axeil posted:

So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off.

With people older than my generational cohort having by and large better jobs because they got into industries pre-recession and people after my cohort earning way more over their lifetimes because they won't have mountains of debt over their heads, it seems like the 22-30 year old group of Millenials got screwed from both sides.

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You cannot un-see what those police officers did to Alton Sterling. Even though I had an idea of what I was about to watch, seeing it still somehow took my breath away.

We've seen a lot of police brutality these past few years, but seeing the police first tackle and manhandle Alton Sterling, mount him like a UFC fighter, then pull their guns out and shoot him repeatedly at point-blank range, killing him right there in front of his local convenience store where he was known as the "CD Man," was equal parts devastating, infuriating, heartbreaking, maddening and overwhelming.

Whatever you do, don't try to make sense of what those police did to Alton Sterling. What they did doesn't make sense. They killed him. That kind of killing rarely makes much sense.

The Orlando shooting doesn't make sense. That mom who shot and killed her two daughters doesn't make sense. These officers killing Alton Sterling doesn't make sense.

Now, you know and I know that we will soon learn what Alton Sterling's farts smelled like in the third grade. They'll reach as far back as they need to find a way degrade and dehumanize him. Please don't fall for that.

What you need to remember is how you felt when you first saw this man killed. You knew it was a grave injustice. Nothing they can say from this point forward should be able to change that.

In a nation fully obsessed with guns — in which we have more guns than people — a black man with a gun in his pocket, or a 12-year-old with a toy gun at a park, or a grown man with a toy gun at Walmart all get shot and killed on contact.

What are we supposed to do? How are we supposed to see what they did to Alton Sterling then watch SportsCenter or sitcoms? How do we crack jokes and move on?

socialsecurity posted:

So things shouldn't get better because they used to be bad?

WampaLord posted:

If that demographic voted in similar numbers to the 65+ demographic, poo poo would have been fixed a long time ago.

Crows Turn Off posted:

"gently caress you, I didn't get mine"?

axeil posted:

So instead we're giving a benefit to the 18-21 year old demographic who votes even less than 22-30?

WampaLord posted:

You realize at the speed that government gets things done, almost no one who is currently in college will likely benefit from this? More like 14-17 year olds.

axeil posted:

A 3 month freeze on repayment with modifications to lower interest rates are a good compromise for those who don't get it debt-free. A full on forgiveness program would be nice, but there's no way that's viable without throwing the industry into a maelstrom.

axeil posted:

So instead we're giving a benefit to the 18-21 year old demographic who votes even less than 22-30?

Keep in mind, I think this is a good thing, I'm just sort of annoyed a Good Thing is happening where myself and a lot of my friends had to deal with Bad Thing and won't get very much to compensate.


Yeah, it's pretty much this. I suppose people in the future will say "Well at least I paid off my loans, instead of having the government pay for them."

Sir Tonk posted:

So Stein's strategy this year is to just do whatever the Republicans are doing, only a day later?

Dexo posted:

Yes, it sucks, not accusing you of it, but that line of thinking is exactly why good poo poo in government and policies doesn't happen often. It's the gently caress you I had to deal with it so I'm not gonna make it better for those coming after me mentality. which is really bad policy.

axeil posted:

A full on forgiveness program would be nice, but there's no way that's viable without throwing the industry into a maelstrom.

Kilroy posted:

who loving cares

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/750721488500592640

FlamingLiberal posted:

It still disgusts me that in the Brown case that prosecutor, who has the job of explaining to a grand jury why charges were necessary, instead behaved like he was the cop's personal defense attorney. So of course the jury wasn't going to recommend charges when all they heard was pro-cop stuff.

Epic High Five posted:

I hope Comey uses his questioning to announce his intention to investigate usage of private servers to handle Benghazi Committee business and the illegal tampering with of federal documents by the same

Kilroy posted:

who loving cares

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

She actually has proposed forgiveness programs as part of other proposals. They're all on her website.

UV_Catastrophe posted:

If nothing else, affordable college gives those millienials who missed the boat a break on paying college tuition for any of their future kids down the road.

A Winner is Jew posted:

Out of curiosity, is it the same "work for the government for 10 years and your good" thing that's in place now?

Pakled posted:

The finance industry going bad is bad for everyone.

see: the global financial crisis

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*Refinance their student loans at current rates, just as borrowers can refinance a car or home loan. Refinancing would help 25 million borrowers across the country, with the typical borrower saving $2,000 over the life of the loan.

*Enroll in income-based repayment. Nobody should have to pay more than 10 percent of monthly income, and college debt should be forgiven after 20 years – and 10 years if a borrower works in the public interest. Hillary will simplify, expand and develop options for automatic enrollment in these programs.

