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blue squares posted:Your avatar is triggering me. Quorn gave me the most intense food poisoning of my life. loving fungus food Im sorry but as you might have already guessed, this av was given to me so I cant claim responsibility for it triggering you. I hope you understand
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Burning Rain posted:the guy dissing it for weeks without actually reading the ('barely novel' length) book sure was something else. Speaking of being triggered this dude got crazy under my skin. And he's still going!
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Jul 7, 2016 14:19
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Speaking of being triggered this dude got crazy under my skin.
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Jul 7, 2016 14:22
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I would love to see that dude and some of the more conservative posters in this thread duke it out
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Jul 7, 2016 14:25
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I refuse to believe that a real person would wade into a thread about minimalist contemporary Korean feminist literature and explain that he didn't read it and we should be talking about the real modern classic that is the nine-volume fantasy rape epic Prince of Nothing instead, it's too perfect
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Jul 7, 2016 14:44
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I refuse to believe that a real person would wade into a thread about minimalist contemporary Korean feminist literature and explain that he didn't read it and we should be talking about the real modern classic that is the nine-volume fantasy rape epic Prince of Nothing instead, it's too perfect I do love how he really wants to get into a fight about fantasy being better than literature and no one is actually interested in having it.
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Jul 7, 2016 15:10
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I refuse to believe that a real person would wade into a thread about minimalist contemporary Korean feminist literature and explain that he didn't read it and we should be talking about the real modern classic that is the nine-volume fantasy rape epic Prince of Nothing instead, it's too perfect Don't forget his bitching that the third of the book that he admits to reading had trite themes on feminism and were unrealistic and benign, unlike the "epic tome with human bones" that is Malazan, because Fantasy is the best ever and here's some fantasy authors quoting themselves as their references. I never really understood why he assumed a series of 800-page books is considered more substantial than a 200 page book. If a book can convey it's story and message in 200 pages, why is that a problem?
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Jul 7, 2016 15:20
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I do love how he really wants to get into a fight about fantasy being better than literature and no one is actually interested in having it.
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Jul 7, 2016 15:28
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Franchescanado posted:Don't forget his bitching that the third of the book that he admits to reading had trite themes on feminism and were unrealistic and benign, unlike the "epic tome with human bones" that is Malazan, because Fantasy is the best ever and here's some fantasy authors quoting themselves as their references. Some people are just very concerned about the dimensions of certain things
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Jul 7, 2016 15:44
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Franchescanado posted:unlike the "epic tome with human bones" I am glad other people noticed that he would say these insanely grandiose loving statements like he was auditioning for a pull quote I was also kind of surprised to discover that apparently every white male middle aged fantasy author has a blog about how unappreciated their genius is Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Jul 7, 2016 15:54
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Are you really that surprised?
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Jul 7, 2016 16:16
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R Scott Bakker's blog is the best bc if you go far enough back you find like five posts over the space of a few years where he periodically cries and rages impotently because one no-name feminist blogger once wrote a mean thing about him years before (see my linked post as to why that might have been!), and how as a result the misandrist thought police has ruined his book sales and livelihood. I think he still posts about it sometimes
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Jul 7, 2016 16:20
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Have you ever talked to Fantasy writers? "I did three hours of world building yesterday. Pretty gratifying. Some awesome stuff in the works." "How much did you write?" "Oh I've got pages and pages of notes and sketches and drawings of the characters and maps." "But how much of the story did you write?" "???" Not to bust anyone about their craft, and I'm not trying to imply all Fantasy writers are like this, but this has been most of my interactions with them, published and unpublished. Fantasy writers and Film Students: most of them can go gently caress right off.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:23
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:R Scott Bakker's blog is the best bc if you go far enough back you find like five posts over the space of a few years where he periodically cries and rages impotently because one no-name feminist blogger once wrote a mean thing about him years before (see my linked post as to why that might have been!), and how as a result the misandrist thought police has ruined his book sales and livelihood. I think he still posts about it sometimes lol was he one of those Sad/Rabid Puppies idiots from a few years ago? corn in the fridge posted:Are you really that surprised? Honestly, yeah. If you are writing something that brings you joy and you can make a living at it, just be happy about it. If you do not care about sales and want PRESTIGE then write a prestigious book and give a shot. These guys seem to want to be held in the esteem of the great authors of the modern age while consciously marketing themselves as pulp fluff. Don't write 10,000 pages about Evil Wizards who represent Leprosy and then complain you are not held in the same esteem as Faulkner.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:27
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Mel Mudkiper posted:lol was he one of those Sad/Rabid Puppies idiots from a few years ago?
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Jul 7, 2016 16:29
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I'm kind of shocked he listed Vollmann's The Dying Grass as one of his favorites, because that is a legitimately great book.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:32
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Popular Human posted:I'm kind of shocked he listed Vollmann's The Dying Grass as one of his favorites, because that is a legitimately great book. I am honestly not sure if he read it. I genuinely think he googled "big loving books" and just listed what came up. Then again, Vollman is all of the tropes of a fantasy author in literature form so who knows
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Jul 7, 2016 16:35
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I wonder if fantasy writers read anything other than fantasy
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Jul 7, 2016 16:35
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corn in the fridge posted:I wonder if fantasy writers read anything other than fantasy I read that really bad Donaldson article talking about how his work relates to "Great Authors" and I noticed every example was a writer who was popular during or came before the exact time he was an undergrad in college. The fact his knowledge of contemporary literature stops exactly at the time he turned 22 was really telling EDIT: seriously look at this goddamn tripe masquerading as literary analysis http://www.nyrsf.com/2015/03/fantasy-is-the-most-intelligent-precise-and-accurate-means-of-arriving-at-the-truth-s-p.html Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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Jul 7, 2016 16:38
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The stupid thing about the genre label is that it lumps together these idiots and the likes of Ursula le Guin
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Jul 7, 2016 16:54
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A Confederacy of Dunces is a delightful mix of Don Quixote, Tristram Shandy, At Swim-Two-Birds, and if I really wanted to raise some people's hackles, Ulysses dropped in New Orleans and stirred up by a hilarious and deeply perceptive guy who just happened to commit suicide. I understand how the novel's backstory must have created some excitement at the time of its discovery, but it absolutely deserved the Pulitzer—hell, it's even my favorite Pulitzer winner. I wish JKT had lived to 100 and written a dozen more novels half as good.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:55
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I liked when the weird guy came back after a week away and decided he wanted to "discuss" again so dropped another post longer than the loving book he didn't read which basically repeated all his earlier points and said "nuh-uh!" a lot to everything that was said to him. Too many words to say absolutely nothing is the perfect summary both of his posts and the books he's putting forward as somehow better than the ~Literary Establishment~.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:56
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I think the world would be a better place if more genre writers had influences outside their preferred genres.
