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punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Out of curiosity, what do the people of Burkina Faso think of Thomas Sankara?

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Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

I imagine he's seen a bit like Americans see Washington, or the French see De Gaulle.

# ? Jul 6, 2016 11:09

Baron Porkface: Jan 22, 2007

He came to power in a palace coup decades after independence, reigned 4 years, and was killed in another palace coup. Just like Washington!

# ? Jul 6, 2016 12:10

Original_Z: Jun 14, 2005; Z so good

snergle posted:

do people just vote for the anc because they were the party most associated with ending apartheid? or are they more of the peoples action party of south africa?

If its the former I would hope people can realize the party is no longer as it once was and move onto other parties. Imagine if 75% of the us voted republican because they stoped slavery.

The majority of it is still blind loyalty although people are starting to get sick of the constant lies and corruption, although many are looking towards the EFF instead which is rather problematic. The ANC also spreads a lot of misinformation and propaganda and implies that the DA will reinstate apartheid and you can't trust them.

Still, with seeing Pretoria being burned recently, we've seen that it's not just party affiliation but also ethnicity that needs to be considered.

# ? Jul 6, 2016 13:16

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Protests and strikes in Zimbabwe over the lovely economy and civil servants not being paid. Wonder if anything will come from this (no)

# ? Jul 6, 2016 18:24

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

I mean, Thomas Sankara is always said to be the "good" Communist who helped his people and actually made the country a better place through socialism. I wonder how accurate that is.

Original_Z posted:

The majority of it is still blind loyalty although people are starting to get sick of the constant lies and corruption, although many are looking towards the EFF instead which is rather problematic. The ANC also spreads a lot of misinformation and propaganda and implies that the DA will reinstate apartheid and you can't trust them.

Still, with seeing Pretoria being burned recently, we've seen that it's not just party affiliation but also ethnicity that needs to be considered.

I was originally excited to hear that a Socialist party was growing in South Africa. Then I got brief glimpse of them and their leader and the guy REEKED of Chavismo. How correct am I?

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 6, 2016

# ? Jul 6, 2016 19:20

Madkal: Feb 11, 2008; Fallen Rib

punk rebel ecks posted:

I mean, Thomas Sankara is always said to be the "good" Communist who helped his people and actually made the country a better place through socialism. I wonder how accurate that is.

I was originally excited to hear that a Socialist party was growing in South Africa. Then I got brief glimpse of them and their leader and the guy REEKED of Chavismo. How correct am I?

Malema is pretty much an opportunistic shithead, who cares about poverty as much as how many votes it will get him. He will say anything to seem like the person who will take people away from the shittiness that the ANC have created, but will most likely just keep the gravy trains rolling.
As for support of ANC, there is still a lot of blind following going on, but what is interesting is that you are getting a generation who never grew up under Apartheid but instead under ANC rule asking "what have you done for me?" You can see it with student protests and with the way people are getting fed up with the ANC and threatening to put their votes elsewhere unless the ANC stops acting like royal arseholes. Unfortunately it's these same voters the EFF targets.

# ? Jul 6, 2016 23:38

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

Since this thread is back, I'm curious about a topic that got briefly discussed in chat thread: what's going on right now with Sudan and South Sudan?

Jagchosis posted:

Oddly enough LRA is in Sudan occupied south Sudan making money poaching elephants

kustomkarkommando posted:

There's a civil war currently in "restive peace" phase. Over 100,000 killed in 2 years.

I can link you some nice reports of government troops deliberately running over civilians with tanks and forcing people to eat the cooked flesh of dead bodies

A quick "how the gently caress did we get to this point" would be very helpful, I know basically nothing about Sudan/South Sudan other than the split that happened in 2011 and that there's been fighting basically ever since.

# ? Jul 6, 2016 23:53

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

fade5 posted:

A quick "how the gently caress did we get to this point" would be very helpful, I know basically nothing about Sudan/South Sudan other than the split that happened in 2011 and that there's been fighting basically ever since.

