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logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

exploding mummy posted:

they tend to be run by separate endowments and legal entities from the academic portions of the university

it was hard to tell as students got squeezed when the football team would invest money in some other nonsense building

also it wasn't fun dealing with the loud drunk crowds

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logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
not as bad if it was really separate financially but really hosed up for schools that have to choose one or the other

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

roll tide

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
college football is fun as hell but is also literally the modern slaev trtade and it completely corrupt at every level and the naia is fuckin sad poo poo and the only true college sports out there are divisioin III where the kids dont actually think theyre going on to anything and theyre just playing for the fun of it as a glorified club sport

a messed up horse
Mar 11, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
college football, much like bernie, is good

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Not a Step posted:

Supply and demand. And state tax revenues are drying up so there is less and less state support for subsidizing higher education. Reagan won. Americans hate paying taxes and will fight tooth and nail against even modest increases for public goods.

Also the big name brand colleges spend fortunes on non-academic expenses. New buildings, prestigious academic research, separate but equal safe spaces - all of those things cost money. Instructors are dirt cheap thanks to the implosion of academia, its the everything else that costs a fortune.


It will likely break existing programs to make room, so ts going to be like ObamaCare, it will be great if you luck into the coverage band but absolute horseshit for everyone else.

mega hosed up that universities spend money on research

e: also "separate but equal safe spaces" really showing your hand here

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
also minor league baseball fuckin sucks because there is no reason to get excited about your local team there are only 30 teams that are capable of being care dabout nationwide and that is some fuckin dumb poo poo especially because baseball should really have a team in all sorts of crazy rear end cities like akron ohio or like sioux falls or like imagine if they put a baseball team in a city like san diego (lol padres suck joke)

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/750774404536205313

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
gmos and nuclear are like the only 2 things i disagree w/ on bernie and bernies stance on gmos is just "label them" which isnt really that harmful

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

I disagree. Bernie probably just killed the M&Ms brand by bringing attention to that. Terrible. The brand will be dead within a year.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


anime was right posted:

gmos and nuclear are like the only 2 things i disagree w/ on bernie and bernies stance on gmos is just "label them" which isnt really that harmful

It really is though.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Please wordfilter Jeb to a picture of a cute turtle

Then he's all anyone would talk about.

SirJohnnyMcDonald
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx




Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I got into a GMO argument with a Bernie person a couple weeks ago. It always seems to come down to, "I just want to know" because obviously there's absolutely no evidence or solid justifications to fall back on. What I don't get about the "let the free market figure it out" approach is how is that not the case right now?

The market is already free - anybody is free to label that their product is GMO-free if they like, and many do. Does Sanders' bill address any of the nuance, like if a cow is grazed on GMO corn/grass is it a GMO food? If something is manufactured using a chemical byproduct of GMO corn, is that foodstuff now unable to be considered GMO-free?

My main thing is that the USDA requires the use of no GMO foodstuffs for a product to maintain the Organic label, so no GMO labeling laws ALREADY EXIST. What is the purpose of the new laws?

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

The mighty ! practices to devour Trump's heart and steal his power on the Convention floor.

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)

Brocialist posted:

It really is though.

?

I did post in the other thread that i think there are waaaaaay more important issues to deal with than GMOs, wrt agriculture

of course tho a lot of those issues are kinda structural so i guess they'd be tough

like treating animals more ethically

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


/\/\ it does immediate economic damage to agriculture. Immediate, and grave consequences with the way things are currently done. Also the benefit is basically nil, so combine that with the huge-rear end negative? :gas:

Epic High Five posted:

My main thing is that the USDA requires the use of no GMO foodstuffs for a product to maintain the Organic label, so no GMO labeling laws ALREADY EXIST. What is the purpose of the new laws?

I don't really see it as much different than the irradiation thing. Labeling may seem harmless, but people can be idiots, and large numbers of idiots avoiding GMOs is bad news bears for efforts to do good things for the survival of humans. Things like develop high-yield wheat so there's stuff to send other places, or especially resilient crops so farmers can grow in places that aren't very hospitable.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Brocialist posted:

I don't really see it as much different than the irradiation thing. Labeling may seem harmless, but people can be idiots, and large numbers of idiots avoiding GMOs is bad news bears for efforts to do good things for the survival of humans. Things like develop high-yield wheat so there's stuff to send other places, or especially resilient crops so farmers can grow in places that aren't very hospitable.

So what you're saying is we should just burn monsanto to the ground.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Brocialist posted:

I don't really see it as much different than the irradiation thing. Labeling may seem harmless, but people can be idiots, and large numbers of idiots avoiding GMOs is bad news bears for efforts to do good things for the survival of humans. Things like develop high-yield wheat so there's stuff to send other places, or especially resilient crops so farmers can grow in places that aren't very hospitable.