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Jul 7, 2016 16:57
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I refuse to believe that a real person would wade into a thread about minimalist contemporary Korean feminist literature and explain that he didn't read it and we should be talking about the real modern classic that is the nine-volume fantasy rape epic Prince of Nothing instead, it's too perfect I got around to reading that excerpt you posted and I am not sure if I am more offended by the content or the prose.
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Jul 7, 2016 17:02
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I refuse to believe that a real person would wade into a thread about minimalist contemporary Korean feminist literature and explain that he didn't read it and we should be talking about the real modern classic that is the nine-volume fantasy rape epic Prince of Nothing instead, it's too perfect Ha, I used to read that guy's blog about video games back in the mid-2000s.
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Jul 7, 2016 17:12
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I got around to reading that excerpt you posted and I am not sure if I am more offended by the content or the prose.
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Jul 7, 2016 17:24
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quote:The thing screeched like a thousand falcons Look at that description. loving look at it. Bathe in it.
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Jul 7, 2016 17:25
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lmao I just noticed guess-who appears in that thread to defend Bakker as the greatest psychologist and groundbreaking neuroscientist of our age
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Jul 7, 2016 17:29
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In reference to Confederacy of Dunces, I'm going to start reading Walker Percy's first novel, The Moviegoer, tonight. Percy was instrumental in getting CoD published after Toole's death. I've never read the guy, but I'm excited.
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Jul 7, 2016 17:36
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Look at that description. loving look at it. Bathe in it. this is arguably the least aesthetically offensive segment of that excerpt
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Jul 7, 2016 17:44
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What do a thousand falcons scream like? And how does one scream like them? Does he mean the thing had a thousand vocal chords making distinct sounds? That the scream was dissonant? That the scream was loud? And if it was any of the latter why not use the infinite better similes that exist than "like a thousand falcons" End Of Worlds posted:this is arguably the least aesthetically offensive segment of that excerpt Oh totally, that segment is not offensively ugly as much as it is hilariously incompetent
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I had moments of feeling meh about Confederacy but like any good classic comedy setup it all starts falling together toward the end and all the details become essential components of the punchline. Also the thing about Ignatius being a huge goon is probably part of the reason it's less impressive these days because guys like that are everywhere. It's prescient.Solitair posted:I think the world would be a better place if more genre writers had influences outside their preferred genres. Mel Mudkiper posted:What do a thousand falcons scream like? And how does one scream like them?
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Jul 7, 2016 17:51
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while we're on the subject of fantasy writers and weird rape, and since Donaldson was quoted above defending epic fantasy as capital-L Literature, here's an excerpt from his second novel in the Thomas Covenant series:Donaldson posted:“Are you through?” Covenant grated through the clench of his teeth. “How much more do you think I can stand?” this, for context, is his daughter by rape of a character in the first novel
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Jul 7, 2016 17:53
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What do a thousand falcons scream like? And how does one scream like them? Geez Mel do you need everything spelled out for you? Use your imagination.
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End Of Worlds posted:while we're on the subject of fantasy writers and weird rape, and since Donaldson was quoted above defending epic fantasy as capital-L Literature, here's an excerpt from his second novel in the Thomas Covenant series: I still cannot get over the fact the main villain is a wizard that represents leprosy as a metaphysical concept
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Jul 7, 2016 18:07
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Confederacy of Dunces is legitimately funny as well which is really difficult. I'm going to say that anyone who enjoyed it should read Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me - it's what would happen if Pynchon had written Confederacy.
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Jul 7, 2016 18:14
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I still cannot get over the fact the main villain is a wizard that represents leprosy as a metaphysical concept
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Jul 7, 2016 18:17
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What do a thousand falcons scream like? And how does one scream like them? I like to think he meant "The thing screeched in a manner similar to that of about a thousand known falcons. Not every falcon screeches the way the thing screeched, but at least a thousand do."
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Jul 7, 2016 18:21
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Nakar posted:Which of those two things is most offensive to you, Mel? Its a toss up. On one hand, there is deciding the best embodiment of a personal struggle with disease is a wizard. On the other hand, there is deciding that the disease should be loving leprosy.
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Cloks posted:Confederacy of Dunces is legitimately funny as well which is really difficult. I'm going to say that anyone who enjoyed it should read Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me - it's what would happen if Pynchon had written Confederacy. Been Down So Long is the funniest book I have ever read (except for maybe Inherent Vice), and it remains one of my favorites. I cannot recommend that book enough. Gnossos Pappadopoulis is such a lovable dick. I don't think CoD is near the quality of Been Down So Long, but I guess I need to give it a re-read sometime.
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