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Excelsiortothemax posted:Well what lovely lists are you playing so we can help your crap rear end out and make you a better player to stop your kvetching? I'm sorry you have me confused with netlisting scum. Mostly I play what I like which is doomies, elims and a few jacks. I think my lists are fine, not tournament grade but they're what I enjoy playing, it's just my caster placement is really dumb now compared to how I could get away with it in Mk2. Seems like it's always assassination now.
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fnordcircle posted:I'm sorry you have me confused with netlisting scum. Do you have a regular Rahn player in your meta? Because caster placement was super important in MK2 as well.
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Jul 7, 2016 00:47
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GEMorris posted:Do you have a regular Rahn player in your meta? Because caster placement was super important in MK2 as well. Not until recently, and he's too afraid to play Rahn cause he's worried about being 'mean.' I played tons of games in Mk2, 3-5 a week for a year without exaggeration, and a game a week the last year and a half. Doesn't make me good but makes me able to see that my caster placement habits in Mk2 won't cut it in Mk3.
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Jul 7, 2016 01:02
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A lot of lists I'm making have 1 shield guard per turn and often two. Sometimes I think I'd be okay with a third.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:03
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S.J. posted:A lot of lists I'm making have 1 shield guard per turn and often two. Sometimes I think I'd be okay with a third. Yup. And then I think I need more heavy hitters, so I delete a shield guard or two. And then I realize I need more shield guards, so i add them back. And then 2 hours later I still have no list.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:06
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Any list i have with Imperatus is going to start including an aspis because I see Alton Ashley way too often and grevious wounds is way OP in mk3. My area does ADR for most tournaments, so I will probably use ADR and have an aspis in my specialists for when I see Ashley in the opponent lists.
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waah posted:Yup. And then I think I need more heavy hitters, so I delete a shield guard or two. Yep 
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Jul 7, 2016 02:08
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Rager and Ogrun Bokur are going to start making more and more appearances in my lists. Either that or more treble Kodiakage. I'm not complaining, gang, I'm just chit chatting about my experiences so far and how Mk3 is punishing me for not adapting.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:16
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Yah guns are gonna be really good with premeasuring in general so SG is more valuable by default.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:19
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Also that goddamn ignores LoS jack w/ Ossyan. If I could snap my fingers and remove anything from the game it'd be ignoring LoS without some sort of roll. We hates it.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:52
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fnordcircle posted:Not until recently, and he's too afraid to play Rahn cause he's worried about being 'mean. slap him and tell him to stop bein a bitch
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Jul 7, 2016 03:10
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mr. stefan posted:slap him and tell him to stop bein a bitch Ha! I was going to say something like just tell him to start putting him in the rotation or it's not mean if you give your opponent the option to veto it or something but this works too. I don't get in a lot of games so I'm not shy about telling my opponent I don't want to play against that, what else do you got?
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Jul 7, 2016 03:23
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I keep doing the Shield Guard yo-yo with Sentinels when making my Cygnar lists. It's so hard to squeeze them in when every other light jack is so much better on an average turn. It's about the only Cygnar Jack that got nerfed in the Mk2 to Mk3 transition too. Still, you don't regret taking them when they save your caster I guess.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:27
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S.J. posted:Yah guns are gonna be really good with premeasuring in general so SG is more valuable by default. I still feel vaguely like I'm cheating with premeasuring but it feels so good to be able to do.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:57
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Oh gently caress if only I had an awesome reach chain weapon arm 21 warjack with beat back and shield guard in my faction Oh wait I do and it's 15 points 
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Jul 7, 2016 03:58
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fnordcircle posted:Not until recently, and he's too afraid to play Rahn cause he's worried about being 'mean.' Nothing teaches your opponents about how to protect against non-linear assassination threats like playing a semi-descent Rahn. He's doing your meta a disservice by not putting him on the table.
