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There is absolutely no way we don't get a zombie Hodor right? It's exactly something the show would do which leads me to think the show won't do it though.
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Also lol remember when people thought Mance and Tormund glamour-switcharoo'd bodies because of the burning scene?
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Jul 7, 2016 18:46
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mastershakeman posted:Killing the children of a leader you deposed is 100% the right move every time Well yeah but they didn't need to loot and pillage the city too. Just waltz into the keep and kill the kids and Aerys, bam problem solved.
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Jul 7, 2016 18:57
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Ginette Reno posted:Well yeah but they didn't need to loot and pillage the city too. Just waltz into the keep and kill the kids and Aerys, bam problem solved. Wheres the fun in that for the poor soldiers , let them live a little
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Jul 7, 2016 19:13
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Kajeesus posted:You mistake my flippant tone for actual dismissal. I like the George Lucas quote, even if the situation he described with it was ham-fisted and not all that poetic. The Lannister brothers' storylines are very much intertwined, and in spite of how different they were at the beginning, they're growing into the same person. Oh, my rant wasn't aimed at you personally, I know you didn't actually dismiss it, it was just the right hook for me to come at this quote  .
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drunken officeparty posted:There is absolutely no way we don't get a zombie Hodor right? It's exactly something the show would do which leads me to think the show won't do it though. Seems like a waste to bring the actor back if he's just going to be a mindless tool who can only say one word.
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the jizz taxi posted:I know that George Lucas's lovely defense of copy-pasting his plots and whatnot gets tossed around here frequently just for laughs, but Lucas was right in that motifs require repetition to work effectively (hence, a motif). The difference is that in Lucas's massive turd of script writing, he went about them in the most ham-fisted and nonsensical way. In capable hands, motifs add meaning to the story, can introduce dramatic irony or enhance a reader's insight into the world or character they're going along with. That's because JarJar was supposed to be the dark sith lord and they had to sub in Tyranus last minute because of lovely JarJar reception. He was supposed to be evil yoda.
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Jul 7, 2016 19:55
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Kajeesus posted:Theon did a shitton of collateral damage even if he only killed three people directly. Jaime's attempt at killing Bran was what started the whole war.
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Mr. Nice! posted:That's because JarJar was supposed to be the dark sith lord and they had to sub in Tyranus last minute because of lovely JarJar reception. He was supposed to be evil yoda. Alhazred posted:Jaime's attempt at killing Bran was what started the whole war.
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Alhazred posted:Jaime's attempt at killing Bran was what started the whole war. What? No, Joffrey executing Ned instead of sending him to the Wall started the whole war. The Starks all thought Bran had fallen from one of his many climbs. And Bran didn't remember Jaime pushing him.
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Jul 7, 2016 20:11
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I believe the core issue that led to events that triggered the civil war was the conflict between Arya and Joffrey. That event seems to have been the hot button that gave Littlefinger room to council Joffrey into sending the assassin out slay Bran.
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Jul 7, 2016 20:26
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Ashcans posted:How do you figure that? The Baratheons don't give the slightest poo poo about Bran, and even the Starks never worked out that Jaime had thrown him out the window. Catelyn thinks that Tyrion tried to kill Bran and captures him. This leads the Lannisters to start attack the Riverlands and Ned summons Tywin to answer for this. Realizing this would probably mean war between the Starks and the Lannisters Ned prepare to leave King's Landing, Sansa refuses and mentions Joffrey's blonde hair.
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Ginette Reno posted:Of course then you do have poo poo like the sack of kings landing and his treatment of his kids that have no justification. That's more or less what I was referring to. Plus the murder of the entire Reynes clan, his treatment of his step-mom, and the  pacification of the Riverlands Ultimately it's his poetic hypocrisy that gets him murdered. Have your son's wife raped so she's treated a whore Sleep with your son's whore who he treated like a wife
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Littlefinger's asinine dagger story started the war. That got Kat to arrest Tyrion, which led Tywin to unleash the Mountain on the riverlands, etc. Of course, had Ned just relayed the story to Robert (which seems like an overwhelmingly likely thing for Ned to do), the war never happens (at least not that way) and Littlefinger is probably dangling from a rope by the end of that day. But LF's plot armor prevented that.
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If Robert had given the slightest poo poo about his son, Joffrey (psychopath that he was) wouldn't have felt the need to have Bran killed Which wouldn't have put the dagger in Catelyn's hands Which wouldn't have led to her suspecting and kidnapping Tyrion Which wouldn't have led to the Lannisters declaring war on the Starks Which wouldn't have led to Ned's Death/Red Wedding/A Song of Ice and Fire The moral of the entire series should be: "Don't Be A poo poo Husband and Father."
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Alhazred posted:Catelyn thinks that Tyrion tried to kill Bran and captures him. This leads the Lannisters to start attack the Riverlands and Ned summons Tywin to answer for this. Realizing this would probably mean war between the Starks and the Lannisters Ned prepare to leave King's Landing, Sansa refuses and mentions Joffrey's blonde hair. So it's Bran's fault for climbing the Broken Tower and making Jaime throw him off. Which is Cat's fault for not being strict enough with him. Which is Hoster Tully's fault because... Littlefinger is the one who made Catelyn think Tyrion did it, and the one who betrayed Ned, and the one who planned the assassination of Ned's predecessor, and all the other poo poo he did. If you want to blame the war on one individual, Littlefinger is the only one who makes sense. the jizz taxi posted:Oh, my rant wasn't aimed at you personally, I know you didn't actually dismiss it, it was just the right hook for me to come at this quote No worries, it was a good post. Gurm was a really baller author. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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If Cat had just married Littlefinger Bran wouldn't exist and Littlefinger would have been content. Cat is the true antagonist of the series.
