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I was reading some funny articles about Liefeld and wondered if he's ever worked exclusively as an inker? I could almost see it working if a good penciller laid down decent anatomy, perspective, coherent story telling and backgrounds first. I know it would be cross hatched to hell and back but I think it's possible that Rob's "energy" might actually translate OK with a solid drawer.
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BiggerBoat posted:I was reading some funny articles about Liefeld and wondered if he's ever worked exclusively as an inker? I could almost see it working if a good penciller laid down decent anatomy, perspective, coherent story telling and backgrounds first.  He inked some Kirby stuff in the mid-90s and somehow still managed to remove nearly every foot.
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funtax posted:
This is the comic book version of that lady who erased the Jesus painting and tried to put it back.
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Jul 6, 2016 18:41
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Travis343 posted:Thank you for defending Howard Chaykin so that I do not have to go on a weird rant again I hope Chaykin's stub arms period is just forgotten about. A novelty to bring up as a joke. "Oh poo poo yeah, I forgot Chaykin was drawing Wolverine like a morlock then!" It's pretty much monthly hackery anyway, so who really cares? Nothing of value was really lost. funtax posted:
That reminds me, Liefeld along with the rest of the original Image crew helped eliminate the "Jack the Hack" stigma that had been plaguing Kirby since the 70s. It's clear that he was one of their top artistic inspirations, they loved him and they frequently said so. I don't think they get enough credit for that. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 6, 2016 |
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Jul 6, 2016 20:13
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Otto Schmidt on Green Arrow #2.  e: He did his own colours too. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Jul 6, 2016 20:25
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Teenage Fansub posted:Otto Schmidt on Green Arrow #2. I mean, that is definitely some beautiful art. However, I have no idea what the gently caress is going on storywise. Why is Oliver plunging into hell?
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Jul 6, 2016 21:08
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Savidudeosoo posted:I mean, that is definitely some beautiful art. Green Arrow is the best looking book DC is publishing right now and also he was having some wicked nightmares.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:21
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4 Kids Walk Into A Bank #2
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Jul 8, 2016 11:23
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Teenage Fansub posted:4 Kids Walk Into A Bank #2 That is... really pretty sweet.
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Jul 11, 2016 00:16
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If you're not reading 4 Kids Walk Into A Bank, well, you probably need to fix that.
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Jul 11, 2016 13:12
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Jaime McKelvie did the art direction for the new CHVRCHES video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9BLMNn0PrQ It looks only ok overlaid on the CGI imo, though there are some more 2D moments (esp. starting at 1:36) where it looks amazing.
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Jul 11, 2016 15:45
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Lightning Lord posted:I hope Chaykin's stub arms period is just forgotten about. A novelty to bring up as a joke. "Oh poo poo yeah, I forgot Chaykin was drawing Wolverine like a morlock then!" It's pretty much monthly hackery anyway, so who really cares? Nothing of value was really lost. .....people disliked Jack Kirby? Were they high?
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Jul 12, 2016 01:02
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El Gallinero Gros posted:.....people disliked Jack Kirby? Were they high? They were influenced by Marvel propaganda when their conflict with him was at it's height, and confused by Fourth World, Eternals and Devil Dinosaur in comparison to the 60s Marvel work that made him famous. Silver Star and Captain Victory and the Galactic Rangers were received very poorly too. So no, they weren't high, just stupid. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Jul 12, 2016 01:34
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A lot of people didn't like Kirby, especially a lot of kids/teens in the late 70's early 80's who hated his blocky style, square eyes and who preferred hyper cool anatomy renderers like Neil Adams, John Buscema, Jim Aparo and the kings of super incredible detail like George Perez. For a while, the things that dictated taste were how REAL something looked, which is not bad in and of itself and I like it too. Take Alex Ross for example. I myself didn't come to appreciate Kirby until I began to understand composition, storytelling and the practical application of solid black ink on a page. As I aged and looked at his work again with fresh eyes I realized what a master he was. You can read an entire comic of Kirby art without captions or dialogue and know exactly what's going on, which is really the benchmark of the medium. Frank Miller at his best was the same way and suffered the same faults (blocky characters, loose anatomy, etc.).
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Jul 12, 2016 04:21
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Remember that the 90s had Rob Liefeld and Joe Mad as the super hot artists everyone wanted to copy because classic comics look BORING man.
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I remember seeing Kirby as a kid and being blown away by it without even knowing his name (comics probably taught me to read but for quite a while I just looked at the pictures) because everything looked so substantial and solid.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:.....people disliked Jack Kirby? Were they high? Lightning Lord posted:They were influenced by Marvel propaganda when their conflict with him was at it's height, and confused by Fourth World, Eternals and Devil Dinosaur in comparison to the 60s Marvel work that made him famous. Silver Star and Captain Victory and the Galactic Rangers were received very poorly too. So no, they weren't high, just stupid. Jonathan Lethem wrote a pretty good essay about the perception of Kirby in 70s http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n08/jonathan-lethem/my-marvel-years quote:Marvel was complicit in my muddled yearning backwards; ours, I should say – mine, Luke’s, even Karl’s. By the time of Kirby’s return, talk of Marvel’s ‘greatness’ was explicitly nostalgic. Any argument, based on a typically American myth of progress, that our contemporary comics might be even more wonderful, was everywhere undermined by a pining for the heyday of the 1960s. This was accomplished most prominently in Stan Lee’s two books: Origins and Son of Origins, which reproduced and burnished the creation myths of the great 1960s characters. Nostalgia was further propagated in Marvel’s reprint titles: Marvel Tales, which offered rewarmed Spider-Man, and the too-aptly-titled Marvel’s Greatest Comics, which put forward the Kirby-Lee run of The Fantastic Four. This was a bit like Paul McCartney and Wings playing Beatles songs on Wings over America. We 1970s kids couldn’t have been issued a clearer message: we’d missed the party.