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Friendly Fire posted:I keep doing the Shield Guard yo-yo with Sentinels when making my Cygnar lists. It's so hard to squeeze them in when every other light jack is so much better on an average turn. It's about the only Cygnar Jack that got nerfed in the Mk2 to Mk3 transition too. If you have Trenchers in your list consider the Trench Buster. He is a P&S 14 hole busting solo that rolls 4d6 on damage with flank. Tough as nails and less than a sentinel.
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rydiafan posted:Helga the Conquerer - WB: +29 I think this list is very cool! However, have you considered using some swamp gobber river raiders? They can hook into heavies when you feat and slam them any which way you like. Mostly limited to heavies because of rat 5, but still cool. I might try something similar, I'm not sure about the slaugherhousers, feel like it might be to hard to keep them alive.
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GEMorris posted:Nothing teaches your opponents about how to protect against non-linear assassination threats like playing a semi-descent Rahn. He's doing your meta a disservice by not putting him on the table. He's incredibly shy so his meta is 2 people including me and the other person only once every few months. I'm just a very welcoming, easy to get along with sort, I guess. I'm consistently encouraging him to put Rahn on the table but I think he doesn't want to see my inevitable temper tantrum. (not reallY0
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fnordcircle posted:He's incredibly shy so his meta is 2 people including me and the other person only once every few months. I'm just a very welcoming, easy to get along with sort, I guess. I'm consistently encouraging him to put Rahn on the table but I think he doesn't want to see my inevitable temper tantrum. (not reallY0 Then make him a Rahn list and tell him you want to play against it to get better at the game. Only do this if you'll have fun too.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:23
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I'm the most well-adjusted motherfucker you've ever met, I can manage my own friendships! edit: YOUF UCKING DICK
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Jul 7, 2016 05:28
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fnordcircle posted:I'm the most well-adjusted motherfucker you've ever met, I can manage my own friendships! Here, for an extra dick-punch, run a bunch of guns into it: War Room Army Retribution of Scyrah - Rahn Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army Adeptis Rahn - WJ: +26 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Discordia - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Chimera - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen - PC: 8 House Shyeel Artificer - PC: 5 House Shyeel Artificer - PC: 5 House Shyeel Battle Mages - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18 - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9
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Seriously, just Play Good Things I played Mk2 from the day it came out and didn't pick up Haley 2 for 3 loving years, it was like god drat night and day Not that Ret is exactly hurting for good casters, they could pretty much drop whatever and be fine
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Jul 7, 2016 06:06
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GEMorris posted:Here, for an extra dick-punch, run a bunch of guns into it: I'll send this to him, thanks for making me cry in the future.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:34
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Excelsiortothemax posted:If you have Trenchers in your list consider the Trench Buster. He is a P&S 14 hole busting solo that rolls 4d6 on damage with flank. Tough as nails and less than a sentinel. Oh absolutely, the buster with trenchers hits like a truck however I don't own the mini so it's not an option right now. Also I own 2 Sentinels from running Mk2 Kraye lists, I just wish they still shot d6 shots is all.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:50
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fnordcircle posted:Not until recently, and he's too afraid to play Rahn cause he's worried about being 'mean.' I feel like I'm having the opposite problem! Every mk2 game I ever lost was due to my warcaster being inside something's range and getting wiped, whereas in mk3 across the 4 games i've played, (and won!) my wardude has been attacked a total of twice. You can always try a more defensive or controlling warcaster. My personal favourite is vlad2 (i've played him in all 4 games), since with a combination of Wind Blast and pre-measuring you can lock down all the avenues of being shot at, and with a War Dog and/or Drakhun you can punish any pesky solos for trying to rush in at you. Having a steady 'jack to pop in front of your caster always helps, too!