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Ashcans posted:Is that true? I would love to hear/read more about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
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MrSlam posted:If Robert had given the slightest poo poo about his son, Joffrey (psychopath that he was) wouldn't have felt the need to have Bran killed Robert wasn't Joffrey's father, and Joffrey had two poo poo parents. Book Cersei being undeniably the worse of the two.
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Blind Melon posted:Robert wasn't Joffrey's father  the entire Seven Kingdoms with the exception of Jaime, Cersei, and maybe Varys and Littlefinger were unaware of this fact
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RCarr posted:If Cat had just married Littlefinger Bran wouldn't exist and Littlefinger would have been content. Cat is the true antagonist of the series. Or, easier still, just let Brandon kill the fucker.
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Ashcans posted:Is that true? I would love to hear/read more about this. It's a dumb theory based on Jar Jar having yellow eyes (though every Gungan has the same eyes) and some way to hard watching of Phantom Menace.
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^^^: I am disappointed there is no confirmation of it though, because while JarJar would still be dumb there at least might be a reason for him being there.MrSlam posted:
When you think about it, Joffrey had two dads right there (his biological and his assumed) and both of them were total poo poo at doing anything to raise him.
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"youre right... that does make sense" ~ D&D
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zVxTeflon posted:"youre right... that does make sense" ~ D&D This year, Jar-Jar Bings is a writer on the show.
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Kajeesus posted:So it's Bran's fault for climbing the Broken Tower and making Jaime throw him off. Which is Cat's fault for not being strict enough with him. Which is Hoster Tully's fault because... You are basically saying that the war can't be blamed on Jamie because no one figured out that he did the thing that started the whole thing. A Lannister tries to kill Bran, another Lannister tries to kill Bran, the Starks realize someone is trying to kill Bran, and a Lannister takes the blame for it. It's not like Littlefinger is manufacturing the Stark-Lannister conflict. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Although it really does go to show just how much Starks are fuckups, Cat had a 2/3rd chance to get the right Lannister and she still managed to gently caress it up.
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Ashcans posted:^^^: I am disappointed there is no confirmation of it though, because while JarJar would still be dumb there at least might be a reason for him being there. I'm at work and can't watch it right now, but I've seen the theory and evidence before, and I really wish that's what they ended up going with.There's a lot of compelling stuff there - I agreed that, without further context, we would probably think that someone doing that huge leap into a double backflip into the water was a Jedi. Really though, I think it was just Lucas writing a slapstick character and throwing in "goofy" stuff like Jar Jar accidentally shooting all those troopers with a gun stuck to his foot to try to make kids laugh. He is too much of a hack to have written something that subtle.
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Darth Jar Jar is literally the only thing that could have made those movies even worse.
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You have obviously never seen a wookie celebrate Life Day. e: The entire thing is proof that anything has a chance of being greenlit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX0x-I06Fpc Narmi fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Pedro De Heredia posted:You are basically saying that the war can't be blamed on Jamie because no one figured out that he did the thing that started the whole thing. No, I'm saying the war can't be blamed on Jaime because Bran falling isn't the thing that started the whole thing. If we're talking single events, the assassinations of Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon were kiiinda more important.
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How did the assassin who tried to kill Brann get to Winterfell when Starks/Reeds were still in control of Moat Cailin at the time?
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waitwhatno posted:Darth Jar Jar is literally the only thing that could have made those movies even worse. I don't know, he could drop the act, fix his posture and put on a sinister British voice it could have been interesting at least. Hell, use Christopher Lees voice on JarJar after the reveal. kinda like how this deleted scene would have been good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmmUa_r-oo Apart from Pycelle punching a few little birds as he went out you had no idea he was faking his frailty and playing the game of thrones himself, and it's a shame.
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A sequence of events that began when Robert agreed to foster Sweetrobin at Casterly Rock under Tywin kicked off the war. I think Jon Arryn proposed it, so Lysa killed him to keep her kid and escape.
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Mujaji posted:Apart from Pycelle punching a few little birds as he went out you had no idea he was faking his frailty and playing the game of thrones himself, and its a shame. Err, there's a whole scene of him showing it's all an act as he just got done power loving Ros.
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Mujaji posted:Apart from Pycelle punching a few little birds as he went out you had no idea he was faking his frailty and playing the game of thrones himself, and it's a shame. There was a scene in his room where he does a few quick squats and stretches, then puts on the act and limps out into the Red Keep. E, f, b. 
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Littlefinger's asinine dagger story started the war. That got Kat to arrest Tyrion, which led Tywin to unleash the Mountain on the riverlands, etc. GRRM always says that Littlefinger can't be a viewpoint character because he knows too much. In the books that always seemed to make sense but in the show it never does, whatever his plan is feels arbitrary.
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nvm, missed that you had the same thing already Narmi fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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....he literally linked that in the very same post
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Taear posted:GRRM always says that Littlefinger can't be a viewpoint character because he knows too much. In the books that always seemed to make sense but in the show it never does, whatever his plan is feels arbitrary. Show Littlefinger makes no sense at this point. If his entire motivation is to rule Westeros with Sansa as his queen, why in the gently caress would he marry her off to Ramsay Bolton?
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