I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread.

The negotiated peace has roughly held but pretty much everyone thinks it's going to collapse, it took months to negotiate the return of the leader of the SLPA-IO to the capital and political progress is pretty much no-existant - Kiir flouted the terms of the peace deal by completely redrawing the map of states which threw the entire local level power sharing scheme that was carefully and slowly negotiated out of the window. Here's a recent statement from the International Crisis Group with more detail for the moment:

International Crisis Group posted:

The agreement successfully enabled the return of Riek Machar, leader of the Sudan People�s Liberation Army-In Opposition (SPLA-IO), to Juba and the subsequent formation of the Transitional Government of National Unity in April. However, the formerly warring parties are now flouting it and increasingly preparing for widespread conflict. Implementation is stalled and fighting is already proliferating around the country. Unless something is done, it is a matter of only a little time before there is a return to war, and the agreement collapses.

For the moment, the permanent ceasefire, though increasingly strained, continues to hold in the civil war�s major conflict theatre. From the perspective of many in Salva Kiir�s wartime government, it applies only to the Greater Upper Nile region, therefore the proliferation of conflicts in Greater Equatoria and Bahr el Ghazal, such as the recent deadly clashes in Wau, does not affect their commitment to the peace agreement. However, the increasing number of discrete conflicts in other regions could trigger renewed fighting in Greater Upper Nile or Juba and lead to a far more explosive return to a broad civil conflict.

While the SPLA-IO in Greater Upper Nile is not as strong as it was in early 2014, when many army divisions split and soldiers defected to the rebels, its presence in Juba and recruitment of forces and allies in Greater Equatoria place the capital under a renewed threat, particularly its civilians, who are at risk of ethnically-targeted violence.

In the nine months that the ceasefire has been observed, forces have simply paused hostilities while remaining in close proximity: there has been no joint security oversight or move toward unification or demobilisation. This would be an untenable status quo even if there were political progress, which there is not.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 00:27

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

kustomkarkommando posted:

I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread.

The negotiated peace has roughly held but pretty much everyone thinks it's going to collapse, it took months to negotiate the return of the leader of the SLPA-IO to the capital and political progress is pretty much no-existant - Kiir flouted the terms of the peace deal by completely redrawing the map of states which threw the entire local level power sharing scheme that was carefully and slowly negotiated out of the window. Here's a recent statement from the International Crisis Group with more detail for the moment:

Ah, there we go, thanks. I thought I remembered that post, didn't remember where it was specifically.

# ? Jul 7, 2016 00:48

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

kustomkarkommando posted:

I did a write up on the basic background to the current spate of fighting on page one of this thread.

The negotiated peace has roughly held but pretty much everyone thinks it's going to collapse, it took months to negotiate the return of the leader of the SLPA-IO to the capital and political progress is pretty much no-existant - Kiir flouted the terms of the peace deal by completely redrawing the map of states which threw the entire local level power sharing scheme that was carefully and slowly negotiated out of the window. Here's a recent statement from the International Crisis Group with more detail for the moment:

My favorite of these new states is the Lol, South Sudan

Anyway Vice did as Vice do and made a couple short form documentaries on it if you want to watch those

http://www.vice.com/video/saving-south-sudan-full-length

https://news.vice.com/video/ambushed-in-south-sudan-full-length

As for my chat thread comment about LRA operating in South Sudan, they're trading ivory with the (north) Sudanese government in an area it controls called Kafia Kingi in Lol, according to defectors. IIRC Sudan has a history of working with the LRA

# ? Jul 7, 2016 15:32

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

So poo poo has once again thoroughly hit the fan in Juba.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36758013

On Friday there was a lot of heavy fighting where 150 people were killed, and Machar and Kiir put forth a public effort to tamp things down. Now Machar is saying that Kiir has no interest in peace. It doesn't seem like there's a way back from the precipice this time.