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Yeah for khador "don't kill my caster man!" jacks, devastator + kodiak + Rager are going to be necessary. You either have a big could, an immovable arm23 large base (that can get one rounded by AP or Siege, mind you), or a cheap arm21 shield guard with three initials. That being said, I've played Karchev, Kozlov, Strakhov and Old Witch so far in mk3. Karchev can just hide behind jacks and laugh at most shooting - but an entire bg of countercharging khador heavies made most people want to stay far away from me, kozlov can just chill in/behind forests (though when I played him he chilled behind two devastators), strakhov had the Rager and occultation on himself once the AKs closed in, and old witch tanked a full round of fun shooting from a Hark and Friends list with proxied Kapitans by hanging out in a trench and camping 3 focus. Irusk2 is also basically an unkillable bastard who can give himself a 5" supertrench because gently caress him. Seriously, can we talk about how bullshit AoD is? 5" cover aoe, enemies treat as rough terrain, and its "within" not "completely within". and it's an upkeep Also, iron flesh is still really good on our casters, because +2 arm and blast immunity can help you shrug off most damage if you're camping focus. wearing a lampshade fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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albany academy posted:Yeah for khador "don't kill my caster man!" jacks, devastator + kodiak + Rager are going to be necessary. You either have a big could, an immovable arm23 large base (that can get one rounded by AP or Siege, mind you), or a cheap arm21 shield guard with three initials. They nerfed the gently caress out of Fox Hole and then give Irusk 2 this new version of AoD lmao
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Yeah but winter guard lost bob and weave and most khador dudes have poo poo DEF. You need that cover if you want to run lots of little dudes.
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gannyGrabber posted:Yeah but winter guard lost bob and weave and most khador dudes have poo poo DEF. You need that cover if you want to run lots of little dudes. Or you could just have a ton of tough no KD dudes that can get turned into POW 12 weaponmasters at the drop of a russian hat that all have CRA and brutal damage weapon attachments while loving Behemoth is shooting you and you have units of snipers and... oh yeah. Meanwhile, I can't place Fox Hole on top of my dudes anymore  Siege is still amazing, the Fox Hole change was just stupid. Just put a 'friendly model' clause in order to be affected by it. S.J. fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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S.J. posted:Or you could just have a ton of tough no KD dudes that can get turned into POW 12 weaponmasters at the drop of a russian hat that all have CRA and brutal damage weapon attachments while loving Behemoth is shooting you and you have units of snipers and... oh yeah. Yeah Khador is the best. You caught me! You also forgot the def 19 stealth no blast damage 10.5 threat range double attacking anatomical precision gang acrobats for 5 pts.
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gannyGrabber posted:Yeah Khador is the best. You caught me! You also forgot the def 19 stealth no blast damage 10.5 threat range double attacking anatomical precision gang acrobats for 5 pts. gently caress. Guess I am gonna have to play Caine 2
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S.J. posted:gently caress. What's caine 2's ARM? What are his feelings about a sylas bonus'd Airburst? Asking for a friend...
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gannyGrabber posted:Yeah Khador is the best.  
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gannyGrabber posted:What's caine 2's ARM? What are his feelings about a sylas bonus'd Airburst? Asking for a friend... omg
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gannyGrabber posted:What's caine 2's ARM? What are his feelings about a sylas bonus'd Airburst? Asking for a friend... 16  (NEVER LEAVE HOME WITH AN ARM 13 CASTER AND NO ARCANE SHIELD)Besides, didn't you hear? Caine 2 and Sloan are unbeatable. Just don't even show up.
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S.J. posted:16 I mean, deploying further back or getting shot before getting a turn is a negative experience but from everything I've read the math makes the chances at an assassination pretty low and probably leaves the Cygnar jerk hosed the next turn but idk I'm not good at warmachining.
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S.J. posted:16 Prolly gonna run into a sloan this weekend... Gonna vlad feat and run all my men into melee across 18-20 inches and see what he thinks of that. Fukkin gun lines.
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gannyGrabber posted:Prolly gonna run into a sloan this weekend... Gonna vlad feat and run all my men into melee across 18-20 inches and see what he thinks of that. Fukkin gun lines. Recommended counters: play Menoth or Trolls
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S.J. posted:Recommended counters: play Menoth or Trolls What can sloan do to get through clouds? I could try zerkova...
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