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I also think a lot of the work Kirby was doing in the 70s was out of step with the market. Bronze Age, to me, means more grounded and realistic (or "realistic") and less crazy high-concept - Spider-Man fighting Roxxon Oil and dealing with the death of Gwen Stacy, Neal Adams' Batman doing the Darknight Detective things and fighting the global League of Assassins instead of weird gimmick villains, and so on. And here's Kirby, going further and further out there with his elaborate Cosmic storytelling (Fourth World) and weird fringe ideas (Kamandi, Devil Dinosaur, the Celestials, OMAC).
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As much as I love Kirby, Kamandi and Devil Dinosaur are not things that 99.99% of the population gives a poo poo about. It's kinda like Ditko and Creeper/Hawk and Dove.
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Teenage Fansub posted:4 Kids Walk Into A Bank #2 I'm not sure what's going on here, is it that the older guy has been arrested before?
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Patrick Spens posted:I'm not sure what's going on here, is it that the older guy has been arrested before?
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BiggerBoat posted:A lot of people didn't like Kirby, especially a lot of kids/teens in the late 70's early 80's who hated his blocky style, square eyes and who preferred hyper cool anatomy renderers like Neil Adams, John Buscema, Jim Aparo and the kings of super incredible detail like George Perez. For a while, the things that dictated taste were how REAL something looked, which is not bad in and of itself and I like it too. Take Alex Ross for example. That's still going on. I've seen people rag on Mike Allred for not being part of the Adams school.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:That's still going on. I've seen people rag on Mike Allred for not being part of the Adams school. And what's weird is the current aesthetic in comics (very cartoon, very graphic) can be traced to what I'd call the Allred school.
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Jul 13, 2016 02:21
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Hey, we all go back to Ugg placing his handprint on that cave wall, man.
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Dear Venom: Space Knight.  The least you could have done is remove the Tau empire symbol.
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Onmi posted:Dear Venom: Space Knight. Ollivetti is known for tracing video games.
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Rhyno posted:Ollivetti is known for tracing video games. Sure, but loving remove the copyrighted symbol.
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Jul 13, 2016 05:36
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Onmi posted:Sure, but loving remove the copyrighted symbol. More effort than he's capable of. He uses Quake screencaps for backgrounds and couldn't bother to remove the crosshairs.
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Rhyno posted:More effort than he's capable of. He uses Quake screencaps for backgrounds and couldn't bother to remove the crosshairs. I know I'm being naive, but I can't believe dudes who get paid for their art get away with this.
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I don't even think this one's traced. Fake Edit: Yup. That's literally just a resized poser model. The hatches/drones/turrets must be separate parts, which is why they're tiny and you can literally see the wall through the untextured inside of the model. Real Edit: If I can find it after a 2 second google search, someone deserves to get fired over it. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Onmi posted:Dear Venom: Space Knight. It's uh, a tongue-in-cheek reference, a game with the reader, like when real artists put the TARDIS or a bottle-city in the splash-page of some villain's trophy room.
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Rhyno posted:More effort than he's capable of. He uses Quake screencaps for backgrounds and couldn't bother to remove the crosshairs. I have to see this. I didn't see anything just searching his name and Quake, which comics would these be?
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Rhyno posted:More effort than he's capable of. He uses Quake screencaps for backgrounds and couldn't bother to remove the crosshairs. How is this person professionally employed 
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DarkCrawler posted:How is this person professionally employed If you can meet deadlines in the comics industry you can basically do whatever the gently caress you want.
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Mr. Squishy posted:It's uh, a tongue-in-cheek reference, a game with the reader, like when real artists put the TARDIS or a bottle-city in the splash-page of some villain's trophy room. Games Workshop are known to be very forgiving about minor copyright violations!
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Rhyno posted:More effort than he's capable of. He uses Quake screencaps for backgrounds and couldn't bother to remove the crosshairs. The moment I realized Olivetti sucked.  It pains me to see that Punisher sword gun page get posted because of all the people unwittingly praising Olivetti's art.
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There's issues of Cable where the backgrounds are literally photographs of grass or mountains or whatever. Olivetti doesn't even bother to trace over them. It looks like a Robot Chicken sketch or something.
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zoux posted:The moment I realized Olivetti sucked. That page isn't good because of its art.
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Lurdiak posted:That page isn't good because of its art. Glad we agree.
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