# ? Jul 10, 2016 15:28

Arkane: Dec 19, 2006; by R. Guyovich

Big hit for ANC in the municipal elections in South Africa. Looks like they may lose control of most of the major metropolitan areas, depending on how the coalitions play out.

They were hit from both the right (DA) and the left (EFF).

# ? Aug 7, 2016 00:01

Toph Bei Fong: Feb 29, 2008

Can anyone recommend a good history of South Africa?

I read R.W. Johnson's South Africa's Brave New World: The Beloved Country Since the End of Apartheid, and, while it was quite interesting and illuminating, the author's opinions dripped off each and every page (he loving hates the ANC, Mbeki, and Zuma, not that he doesn't have well cited reasons).

Anything that went a little further back than 1994 would be especially good. History books, memoirs, websites, whatever.

Same with Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. After finishing Don't Lets Go to the Dogs Tonight, I'm in the mood for African history.

# ? Aug 7, 2016 01:01

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

For Post-Rhodesia Zimbabwe I would recommend The Struggle Continues: 50 Years of Tyranny in Zimbabwe by David Coltart, seeing as I have just bought it myself.

# ? Aug 7, 2016 15:20

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Martin Meredith's Diamonds, Gold and War is a snappy pop read and covers from the Kimberley Diamond Rush to Union, Bill Nasson's The War for South Africa/The Boer War is specifically good for the second boer war

For later stuff I would recommend Saul Dubow's Apartheid: 1948-1994 and especially Stephen Ellis' External Mission which covers the ANC in exile and contains a hell of a lot of original research

# ? Aug 7, 2016 15:43

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread.

# ? Aug 8, 2016 06:45

SyHopeful: Jun 24, 2007; May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

Under The Skin by David Caute is a really fascinating read about the goings-on in Rhodesia from UDI to '80. I've read it twice.

# ? Aug 8, 2016 14:40

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Grouchio posted:

I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread.

almost no one posts in this thread as is grouchio

# ? Aug 8, 2016 19:24

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
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Hey, here's a really terrible (content-wise) article

Rampaging South Sudan Troops Raped Foreigners, Killed Local posted:

...

On July 11, South Sudanese troops, fresh from winning a battle in the capital, Juba, over opposition forces, went on a nearly four-hour rampage through a residential compound popular with foreigners, in one of the worst targeted attacks on aid workers in South Sudan's three-year civil war. They shot dead a local journalist while forcing the foreigners to watch, raped several foreign women, singled out Americans, beat and robbed people and carried out mock executions, several witnesses told The Associated Press.

For hours throughout the assault, the U.N. peacekeeping force stationed less than a mile away refused to respond to desperate calls for help. Neither did embassies, including the U.S. Embassy.

Won't quote any more here, it's all horrible, but seriously what the flying gently caress.

Oh what the heck

quote:

From the start of the attack, those inside the Terrain compound sent messages pleading for help by text and Facebook messages and emails.

"All of us were contacting whoever we could contact. The U.N., the U.S. embassy, contacting the specific battalions in the U.N., contacting specific departments," said the woman raped by 15 men.

A member of the U.N.'s Joint Operations Center in Juba first received word of the attack at 3:37 p.m., minutes after the breach of the compound, according to an internal timeline compiled by a member of the operations center and seen by AP.

Eight minutes later another message was sent to a different member of the operations center from a person inside Terrain saying that people were hiding there. At 4:22 p.m., that member received another message urging help.

Five minutes after that, the U.N. mission's Department of Safety and Security and its military command wing were alerted. At 4:33 p.m., a Quick Reaction Force, meant to intervene in emergencies, was informed. One minute later, the timeline notes the last contact on Monday from someone trapped inside Terrain.

For the next hour and a half the timeline is blank. At 6:52, shortly before sunset, the timeline states that "DSS would not send a team."

