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Cockmaster posted:Really now, the choice here is "let machines kill people in order to attempt to figure out a way not to kill them" versus "let human drivers kill way more people because we're too chicken to trust new technology". uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Jul 5, 2016 00:47
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Powershift posted:Volvos and hyundais have very similar systems, but you don't see people making videos of them loving around with those systems set, because they're billed as driver assists, not the first step towards driver replacement. It still seems like a failure of marketing rather than a failure of technology. Well that's no surprise, you can't expect Volvo and Hyundai owners be interested enough of their cars to make videos about them. Has to be an S-class Merc at the minimum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBzMbVcOcE
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Jul 5, 2016 16:21
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atomicthumbs posted:uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Just wanted to pop in here and take a break from work to tell you that your posts are lovely and annoying. Have a good day!
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Jul 5, 2016 16:31
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Michael Scott posted:Just wanted to pop in here and take a break from work to tell you that your posts are lovely and annoying. Have a good day! Sounds like they're effective enough to reduce your productivity, though. Edit: tesla should license this guy from J. K. Rowling for commercials to talk up the benefits of autopilot 
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Jul 5, 2016 17:13
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Am visiting Molde, where Tesla has a popup store. Wanted to try the latest version, also wanted my electro-skeptic dad to try it. A seed is sown, I think it'll germinate for a couple of years but he's certainly more positive now than he was before. Very jaunty angle because I couldn't quite see my phone screen in the glare.  The facelift looked a lot better in person than on pics. We test drove a 90D with autopilot. Having nay sayed it for a few posts now, I have to say it steered very smoothly and I would be happy to use it, as I did, on roads without hard barriers between the directions (what do you call these?) so long as the markings and visibility were good and the roads weren't too twisty - because I would of course pay proper attention.  The frunk is even smaller now due to the HEPA filter taking up space in addition to the front motor. You really lose a huge amount of space compared to the 2WD (click to see), so that is certainly something to consider if you need loads of space. I wonder what a brand new 2WD with HEPA filter looks like. (fake edit, no more big frunks apparently https://speakev.com/threads/facelift-bringing-small-frunk-to-non-d-model-s.17540/) Tire noise seems to be down compared to the P85D I tried, people say the facelift models are a lot more quiet than the 1st gen cars, partly due to less sound deadening material, partly due to a smaller resonance chamber in the front. Very nice magic carpet sensation. The HEPA filter is a bit silly, but one particular scenario it would be good for is a tunnel fire, of which there has been a few in Norway the past couple of years. Engage biohazard mode, use side sensors to keep driving straight. All in all, my Elon-boner remains strong and true.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:54
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atomicthumbs posted:how exactly are you comparing "new kinds of vehicle" with "vehicle that drives itself under trucks" I'm comparing bad driving AI to dangerous implementation (manual starter cranks that could break your arm) and lack of education for using new tech (cars having to share the road with everyone else). There were lots of shortcomings and oversights that got people killed. There's always some risk to adopting new technology.
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Jul 5, 2016 21:05
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Ola posted:We test drove a 90D with autopilot. Having nay sayed it for a few posts now, I have to say it steered very smoothly and I would be happy to use it, as I did, on roads without hard barriers between the directions (what do you call these?) so long as the markings and visibility were good and the roads weren't too twisty - because I would of course pay proper attention. I am very glad you escaped unharmed
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Jul 5, 2016 22:30
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Looks like another AP Tesla crashed (trimmed it down a bit for brevity)quote:A Southfield art gallery owner told police his 2016 Tesla Model X was in Autopilot mode when it crashed and rolled over on the Pennsylvania Turnpike last week. The crash came just one day after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued a report on a fatal crash in May involving a Tesla that was in self-driving mode. http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/07/05/southfield-art-gallery-owner-survives-tesla-crash/86712884/
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Jul 5, 2016 22:36
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That's an impressive amount of poo poo for the Model X to hit for the driver and passenger to escape alive and apparently well.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:40
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An X is higher than an S, but getting one to flip is still impressive. Ready for the rest of the story to hit.
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ilkhan posted:An X is higher than an S, but getting one to flip is still impressive. Ready for the rest of the story to hit. Please, I know a guy who rolled a HMMWV at "35" mph.
