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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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jre posted:Season ticket is worth at least £300 how exactly do you use this when you'll be expected to be at all the games anyway, prancing around in front of schoolchildren?
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PiCroft posted:Anyone who orders one will be added to a watch list. 
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Jul 5, 2016 23:26
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Nicola Sturgeon reassures EU nationals in Scotland And calls out Theresa may for being an evil cow. Teenagers are learning to use a condom. Canadian newspaper Toronto Star wants Nicola to be in charge of the UK? quote:A NOVEL suggestion to solve the current problem of who’s actually in charge of Britain has been raised by the Canadian newspaper the Toronto Star. Also on Bella Caledonia, they seem to be doing a series of articles of people expressing their views on why their changing their stance on indepedence. Not sure if anyone is interested or not. http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/06/30/new-yes-1/ http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/07/05/new-yes-2/
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Jul 5, 2016 23:40
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Never mind the politics of it, this is a clever little take on events
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Jul 6, 2016 12:14
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SNP could be thinking of leaving the Greens-EFA group in European Parliament EU diplomats seem to be supportive with Sturgeon Brian Ashcroft, Fraser of Allander Institute has his say and his study on Brexit and how it would affect Scotland in both short-term and long-term  <----
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Jul 6, 2016 17:57
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The SNP are planning to ditch Catalan separatists haha.
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Jul 6, 2016 20:14
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Kezia giving a speech right now. Mostly about how much of a loving catastrophe Brexit is. Nothing about Corbyn or independence yet. Ian Murray sitting in the front row though
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Jul 7, 2016 11:12
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Blaming Brexit on austerity and the hollowing out of the working class. Talking about needing a new political consensus. 2008 "brought the curtain down" on liberalism. Brexit was a strike against the political class. "Too quick to follow public opinion rather than leading it".
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Jul 7, 2016 11:16
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Hitting out at the SNP for not reaching out to Leave voters after the referendum. Ruling out supporting independence, I think. Talking a lot about reaching out to the disenfranchised. Worries about radicalisation. "Need immigrants for our economy to function well" She just dismissed triangulation by name. Politicians need to argue for the policies they want to implement. Lots of anti-austerity rhetoric. If this isn't a pro-Corbyn speech she's trying to coopt his platform.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:25
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Not much happening at the moment for obvious reasons. Even the Times is wondering what's left for Ruth Davidson Kurt Mills, Senior Lecturer in International Human Rights at the University of Glasgow has his say on the matter Autonomous Monster posted:Hitting out at the SNP for not reaching out to Leave voters after the referendum. Ruling out supporting independence, I think. The Labour voters voted to Remain more then the SNP voters. Surely that preety much means that it's going to backfire against them again like LabourforIndy except with possibly a lot more backing this time. She can say what she wants but if her voters don't agree with it then she may just be putting another nail on the coffen again. Pissflaps posted:The SNP are planning to ditch Catalan separatists haha. It is ironic but I assume the reason is because of not getting to cozy with the Catalan separatists when Spain is an obstucle, though an obstacle that won't get a majority anyways depending what status Scotland gets.