About 20 minutes later, a Quick Reaction Force of Ethiopians from the multinational U.N. mission was tasked to intervene, coordinating with South Sudan's army chief of staff, Paul Malong, who was also sending soldiers. But the Ethiopian battalion stood down, according to the timeline. Malong's troops eventually abandoned their intervention too because it took too long for the Quick Reaction Force to act.

The American who was released early in the assault and made it to the U.N. base said he also alerted U.N. staff. At around dusk, a U.N. worker he knew requested three different battalions to send a Quick Reaction Force.

"Everyone refused to go. Ethiopia, China, and Nepal. All refused to go," he said.

Eventually, South Sudanese security forces entered the Terrain and rescued all but three Western women and around 16 Terrain staff.

No one else was sent that night to find them. The U.N. timeline said a patrol would go in the morning, but this "was cancelled due to priority." A private security firm rescued the three Western women the staffers the next morning.

When asked why the U.N. peacekeeping mission didn't respond to the repeated requests for help, acting spokeswoman Yasmina Bouziane said the circumstances are under investigation.

"The peacekeepers did not venture out of the bases to protect civilians under imminent threat," Human Rights Watch said Monday in a report on abuses throughout Juba.

The U.S. Embassy, which also received requests for help during the attack, did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

WHAT THE FLYING gently caress.

# ? Aug 15, 2016 15:33

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

I don't know why I read these threads

# ? Aug 15, 2016 16:15

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

When all of those parties are refusing to intervene or comment, there's probably a reason for it that the article isn't sharing.

I expect Trump to bring this up in a couple weeks when it finally reaches him, though.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Aug 19, 2016

# ? Aug 19, 2016 17:47

Senor P.: Mar 27, 2006; I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

Mozi posted:

Hey, here's a really terrible (content-wise) article

Won't quote any more here, it's all horrible, but seriously what the flying gently caress.

Oh what the heck

WHAT THE FLYING gently caress.

Really? Has there been any recent war in Africa where rape has not been an issue? Am I supposed to feel less indifferent that 'Western women' were raped?

You work in a conflict zone in Africa, getting killed or raped or tortured is a real risk.

The local embassy or the UN is not going to get involved because that opens an even bigger can of worms.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:58

Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

I too lack basic human empathy.

# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:07

Senor P.: Mar 27, 2006; I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

Xerxes17 posted:

I too lack basic human empathy.

Shouldn't I feel more empathy for the local civilian population (black) for being murdered and raped than the flown in expats (white)?

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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:34

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Call me crazy but I think gang rape is pretty bad regardless of the race of the victims. Why is protecting aid workers not a job for the UN peacekeeping forces? Ban Ki Moon does not share your opinion, thank God.

quote:

A spokesman for the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon said: "The Secretary-General is alarmed by the preliminary findings of a fact finding investigation by the United Nations Mission in South Sudan (UNMISS) into the attack on Hotel Terrain in Juba on 11 July, in which one person was killed and several civilians were raped and brutally beaten by men in uniform.

"The Secretary-General is also concerned about allegations that UNMISS did not respond appropriately to prevent this and other grave cases of sexual violence committed in Juba.

"Due to the gravity of these incidents, related allegations and the preliminary findings by UNMISS, the Secretary-General has decided to launch an independent special investigation to determine the circumstances surrounding these incidents and to evaluate the Mission�s overall response."

# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:57

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

King Mswati is chairing the SADC now. Probably inevitable and unimportant but still kinda sad to see. He's got to be the most secure dictator in Africa, just because of how tight his grip is on the state and justice system.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:32

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

There's also a slightly surreal Asian immigrant scare, I can't say I know enough to make judgements though.

http://www.observer.org.sz/news/81700-angry-mps-ban-entry-of-asians-into-the-country.html

quote:

A livid Lobamba Lomdzala MP Marwick Khumalo instructed Home Affairs Minister Princess Tsandzile to ensure that no Asian entered the country.
...

