they have a family that can take care of them. I know plenty of college grads with Giving a loan deferment and some forgiveness for people to try to innovate isn't exactly a bad idea. Dexo fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/750739067873193984
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups? Not all new "businesses or social enterprises" are phone apps.
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WampaLord posted:It is a bit funny to see axeil split between "Forgive all student debt" and " Oh no, the finance industry! " I aim to entertain you all with my cognitive dissonance. Trabisnikof posted:Top secret secret rumor is these are Clinton's plans for existing student debt: These are all good ideas. Especially the Americorps one. axeil fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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axeil posted:So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off. *gingerly extends claw to pull other crabs back into bucket*
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alright bring it in folks im sure we can find a way that hillary's plans for reducing debt burdens are actually bad if we put our heads togetherBetterToRuleInHell posted:Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups? if they're truly some silver spoon prick making an app on their father's dime, they won't have outstanding debt to begin with. duh
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https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/750711333260320768
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axeil posted:So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off. I think I saw this same argument on the Battle.net forums from people demanding that Blizzard refund the gold difference from when the cost of epic mounts was dropped from 1000 gold. Especially from people who had juuust finished their grind a week before the patch.
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Dexo posted:Let me tell you a little secret. there is a reason most start-ups are made by white kids from decently well off parents. Those kids can afford to spend 3 years making next to no money as they have a family that can take care of them. Well, what's going to stop this relief program from going mainly to well-off white kids then? This is the perfect example of racism hidden behind good intentions. I'm sure Clinton means well but I doubt this will be a boon for minority entrepreneurs. e: fixed for spelling brainfarts BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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We did it guys! We really did it!
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DolphinCop posted:alright bring it in folks im sure we can find a way that hillary's plans for reducing debt burdens are actually bad if we put our heads together That's like saying Trump is rich so surely he wouldn't take advantage of tax breaks. People with money look for ways to keep their money.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Well, what's going to stop this relief program from going mainly to well-off white kids then? those kids don't have to worry about college debt p much at all anyway.
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The most enthusiastic photo of Carson they could find is one of him mid-yawn.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Well, what's going to stop this relief program from going mainly to well-off white kids then? If they're well off, they don't have debt.
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Somebody help me here. Lynch and the Justice Department haven't issued a decision yet on the Clinton emails so, what is it that she's supposed to testify to next week? Isn't the Republican House actually trying to unduly influence that decision by having her testify about a still ongoing investigation? Can she even do that?
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radical meme posted:Somebody help me here. Lynch and the Justice Department haven't issued a decision yet on the Clinton emails so, what is it that she's supposed to testify to next week? Isn't the Republican House actually trying to unduly influence that decision by having her testify about a still ongoing investigation? Can she even do that? N.S.C.I. = Never Stop Congressional Investigations Dexo posted:those kids don't have to worry about college debt p much at all anyway. WampaLord posted:If they're well off, they don't have debt. You guys have more faith in government programs not being abused by people with wealth/power a lot more than me. BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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radical meme posted:Somebody help me here. Lynch and the Justice Department haven't issued a decision yet on the Clinton emails so, what is it that she's supposed to testify to next week? Isn't the Republican House actually trying to unduly influence that decision by having her testify about a still ongoing investigation? Can she even do that? She said she would follow the FBI's decision, which is clearly political influence.
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