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Jul 7, 2016 13:50
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Extreme0 posted:The Labour voters voted to Remain more then the SNP voters. Statistics pedantry time: unless you're looking at a different survey than the Ashcroft one, there was only one percentage point in that, which sounds likely to fall within whatever the margins of error were. Actually, was there a breakdown of Scottish Labour voters? Might be an interesting question. (e: no there wasn't) Autonomous Monster posted:Hitting out at the SNP for not reaching out to Leave voters after the referendum. This does sound like a bit of a contradiction, though. I haven't seen the actual speech but. Angepain fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Jul 7, 2016 14:00
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I dunno, I still haven't met anyone who's been turned pro-Indy by Brexit. If they're out there they're keeping quiet about it. How large can that constituency really be? We're looking at the intersection of Remain and No, and the subset of that for whom EU membership was the deciding factor in their No vote. I'd be surprised if there's five points in it, if that.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:05
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Angepain posted:This does sound like a bit of a contradiction, though. I haven't seen the actual speech but. There were cameras on it, I'll see if I can find a video of it. LabourList writeup here: http://labourlist.org/2016/07/kezia-dugdale-brexit-referendum-result-exposed-scotlands-divisions/
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Jul 7, 2016 14:08
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Judging by some media output it's clear the result has come as a shock for some traditional No voters and made them reassess their position - I think a hypothetical Indyref the Friday after EUref could well have produced a Yes result. But as time goes on, and the pragmatic arguments come to the fore, I think it'll be less and less of a factor.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:08
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Autonomous Monster posted:I dunno, I still haven't met anyone who's been turned pro-Indy by Brexit. If they're out there they're keeping quiet about it. EU membership doesn't have to be the deciding factor. All that is required is the belief, now, that Scotland is hosed if it remains in a non-EU UK.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:31
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Pissflaps posted:Judging by some media output it's clear the result has come as a shock for some traditional No voters and made them reassess their position - I think a hypothetical Indyref the Friday after EUref could well have produced a Yes result. I agree with this - if Indyref2 happens, it's likely to take a year or more to go through the whole process - runup, campaigning, debates etc like it did last time. Once that occurs, it is inevitable that arguments will need to turn to practical concerns, such as currency, economy, what share of the debt we inherit, borders etc. If someone was a No voter last time, they will still want answers to these questions and as time goes on, the emotional impact of Brexit will fade. Perhaps when we actually pull the trigger on Article 50, these feelings will renew, but I doubt it's enough to sway people from last time. I think, however, the larger impact will be as that article Extreme0 linked - the resurgent English Nationalist sentiment and especially within the Tories. Whether it's wise to base an irrevocable political breakup on something that is transitory like that, I don't know. All I know is, what is happening in the political system at the moment and the kind of people looking to become the leader of the nation is making me deeply uneasy and even pragmatic economic arguments are somewhat dry and bitter against that at the moment.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:37
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Jedit posted:EU membership doesn't have to be the deciding factor. All that is required is the belief, now, that Scotland is hosed if it remains in a non-EU UK. If the UK is hosed then so is Scotland - with or without Independence, in or out of the EU. It's the same as the facile argument that the UK should leave the EU because the latter is about to go down the shitter. As the UK relies on a healthy EU for prosperity, so Scotland relies on the UK.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:41
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Hey, Twitter people: is there any particular accounts you'd recommend following for interesting or breaking news/views on Scottish politics/culture/social issues?
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Jul 7, 2016 14:57
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Autonomous Monster posted:I dunno, I still haven't met anyone who's been turned pro-Indy by Brexit. If they're out there they're keeping quiet about it. The intersection is pretty major in some of the biggest No areas, eg Edinburgh was ~75% remain and 61% No, but the biggest Yes areas were still solidly Remain bitterandtwisted fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Jul 7, 2016 16:08
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bitterandtwisted posted:The intersection is pretty major in some of the biggest No areas, eg Edinburgh was ~75% remain and 61% No, but the biggest Yes areas were still solidly Remain that intersection alone (if they switched to Yes) would make the election too close to call
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Jul 7, 2016 18:01
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/4rl0js/discussion_contribute_to_rscotlands_scottish/ Seems like a community FAQ is up on r/scotland based around Independence and the issues surronding it and it appears to be actually okay. I know it's Reddit but it appears that r/Scotland is at least actually not toxic compared to most of reddit. Niric posted:Hey, Twitter people: is there any particular accounts you'd recommend following for interesting or breaking news/views on Scottish politics/culture/social issues? @GrayInGlasgow @neilslorance @patrickharvie @Ross_Greer PiCroft posted:If someone was a No voter last time, they will still want answers to these questions and as time goes on, the emotional impact of Brexit will fade. Perhaps when we actually pull the trigger on Article 50, these feelings will renew, but I doubt it's enough to sway people from last time. The emotional impact of Brexit will fade over time but not the economic & diplomatic impact which will stick and be reminded for a long time. Prices will raise a considerable amount for most products, bussiness & careers that relied on the EU will get hosed and the motion of free movement getting hosed will also make things more difficult for people moving about around the EEA & Tourism alike. And that's just a very short list of things going to happen for years to come. Basically it's not only the poor that are going to get affect but also the middle class too. The poor were always hosed regardless but the middle class at least kept themselves OK but still felt the sting of the recession and austerity project. This however I think is going to gently caress them along with the poor in some manner. PiCroft posted:I think, however, the larger impact will be as that article Extreme0 linked - the resurgent English Nationalist sentiment and especially within the Tories. Whether it's wise to base an irrevocable political breakup on something that is transitory like that, I don't know. All I know is, what is happening in the political system at the moment and the kind of people looking to become the leader of the nation is making me deeply uneasy and even pragmatic economic arguments are somewhat dry and bitter against that at the moment. People who rely on human beings as bargaining chips or think the LGBT are mentally ill and have power to do so is the type of shithole I want to get out of regardless of the consquences. That's near sociopath behavior and anyone who thinks it's going to be OK are deluding themselves.