The motion was supported by Lobamba MP Michael Masilela who decried that the economy of the country was no longer in the hands of its citizens.�

He made an example of small towns like Buhleni, Pigg’s Peak and Siteki as having already been taken over by the Asians. MP Masilela said even rural communities had now been invaded by these nationals.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:40

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

What does Asian mean in this context? Indian subcontinent or East Asia?

I didn't know people immigrated to Swaziland

# ? Aug 21, 2016 10:47

curried lamb of God: Aug 31, 2001; we are all Marwinners

here's your cheery Congo update

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/scores-hacked-death-machete-attack-dr-congo-160814133550565.html

quote:

At least 64 people have been killed in northeastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in an attack carried out by suspected rebels.

Nyonyi Bwanakawa, the mayor of Beni in North Kivu, told Al Jazeera the attack on Saturday night happened in the town's Rwangoma district.

DRC troops and local officials recovered 64 bodies, but the number could rise as the search was still going on, Bwanakawa said on Sunday.

Other officials said the death toll was closer to 75.

DRC army spokesman Mak Hazukay also confirmed to the AFP news agency that bodies have been recovered in Rwangoma.

Reports said that the victims were "hacked to death".

Reagen Kyaviro, a survivor, told Al Jazeera that the attackers had turned up outside of his house.

"The guy in front turned his weapon on me. When I tried to run away from the house, he hit me on the neck with the side of his gun. He took me by my shirt. I was forced to run. By chance, they did not follow me."

The DRC troops blamed the attack on the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF), a Ugandan rebel group known to operate bases inside neighbouring DRC.

Hazukay said that the rebels had "bypassed" army positions "to come and massacre the population in revenge" for military operations in the area.

Local residents also told Al Jazeera that they had spotted ADF rebels coming out of the forest on Saturday. There was some confusion, however, as some residents said that some of the men were wearing "army uniforms".

The attack happened barely a week after 14 people were killed in another incident near Beni.

ADF troops were also suspected of carrying out that attack, but there was no independent confirmation.

In the past, independent observers have blamed both the ADF rebels and DRC forces for deadly attacks.

On August 4, DRC President Joseph Kabila and Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni held talks in Uganda seeking a coordinated military strategy against the ADF rebels.

ADF rebels, who oppose Museveni, have been present in eastern DRC for more than 20 years.

The group has been accused of human rights abuses and is thought to be deeply embroiled in criminal networks funded by kidnappings, smuggling and logging.

The Beni area in particular has seen numerous massacres since October 2014 that have left in total more than 600 civilians dead.

There have been protests all week in the Kivus, of course tinged with anti-Kabila sentiment. In Goma, the protesters reportedly shot a police officer with his own weapon, but the violence hasn't spiraled out of control.

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distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

What does Asian mean in this context? Indian subcontinent or East Asia?

I didn't know people immigrated to Swaziland

Indian, mainly shopkeepers I suspect despite claims that they are being brought in as slave labour. Some of the articles about them are quite racist.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 11:06

Slaan: Mar 16, 2009; ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

pointsofdata posted:

Indian, mainly shopkeepers I suspect despite claims that they are being brought in as slave labour. Some of the articles about them are quite racist.

Maybe also Chinese workers. When China does aid projects/build infrastructure for their companies in Africa, they routinely bring in nothing but Chinese workers to build it. They don't hire any local labor or companies, which pisses the locals off.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 14:38

punk rebel ecks: Dec 11, 2010; A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

So no information about how Africans see Thomas Sankara's rule on Burkina Faso?