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Jul 6, 2016 03:32
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If nothing else, that's grounds to push through on the divorce: http://electrek.co/2016/04/20/elon-musks-wife-talulah-riley-tesla-autopilot-video/
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Jul 6, 2016 19:21
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You know even auto pilot on planes still requires a pilot to be at the stick. It is meant to supplement driving not replace it. For that you need a chauffeur. Plebes.
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Jul 6, 2016 19:29
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Has the Model S Pikes Peak run been posted here yet? It's decently quick but has to be the most boring video of its kind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5t4DNvbNqs
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Jul 6, 2016 19:37
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Elephanthead posted:You know even auto pilot on planes still requires a pilot to be at the stick. It is meant to supplement driving not replace it. For that you need a chauffeur. Plebes.  The term is absolutely being used correctly, but it's being understood very poorly by the general public.
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Jul 6, 2016 20:26
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Does Tesla Autopilot do stuff beyond fancy lane assist? Like does it actually try to navigate surface streets and stuff? Like it really seems like it's only safe/worthwhile to use cruising in the fast/HOV lane, especially during rush hour, but does it attempt to do more than that?
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Jul 6, 2016 20:33
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mobby_6kl posted:Has the Model S Pikes Peak run been posted here yet? It's decently quick but has to be the most boring video of its kind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5t4DNvbNqs If you want more Pikes Peak EV action I have a few posts from this year's hill climb: Feature on Monster Tajima's race: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/06/racing-with-royalty-behind-the-scenes-with-pikes-peaks-king-of-the-mountain/ EVs on race day: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/06/electric-vehicles-at-the-pikes-peak-international-hill-climb-race-report/ Electric bikes on race day: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/06/even-more-dangerous-on-two-wheels-pikes-peak-and-the-motorbikes/
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Jul 6, 2016 20:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3gJ95f-8es I think this is the video of the fastest EV run this year.
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Jul 6, 2016 21:18
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Boten Anna posted:Does Tesla Autopilot do stuff beyond fancy lane assist? Like does it actually try to navigate surface streets and stuff?
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Jul 6, 2016 21:57
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Autopilot is beyond useful for the HOV lane and general stop and go traffic on the freeway/tollway. The 8.0 update is promised to add capabilities allowing the car to exit the highway as well. Not super advanced just yet.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:13
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The Sicilian posted:Autopilot is beyond useful for the HOV lane and general stop and go traffic on the freeway/tollway. The 8.0 update is promised to add capabilities allowing the car to exit the highway as well. One could argue it's already quite capable of leaving the highway.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:14
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Ola posted:Having nay sayed it for a few posts now, I have to say it steered very smoothly and I would be happy to use it, as I did, on roads without hard barriers between the directions (what do you call these?) so long as the markings and visibility were good and the roads weren't too twisty - because I would of course pay proper attention. “Single carriageways” (British English) or “undivided highways” (American English). In my view, that’s the perfect place for autopilot. There’s always the possibility that an oncoming driver will pull onto my side of the road with no warning. Now, my reaction time is good, but it can’t beat a computer’s. I’ll drive like I normally would, but in most situations, by the time my foot has started moving, autopilot‐actuated breaking will be well underway. For the rare white truck crossing the roadway, reaction time will degrade to my own.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:14
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Depending on the situation, because of your ability to visually scan father off the road than sensors, and make inferences based on experience, your reaction time is potentially much faster than any autopilot.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:46
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Auto pilot was NOT on in the PA rollover incident. http://jalopnik.com/musk-autopilot-was-off-in-pa-tesla-model-x-crash-acco-1783695454 I wondered how long it would take someone to scapegoat the car when they were just being dumb.