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Jul 8, 2016 00:30
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Extreme0 posted:People who rely on human beings as bargaining chips or think the LGBT are mentally ill and have power to do so is the type of shithole I want to get out of regardless of the consquences. That's near sociopath behavior and anyone who thinks it's going to be OK are deluding themselves. It seems quaint that when Cameron won the last election, I was worried of the state of the welfare state and the NHS - now I worry for the state of basic civil rights.
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Jul 8, 2016 09:20
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Extreme0 posted:@GrayInGlasgow Thanks for this. Already following most politicians of interest/job relevance, but Neil Slorance was a new one! [EDIT: most elected politicians I should say. If you know any interesting activist/policy types, that'd be great] Niric fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Jul 8, 2016 17:52
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Pissflaps posted:If the UK is hosed then so is Scotland - with or without Independence, in or out of the EU. There is a difference between being hosed under the Tories and hosed under the SNP within the EU. The Tories will make sure the poorest bare the brunt of Brexit's downsides. They will still have human rights while someone like Leadsom is busy removing ours in order to wage her war on political correctness. What you're actually saying is there is no downside to splitting. If the UK somehow pulls back then they will still be a valuable trading partner with the EU, including Scotland. If they stay hosed then at least Scotland can look after its own and protect things like health services while the UK ravages itself.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:37
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Niric posted:Thanks for this. Already following most politicians of interest/job relevance, but Neil Slorance was a new one! Scottish Twitter lawyers are a pro follow, especially for land reform and constitutional issues. I'd recommend @PeatWorrier @loveandgarbage @trewloy @MalcolmCombe @profchalmers.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:44
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Regarde Aduck posted:There is a difference between being hosed under the Tories and hosed under the SNP within the EU. The Tories will make sure the poorest bare the brunt of Brexit's downsides. I mean that's sort of what the EU's doing to Greece.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:46
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keep punching joe posted:Scottish Twitter lawyers are a pro follow, especially for land reform and constitutional issues. I'd recommend @PeatWorrier @loveandgarbage @trewloy @MalcolmCombe @profchalmers. These are perfect, thanks! One thing though, is @loveandgarbage now called something else? Account with that name seems to be inactive
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Jul 8, 2016 20:57
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Niric posted:These are perfect, thanks! One thing though, is @loveandgarbage now called something else? Account with that name seems to be inactive It was a phone typo actually, loveandgarbage became trewloy at some point and got confused.
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Jul 8, 2016 22:56
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Regarde Aduck posted:If they stay hosed then at least Scotland can look after its own and protect things like health services while the UK ravages itself. I'm not sure this is true.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:36
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I'm not sure that it's not true.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:43
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I have an opinion on this matter.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:46
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Angepain posted:I have an opinion on this matter. Controversial
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Jul 9, 2016 00:48
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keep punching joe posted:Scottish Twitter lawyers are a pro follow, especially for land reform and constitutional issues. I'd recommend @PeatWorrier @loveandgarbage @trewloy @MalcolmCombe @profchalmers. Stick with @trewloy (the former @loveandgarbage) even when he goes a bit odd (his "think of a number between one and a million" game where he retweeted all the hundreds of replies, for example) - he's a master of the twitter form, and utterly forensically brutal when he gets the bit between his teeth on a legal matter.