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Aug 21, 2016

# ? Aug 21, 2016 14:58

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

My brother is currently over there, supervising some big infrastructure project, I could try asking him but I don't think he has a lot of free time to chat up with people.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 15:07

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Slaan posted:

Maybe also Chinese workers. When China does aid projects/build infrastructure for their companies in Africa, they routinely bring in nothing but Chinese workers to build it. They don't hire any local labor or companies, which pisses the locals off.

http://www.observer.org.sz/features/82094-sd-can%E2%80%99t-stand-changing-those-stinking-nappies-of-her-asian-baby.html

Almost all the references in articles such as this are to Indian subcontinent ethnicities, except for a solitary reference to flying to guangdong, e.g.

quote:

We have also not forgotten how ’businessmen’ such as Umbutfo Baghdad who sold second hand clothing and tuscany blankets (imigacambongolo) at the car park of Betta Parts in Manzini managed to get his Swazi papers through politicians, thus opening floodgates for the import of Asians from as far afield as Bangladesh, including slumdogs.�

quote:

But as you know all Indians they hardly intermarry let alone a businessman of Jaffer stature giving his daughter to Amin the Ugandan.�

The only known sexual exchanges among Africans and Indians are one way-the Indian men to the African or Swazi girls and not the Swazi men to the Indian girls.�

Additionally, Swaziland has ties to Taiwan rather than mainland China, and has little to interest China. Most(?) of its development aid that isn't from the west is from south Africa via some sort of apartheid era framework, which I can't seem to find much evidence of online

As a side note, it really is amazing how universal the language of racism is. It's exactly the same "concerns" as we see in the west, just less well hidden.

distortion park fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 21, 2016

# ? Aug 21, 2016 15:15

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

In Nigeria I experienced a strongly anti-Chinese sentiment specifically, people were totally cool with Indians. Turns out Chinese companies had a habit of half-finishing their projects, and I had a half-dozen railroads pointed out to me that were technically under construction but were already overgrown.

One train was recently completed though, and seems to be a successful project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9HPgXoscY

A colleague told me the tickets are like two bucks? Seems fantastic.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 15:42

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Aliquid posted:

In Nigeria I experienced a strongly anti-Chinese sentiment specifically, people were totally cool with Indians. Turns out Chinese companies had a habit of half-finishing their projects, and I had a half-dozen railroads pointed out to me that were technically under construction but were already overgrown.

One train was recently completed though, and seems to be a successful project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9HPgXoscY

A colleague told me the tickets are like two bucks?* Seems fantastic.

*A quarter of average Nigerian's daily income

Anyway yeah, there seems to be quite a bit of animosity between African and Chinese workers, in particular, thanks to China's attempts at imperialism. Check this out for some example of casual racism thrown around here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

# ? Aug 21, 2016 16:43

Lead out in cuffs: Sep 18, 2012; "That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."

Grouchio posted:

I feel like we need a separate Nigerian, South African and Zimbabwe thread here. We should also see if any natives from those countries post on these forums so we can have as much endemic information as in the Venezuela Thread.

There's a (somewhat dormant and possibly archived) South African thread, if you're interested. I might be persuaded to update the OP. There've been some pretty interesting developments over the past year.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 20:33

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Lead out in cuffs posted:

There's a (somewhat dormant and possibly archived) South African thread, if you're interested. I might be persuaded to update the OP. There've been some pretty interesting developments over the past year.

I would like to know if there are any articles/books regarding the average life of an upper middle class man in South Africa, like with David Coltart in Zimbabwe.

# ? Aug 21, 2016 20:57

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# ? May 24, 2024 07:06

Lead out in cuffs: Sep 18, 2012; "That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."

Grouchio posted:

I would like to know if there are any articles/books regarding the average life of an upper middle class man in South Africa, like with David Coltart in Zimbabwe.

Have you tried the Life&Style section of the Sunday Times and/or various men's magazines?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/
http://www.mh.co.za/
http://www.samen.co.za/
http://gq.co.za/

Also, why?

E: I'm kinda assuming that by naming David Coltart you're interested in how rich white people live as a privileged minority in a majority-black country, which those links should give some flavour of. I'm just curious as to why you care.

Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 21, 2016

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