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Teddybear posted:Is it just speculation in this thread that they're white nationalists or is there a source out there with some sort of identifying info on them? It's 100% speculation arising from the announcement by the mayor or whatever that one of the suspects announced that "The end is coming" or said other similar fanatical religious stuff. Although if they were white nationalists, you'd think target the black lives matter protesters as well... so I'm not sure I buy that either.
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I'm watching a stream of Dallas' CBS local affiliate and they're interviewing the fake suspect and his brother. They're saying that the police interrogated them and accused them of being the shooters as well as lying and saying that the police had witnesses and video showing them as being the shooters. They feel like the police completely disrespected them after they tried to be as compliant and helpful as possible and turned themselves in. It's all pretty poignant.
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He was never a suspect. But good. EDIT: I take that back. That's not cool.
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Starsfan posted:It's 100% speculation arising from the announcement by the mayor or whatever that one of the suspects announced that "The end is coming" or said other similar fanatical religious stuff. White people do not have a monopoly on apocalyptic religious beliefs, even those of a Protestant Christian bent. 
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Starsfan posted:Although if they were white nationalists, you'd think target the black lives matter protesters as well... so I'm not sure I buy that either. If white supremacy was their thing, they'd potentially be targeting officers as race traitors because of their community approach. e: The camo guy, when the reporter first asked if he wanted to say something just let out the heaviest loving sigh ever before being like "I don't even know where to start" 
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FIRST TIME posted:They're saying that the police interrogated them and accused them of being the shooters as well as lying and saying that the police had witnesses and video showing them as being the shooters. They feel like the police completely disrespected them after they tried to be as compliant and helpful as possible and turned themselves in. Disgusting, really
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I'm not sure if it was discussed earlier or not (there were 800 posts between when I left work & when I got home oblivious anything had happened), but a known right wing douchebag pulled a gun at the BLM protest in Portland tonight. http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/hit-the-ground-trump-supporter-pulls-gun-on-black-lives-matter-rally-in-portland/ This is pretty lovely video showing it happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmMkOeOF_GE Here's video of him explaining "people were closing down on me" (or some poo poo) which is why he pulled his pistol. https://twitter.com/kariLOU88/status/751276081450143745 Of course they wouldn't have been "closing down on him" if he wasn't in the middle of the road in front of the March.
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I seriously read that as "Don't shoot." Which, to be honest, is something that these new stations should be saying as well.
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FIRST TIME posted:I'm watching a stream of Dallas' CBS local affiliate and they're interviewing the fake suspect and his brother. He was a suspect, they cleared him, he got released. Not sure what the police did wrong in this case.
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highme posted:I'm not sure if it was discussed earlier or not (there were 800 posts between when I left work & when I got home oblivious anything had happened), but a known right wing douchebag pulled a gun at the BLM protest in Portland tonight. No, it wasn't mentioned, though I heard that it happened. Thanks for the details.
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FIRST TIME posted:I'm watching a stream of Dallas' CBS local affiliate and they're interviewing the fake suspect and his brother. It's the old thing where the cops just say that to try and rattle the person and trick them into admitting their participation in the criminal enterprise. You know, just in case he actually was involved at some level. The police officer doing it probably knew 100% they were innocent. It's just some bullshit thing they do, following the interrogation manual for all guests of theirs.
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FIRST TIME posted:I'm watching a stream of Dallas' CBS local affiliate and they're interviewing the fake suspect and his brother. PDs in general tend to have a kind of paranoid mindset, and prior cop killings have been used in things like training seminars to ingrain recruits with the idea that they are always in danger and that they are the thin blue line and such and such. So this shooting is pretty much their most insane fever nightmare made real. They're not going to react well to it. Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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The militia movement has a weird relationship with white racism. There's a huge overlap, but then you get stuff like the debate in Oath Keepers about whether to support the police or the protesters in Ferguson. Overall, I'd say the militia movement is an ally of white supremacy, but I don't think it's impossible for militia group to view police as more of an enemy than black people. Of course this could just be like some Dorner thing too.
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GaussianCopula posted:He was a suspect, they cleared him, he got released. Not sure what the police did wrong in this case. It's the part where they claimed to have witnesses and video of him being a shooter.
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Starsfan posted:It's the old thing where the cops just say that to try and rattle the person and trick them into admitting their participation in the criminal enterprise. You know, just in case he actually was involved at some level. Yes, it's serious bullshit and it results in false confessions. How safe would he have been if there wasn't lots of footage of him up to the moment he was detained?
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WHOOPS posted:It's the part where they claimed to have witnesses and video of him being a shooter. Also where they stole his clothes and gun and then cuffed him again on the way out.
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Atrocious Joe posted:The militia movement has a weird relationship with white racism. There's a huge overlap, but then you get stuff like the debate in Oath Keepers about whether to support the police or the protesters in Ferguson. Overall, I'd say the militia movement is an ally of white supremacy, but I don't think it's impossible for militia group to view police as more of an enemy than black people. i'm always surprised to find out people legitimately think the militia-movement types are racist, i guarantee you're going to see the vast majority of them line up behind that dude who was shot in minnesota, probably along with the NRA, if the shooting really did happen as the girlfriend described it.