*Push employers to contribute to student debt relief. Employers must be part of the solution to the student debt crisis. Clinton will create a payroll deduction portal for employers and employees that will simplify the repayment process. She will explore further options to encourage employers to help pay down student debt.

*Get relief from debt for starting a business or social enterprise. Aspiring entrepreneurs will be able to defer their loans with no payments or interest for up to three years so that student debt and the lack of family wealth is not a barrier to innovation in our country. For social entrepreneurs and those starting new enterprises in distressed communities, her plan will provide up to $17,500 in loan forgiveness.

*Reward public service. AmeriCorps members who complete two years of national service and a year of public service can have their loans forgiven. Teachers who teach in high-need areas or in subjects with teacher shortages – such as computer science or special education – will get enhanced loan forgiveness.

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups?

Is it 'gently caress You, Didn't Get Mine' if I hate the idea of a kid getting debt relief because he created the next Flappy Bird or a company that sends you toilet paper for $5 a month that inexplicably gets valued at $50 million or some other crazy poo poo?

e: Trabisnikof beat me to it

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups?

Is it 'gently caress You, Didn't Get Mine' if I hate the idea of a kid getting debt relief because he created the next Flappy Bird or a company that sends you toilet paper for $5 a month that inexplicably gets valued at $50 million or some other crazy poo poo?

e: Trabisnikof beat me to it

WampaLord posted:

It is a bit funny to see axeil split between "Forgive all student debt" and " Oh no, the finance industry! "

Trabisnikof posted:

Top secret secret rumor is these are Clinton's plans for existing student debt:

axeil posted:

So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off.

With people older than my generational cohort having by and large better jobs because they got into industries pre-recession and people after my cohort earning way more over their lifetimes because they won't have mountains of debt over their heads, it seems like the 22-30 year old group of Millenials got screwed from both sides.

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Doesn't Clinton also want to provide college debt relief to kids with startups?

Is it 'gently caress You, Didn't Get Mine' if I hate the idea of a kid getting debt relief because he created the next Flappy Bird or a company that sends you toilet paper for $5 a month that inexplicably gets valued at $50 million or some other crazy poo poo?

e: Trabisnikof beat me to it

axeil posted:

So apparently Hillary has added debt-free college to her platform. Guess this is her continuing to appeal to the Bernie crowd. My question though, what about all of us who had tens of thousands in student loan debt and actually, ya know, paid it off? College tuiton needs to change in this country but drat if this isn't a pretty hosed up situation for those who still have the huge debt burdens or wasted years of income paying them off.

With people older than my generational cohort having by and large better jobs because they got into industries pre-recession and people after my cohort earning way more over their lifetimes because they won't have mountains of debt over their heads, it seems like the 22-30 year old group of Millenials got screwed from both sides.

Dexo posted:

Let me tell you a little secret. there is a reason most start-ups are made by white kids from decently well off parents. Those kids can afford to spend 3 years making next to no money as they have a family that can take care of them.

I know plenty of college grads with great ideas that they just never had the choice to actually try and pursue because they had to pay off loans and make a living.


Giving a loan deferment and some forgiveness for people to try to innovate isn't exactly a bad idea.

MariusLecter posted:

DolphinCop posted:

alright bring it in folks im sure we can find a way that hillary's plans for reducing debt burdens are actually bad if we put our heads together


if they're truly some silver spoon prick making an app on their father's dime, they won't have outstanding debt to begin with. duh

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Well, what's going to stop this relief program from going mainly to well-off white kids then?

This is the perfect example of racism hidden behind good intentions. I'm sure Clinton means well but I doubt this will be a boon for monitory entrepreneurs.

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Well, what's going to stop this relief program from going mainly to well-off white kids then?

This is the perfect example of racism hidden behind good intentions. I'm sure Clinton means well but I doubt this will be a boon for monitory entrepreneurs.

radical meme posted:

Somebody help me here. Lynch and the Justice Department haven't issued a decision yet on the Clinton emails so, what is it that she's supposed to testify to next week? Isn't the Republican House actually trying to unduly influence that decision by having her testify about a still ongoing investigation? Can she even do that?

Dexo posted:

those kids don't have to worry about college debt p much at all anyway.

WampaLord posted:

If they're well off, they don't have debt.

radical meme posted:

Somebody help me here. Lynch and the Justice Department haven't issued a decision yet on the Clinton emails so, what is it that she's supposed to testify to next week? Isn't the Republican House actually trying to unduly influence that decision by having her testify about a still ongoing investigation? Can she even do that?