This was my argument. We're past the point where we can be lackadaisical about how our arable land is being utilized, and Organic and non-GMO is disgustingly inefficient

The future is going to be GMO variants of the crops we're used to right now, or non-GMO fields of nothing but sorghum and millet. I'm kind of curious as to when beef gets priced out of the range of most people though, because water isn't going to be getting cheaper and cows use a TON

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Epic High Five posted:

This was my argument. We're past the point where we can be lackadaisical about how our arable land is being utilized, and Organic and non-GMO is disgustingly inefficient

The future is going to be GMO variants of the crops we're used to right now, or non-GMO fields of nothing but sorghum and millet. I'm kind of curious as to when beef gets priced out of the range of most people though, because water isn't going to be getting cheaper and cows use a TON

The answer may very well be lab-grown, but you know how long that'll last with the anti-science crowd being given what they want all the loving time

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)
i think the problem is we need to make sure that as we transition to lab grown/GMO/etc poo poo, that those food sources aren't controlled by corporate interests.

...which would be impossible to ensure right now.

systematic changes need to coincide w/this stuff, in other words.

(i'm not saying i have an answer to this lmao i definitely don't)

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Error 404 posted:

So what you're saying is we should just burn monsanto to the ground.

Monsanto is no more evil than any other giant multinational corporation. The stories of malicious lawsuits against poor innocent farmers are largely myths.

We should call for an open culture of research surrounding GMOs and fund more public science rather than leave the bulk of the operation up to the dreaded free market, but thats not because Monsanto has some evil agenda beyond making a poo poo ton of money.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Not a Step posted:

not because Monsanto has some evil agenda beyond making a poo poo ton of money.

The banality of loving evil

E: the pursuit of profit, unfettered by things like public good or (oftentimes) even legality, is exactly where evil comes from.

Error 404 has issued a correction as of 07:41 on Jul 7, 2016

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Jeb once strong



now broken

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Nonsense posted:

Jeb once strong



now broken



once high energy, full of virility :smith:

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

exploding mummy posted:

they tend to be run by separate endowments and legal entities from the academic portions of the university

Only at the P5 level. Everywhere else they are extremely dependant on direct transfers from the academic side of the University. Go check out how much Houston, Cincinnati, and other schools that are trying to move up are mortgaging themselves for wins.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

zen death robot posted:

Making a profit is fine and good

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

zen death robot posted:

Why won't anyone post about Jeb anymore? I miss him.

Have a classic:

https://vine.co/v/eT1p012hxOh

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Nonsense posted:

Jeb once strong



now broken



bring back the powerful dictator mustache jeb

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
are you sure that's not a south american dictator or cartel boss?

if you told me that was a fresh out of murderous dictator college Saddam Huseein I'd have nodded in agreement

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

exploding mummy posted:

they tend to be run by separate endowments and legal entities from the academic portions of the university

A whole lot of them still take "fees" from students each semester and run up huge deficits.

Rand alPaul has issued a correction as of 22:07 on Jul 7, 2016

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

So he genuinely believes that 'GMOs' are enough of a danger to need to be aware of, but also that such a tiny, easily ignored, label is good enough? Gee it's almost like he doesn't actually believe in this but just supports it for easy green points.

Still gently caress that, unless they're ok with labeling every single ear of corn or apple ever grown as 'GMO' these people are all full of poo poo.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Tatum Girlparts posted:

So he genuinely believes that 'GMOs' are enough of a danger to need to be aware of, but also that such a tiny, easily ignored, label is good enough? Gee it's almost like he doesn't actually believe in this but just supports it for easy green points.

Still gently caress that, unless they're ok with labeling every single ear of corn or apple ever grown as 'GMO' these people are all full of poo poo.

I want every seedless fruit to be labeled as a GMO. :colbert:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/751140975687368705

Not just voting for a bad law but wasting everybody's time to vote for a bad law.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/751140975687368705

Not just voting for a bad law but wasting everybody's time to vote for a bad law.

GMO labeling is like the hazardous material warnings from CA proposition 65, a complete loving waste of time and money, especially when MSDS exists.

But back to GMO's, it's loving dumb since they have been a thing for literal centuries.

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Is Ben Carson future time-travelling Jayden Smith stuck in the past?

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011


Says the guy who like a week ago said his mother would probably have shot at reporters.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
The sad part is that Jeb is probably the best looking of any of the Bushes who tried his hand at office.

Can't talk for poo poo though, much like the other two.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Probably Magic posted:

The sad part is that Jeb is probably the best looking of any of the Bushes who tried his hand at office.

Can't talk for poo poo though, much like the other two.

HW is kind of eloquent since he never hid the fact he's from Maine/Mass.

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Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
anyone else think W.'s starting to look like Jim Lahey as he gets old?

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