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SedanChair posted:Yes, it's serious bullshit and it results in false confessions. How safe would he have been if there wasn't lots of footage of him up to the moment he was detained? seriously, plus them pushing the picture out on social media, and after the dude did everything correctly
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LGD posted:White people do not have a monopoly on apocalyptic religious beliefs, even those of a Protestant Christian bent. No, but sadly a lot of them sort of want an Apocalypse Reagan promised because they're no longer being treated as the lords of creation.
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Starsfan posted:It's the old thing where the cops just say that to try and rattle the person and trick them into admitting their participation in the criminal enterprise. You know, just in case he actually was involved at some level. It's despicable and goes beyond some bullshit old thing they do to follow the manual, I'd say. It's stuff like this that makes people inherently angry, because it's wrong, the authority knows it's wrong but they continue to do it. It's so wrong that it likely rationalizes extreme behavior in the minds of people who are already on the brink of losing control. Mr. Meagles fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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WHOOPS posted:It's the part where they claimed to have witnesses and video of him being a shooter. You mean when they followed standard interrogation protocol while talking to a suspect? If they had held him for a prolonged period of time based on not existing evidence/testimony you might have something here.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:PDs in general tend to have a kind of paranoid mindset, and prior cop killings have been used in things like training seminars to ingrain recruits with the idea that they are always in danger and that they are the thin blue line and such and such. That Dinkheller video is loving chilling. If I thought that could be me I would be wildly trigger-happy. Then again I don't think I'm fit to be a police officer.
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e: ^^^ yeah that video is what I was speaking of.Starsfan posted:It's the old thing where the cops just say that to try and rattle the person and trick them into admitting their participation in the criminal enterprise. You know, just in case he actually was involved at some level. the manual varies; direct methods like that tend to be a "use with caution because it can backfire really badly" sorts of bits stuck on them. interrogation isn't always so adversarial, and going hard on suspects like that tends to be frowned on in guidebooks since A. you can get better results by being friendly and playing dumb to give room for suspects to spill their guts out, B. gets you to chase false leads for too long, and C. can cause otherwise cooperative people to clam up since you turned it into a battle of wills. the stress of the event, though, means that police are going to prefer harsher measures.
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semper wifi posted:i'm always surprised to find out people legitimately think the militia-movement types are racist, i guarantee you're going to see the vast majority of them line up behind that dude who was shot in minnesota, probably along with the NRA, if the shooting really did happen as the girlfriend described it. https://twitter.com/TooMuchMe/status/751076078458986496 hmmm, yes, definitely
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GaussianCopula posted:He was a suspect, they cleared him, he got released. Not sure what the police did wrong in this case. Telling someone you have evidence/witnesses against him when you don't in order to wring a confession is grossly unethical. Worse, it's bad conduct. Suppose one of them feels terrified/pressured and suddenly confesses to something he didn't do. Cops get a head to parade and look good, an innocent goes to jail...and an actual _killer_ potentially goes FREE. It could muck up further investigation ans your actual evidence doesn't fit the presented suspect/confessing parties. It's just a colossal shitstorm for any system that is not completely dysfunctional. Like, Baath-party-under-Saddam messed up.
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GaussianCopula posted:He was a suspect, they cleared him, he got released. Not sure what the police did wrong in this case. Well, for starters you dont threaten and harass innocent people.
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Crowsbeak posted:So is the NRA going to be campaigning for this law abiding citizen? the nra is a white supremacist organization see Lotka Volterra posted:https://twitter.com/TooMuchMe/status/751076078458986496
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semper wifi posted:why does this bad and wrong post still get posted? hasn't this been tested enough in the real world? was MISSION ACCOMPLISHED the last headline you saw? E1M1 posted:I agree: there is a logic in murder. These shooters, regardless of their ultimate identity, should be commended for their blow against the establishment If either of you idiots can pull up my post commending or approving of these people killing cops that'd go a long way to making these posts not look like the stupidest posts ever.
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Lotka Volterra posted:https://twitter.com/TooMuchMe/status/751076078458986496 the NRA is a large organization treading dangerous waters, no poo poo they're not going to say anything about it right now. remember mike brown? a day after his shooting everyone was 100% convinced hands up don't shoot was the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me god. they'd be stupid to take a stand so early when the only evidence either way is a video taken after the event by a distraught girlfriend.
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Karl Sharks posted:how (un)precedented is something like this? meaning cops as the targets and the current death toll? It's happened before in American history, but not for about 7 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood,_Washington_police_officer_shooting "On Sunday, November 29, 2009, four Lakewood, Washington police officers were murdered at the former Forza Coffee Co. coffee shop, which was located at 11401 Steele Street South in the Parkland unincorporated area of Pierce County, Washington. " "It is believed to be the most deadly attack on law enforcement in the state of Washington, and the deadliest attack on law enforcement in the United States since the March 21, 2009 shootings that left four Oakland, California police officers dead."
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