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Jul 9, 2016 03:25
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Regarde Aduck posted:There is a difference between being hosed under the Tories and hosed under the SNP within the EU. The Tories will make sure the poorest bare the brunt of Brexit's downsides. They will still have human rights while someone like Leadsom is busy removing ours in order to wage her war on political correctness. What you're actually saying is there is no downside to splitting. If the UK somehow pulls back then they will still be a valuable trading partner with the EU, including Scotland. If they stay hosed then at least Scotland can look after its own and protect things like health services while the UK ravages itself. To add another point to this: while Scotland will almost certainly be just as massively hosed by declaring independence as it would be by remaining in the hosed UK, the independent Scotland is preferable simply because it will be easier to leave it.
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Jul 9, 2016 12:41
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What is our next PM Angela Leadstrom's policy on Scotland? Would she give us indyref 2, or is she going to send the tanks in?
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Jul 9, 2016 13:52
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marktheando posted:What is our next PM Angela Leadstrom's policy on Scotland? Would she give us indyref 2, or is she going to send the tanks in? http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/maggie-mark-ii-would-pm-8382453
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Jul 9, 2016 13:56
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Time to party like its 1956!
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Jul 9, 2016 14:26
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If this is true it's really sad. edit: Did Alyn Smith really use that insane 'the UK is not a real country' argument in the European Parliament? Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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Jul 9, 2016 21:11
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Pissflaps posted:If this is true it's really sad. I don't know about that. Do they have a lot of rats in Estonia? 
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So has the world come to a end yet ? Is there still food in the supermarkets ? Do i need a wheel barrow to carry 600000000 rubles to buy a loaf of bread ? Imagine if the rest of the country had to bail out the financial sector London "ohh sorry I forgot that happened already under the EU eutopia that shields us from all evil" Yep project fear failed big time and now its time for project spit are dummy's and stamp are feet and call every one a racists idiot who knows not what he are she voted for . Best part of it is some of you people think your the solution when the truth is your the minority problem and the days of spurting left wing dribble from a bubble and getting paid for it are over. Doesn't democracy suck when your on the wrong end of it :P Only question I wonder is how on earth G Osbourne has the nerve to show his face in public again . Truly a classic example of a two faced scare mongering politician if there ever was one , just a few weeks ago he try's to intimidate pensioners and scare cancer patients with lies , and the loving left forgives it all as they tend to do if it suits there agenda and mean while that Evil man Mr farage post a factual picture of refuges that the BBC used its self just last year and people cry murder lol . Then we have the BBC left wing fascists who are born with a inbuilt hate of all things British and if you happen to be a white middle aged male well they just hate you that bit more . EU gravy train is sunk.The next target is the BBC gravy train soon all you will have left is retweets and likes on facebook and comment section in the Telegraph to reconfirm your Champaign socialist views . Hell even a party leader with a massive majority of labour party members backing him is now subject to the, never done a days work in are life Champaign socialist revolt . Angela Eagle what a loving joke that women is she was born in a think tank and has as much substance as a fart in the wind and now because democracy did not go her way decides she should rule over a elected leader that is in place . Christ they all stood and watched that Muppet Ed Milliband sink that party with his dribble for the past 5 years and suddenly the public votes to leave the EU and these Muppets want to blame the leader of the labour party for it , good on Jeremy Corbyn for saying a big gently caress you to them all I have new found respect for the man. Also thanks for the week ban I was given for no reason what so ever, I Understand you people don't like it when people give it back to you I know its cold out there, but its been glorious watching all the tears in this thread, its like 40 ED miliband clones spawned at once in a thread. I leave you with a nice little clip of GO and a pic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRpG3olg3JY  P.S Yes I am a vile middle aged racist who cant spell for poo poo moonraker fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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