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Jul 15, 2016 02:01
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bull3964 posted:Auto pilot was NOT on in the PA rollover incident. The statement from Tesla is pretty damning: quote:We got access to the logs. Data from the vehicle shows that Autosteer was not engaged at the time of this collision. Prior to the collision, Autosteer was in use periodically throughout the approximately 50-minute trip. The most recent such use ended when, approximately 40 seconds prior to the collision, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the wheel and began a rapidly escalating set of visual and audible alerts to ensure the driver took proper control. When the driver failed to respond to 15 seconds of visual warnings and audible tones, Autosteer began a graceful abort procedure in which the music is muted, the vehicle begins to slow and the driver is instructed both visually and audibly to place their hands on the wheel. Approximately 11 seconds prior to the collision, the driver responded and regained control by holding the steering wheel, applying leftward torque to turn it, and pressing the accelerator pedal to 42%. Over 10 seconds and approximately 300m later and while under manual steering control, the driver drifted out of the lane, collided with a barrier, overcorrected, crossed both lanes of the highway, struck a median barrier, and rolled the vehicle.
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Jul 15, 2016 03:55
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Sounds like the driver fell asleep, the "hey idiot, wake up" alerts basically worked as well as my alarm clock and he effectively hit the "Snooze" button and went back to sleep, only having officially taken over control as far as the car's concerned. At that point it was like any other vehicle with a sleeping driver.
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Jul 15, 2016 04:27
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Yeah, maybe the autopilot should make sure when the driver takes over, they're not doing something dangerous/stupid.
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Jul 15, 2016 05:17
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duz posted:Yeah, maybe the autopilot should make sure when the driver takes over, they're not doing something dangerous/stupid. Autopilot can't assume anything when you take manual control. The drift out of lane may have been the driver reacting to an obstacle in the road as far as autopilot knows. Or it may have been construction with no lane markers. There's any number of situations where a driver's reactions after taken taking manual control may seem like a mistake to autopilot, but they are necessary control inputs. It can't tell the difference between an evasive maneuver and just falling asleep.
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Jul 15, 2016 07:35
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bull3964 posted:Autopilot can't assume anything when you take manual control. The drift out of lane may have been the driver reacting to an obstacle in the road as far as autopilot knows. Or it may have been construction with no lane markers. There's any number of situations where a driver's reactions after taken taking manual control may seem like a mistake to autopilot, but they are necessary control inputs. It can't tell the difference between an evasive maneuver and just falling asleep. No, but it can say “golly gee my driver looks to be asleep let’s come to a gradual stop on the shoulder”.
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Jul 15, 2016 08:11
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Platystemon posted:No, but it can say “golly gee my driver looks to be asleep let’s come to a gradual stop on the shoulder”. I dunno the driver could also try not falling asleep in his car either.
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Jul 15, 2016 08:16
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Maybe cars with sleep mode shouldn't be allowed on the roads
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Jul 15, 2016 10:55
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duz posted:Yeah, maybe the autopilot should make sure when the driver takes over, they're not doing something dangerous/stupid. Good luck coding that. Platystemon posted:No, but it can say “golly gee my driver looks to be asleep let’s come to a gradual stop on the shoulder”. This is pretty much what "graceful abort" does. It blinks and chimes, flashes the hazard lights and comes to a gradual stop.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:05
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Platystemon posted:No, but it can say “golly gee my driver looks to be asleep let’s come to a gradual stop on the shoulder”. It started that process, but the driver took back control. Once the driver takes back control, it's a really bad idea to override him with autosteer.
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bull3964 posted:
GUYS GUYS I know just code something that assesses if the driver's decisions are sound and then make other decisions if they are not.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:27
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duz posted:Yeah, maybe the autopilot should make sure when the driver takes over, they're not doing something dangerous/stupid. Yeah because what you want is to fight the goddamned computer any time it doesn't know what you're trying to do. Or, you could try not to fall asleep while driving and kill yourself.
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Jul 15, 2016 16:17
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maybe make it so that it gives the driver less than three minutes to fall asleep before telling them they need to touch the steering wheel
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Jul 15, 2016 19:33
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nah having to pay attention to your car more than once every three minutes is an unneccessary inconvenience, blame here lies 100% on the driver
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Jul 15, 2016 19:34
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atomicthumbs posted:maybe make it so that it gives the driver less than three minutes to fall asleep before telling them they need to touch the steering wheel Three minutes to fall asleep? It's not like he got read a story and tucked in. Falling asleep happens in a literal blink of an eye and that's why so many people crash their cars while falling asleep, even if the cars don't have autopilot. That said, there are systems in other cars that are supposed to detect a driver falling asleep, no idea how well they work.
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