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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:Forums posters, more knowledgeable about government capabilities than Yaprak and Brison. Forums posters, more knowledgeable about the source of the government's payroll troubles than actual victims of the government's payroll troubles. My point is that Phoenix is only an aggravating factor at most. People have been having these issues dating back to last summer in some cases (my department only moved to Phoenix this May and was still having these issues last year), and Miramichi has been backlogged dealing with new or extraordinary pay requests since literally the day it opened. That is really the heart of this problem. If we had a functioning pay centre, Phoenix launch hiccups would be hiccups instead of sucking chest wounds.
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Dallan Invictus posted:Forums posters, more knowledgeable about the source of the government's payroll troubles than actual victims of the government's payroll troubles. Some delay and disturbance is inevitable in the establishment of any new process or system. If the problems were really as egregious as you say and Foote pushed ahead irrespective of the problems, then that's really on her.
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So how was life in Diane Finley's office
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Are you people still arguing about the government payroll system? A large organization did a major change to their IT and had a major fuckup they don't know how to fix. That's almost as shocking and unexpected as a country full of guns having a mass shooting.
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tetsul posted:Are you people still arguing about the government payroll system? A large organization did a major change to their IT and had a major fuckup they don't know how to fix. That's almost as shocking and unexpected as a country full of guns having a mass shooting. Nah our friend is just trying to hand wave away any culpability the Conservatives have in this fiasco.
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A Canadian Good Ole Boy posted:"I have read stories about how Somalia has a culture of resistance to authority. Such a culture would be quite different than the Canadian culture sees makes cutting ahead in a lineup as a great social error. The bigger question arising out of this is, how many people out there are racist enough to deny the job application but not dumb enough to explicitly spell out their reasons in an email.
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brucio posted:Nah our friend is just trying to correct the record on ]hand wave away any culpability the Conservatives have in this fiasco. Funny, that was reaction when the article was originally posted and the forum reflexively blamed the old guys rather than exercising critical thinking about Ministerial accountability on a project that's been in the hands of the new government for half a year. vyelkin posted:The bigger question arising out of this is, how many people out there are racist enough to deny the job application but not dumb enough to explicitly spell out their reasons in an email. Don't think about it as a racist email, think of it as a wealth transfer from the terminally stupid to people who are more deserving. Fluffy Chainsaw fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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I wonder how long the period of time was between dejection and the tiny fist pump that goes with getting free money?
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"Oh I'm sorry, person who helped develop synthetic MSRA-Combatting bacteria you are not qualified to work in the financial sector where we do massive lines of coke and lose people's money " Holy poo poo how goddamn dumb can people be
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MA-Horus posted:"Oh I'm sorry, person who helped develop synthetic MSRA-Combatting bacteria you are not qualified to work in the financial sector where we do massive lines of coke and lose people's money " The whole thIng borders on the surreal. Even putting aside for a second that rejecting a man because he is of Somali descent is about as egregious a violation of recruitment process as any of us are likely to see, the fact that someone in the finance and investments sector would make compliance with rules and regulations a primary condition of employment beggars belief. E: also, the Crown is appealing the sentences of David and Collet Stephan. David Corbett fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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David Corbett posted:The whole thIng borders on the surreal. Even putting aside for a second that rejecting a man because he is of Somali descent is about as egregious a violation of recruitment process as any of us are likely to see, the fact that someone in the finance and investments sector would make compliance with rules and regulations a primary condition of employment beggars belief. Didn't you read the article? It didn't cross her mind that the applicant was ethnically Somalian, she just included that anecdote for shits and giggles because she heard it on tv or something  That company is going to get reamed in the inevitable lawsuit.
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"If you matriculated through a different culture or education pathway, you may still have a shred of common decency or a functioning conscience and are therefore encouraged to look elsewhere from financial services."
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It appears that, through your education and volunteer work in the community, you have a soul. Unfortunately, this makes you fully unqualified for an entry level position in the financial sector. Also you black as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Warmest regards, Dick
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"My fetish is to be completely humiliated in court by a judge who tells me I'm an utter tool, and then cost my company a lot of money, ergo, about your blackness: it's bad!"
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PT6A posted:"My fetish is to be completely humiliated in court by a judge who tells me I'm an utter tool, and then cost my company a lot of money, ergo, about your blackness: it's bad!" Please don't kinkshame. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tony-clement-former-harper-minister-to-run-for-conservative-leader/article30823903/ This is too bad. I suppose he expects that as prime minister, he can replace the national anthem with a clash song and build gazebos for everybody.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:Please don't kinkshame. Will he resign his leadership and seat if he loses again?
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One of the more disappointing things about the last federal election was that the Conservatives didn't implode. They maintained a respectable share of the vote and don't appear to have tarnished their brand that much with regular Canadians. They have the same problem they've always had that only about 4 in ten voters really like them but that's enough. There were some intoxicating moments a year or two before the election when it was possible, if you squinted just right and employed some wishful thinking, to hope that the party would tear itself apart as soon as Harper lost (or even before) but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. So we'll be stuck with the same terrible old conservative party, minus a couple of the most egregiously unpopular Harper era policies, and that lovely Conservative party will continue to make dupes and morons think that the Liberals are therefore a "progressive" alternative. And as for the NDP, well, what is there left to say about those idiots?
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Helsing posted:One of the more disappointing things about the last federal election was that the Conservatives didn't implode. They maintained a respectable share of the vote and don't appear to have tarnished their brand that much with regular Canadians. They have the same problem they've always had that only about 4 in ten voters really like them but that's enough. Hope springs eternal that the NDP leadership contest will re-energize and focus the party but if Nicki Ashton is really the best they have then strategic voting is going to be the name of the game again.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:This is too bad. I suppose he expects that as prime minister, he can replace the national anthem with a clash song Which one? White Riot? Complete Control? Train in Vain? Should I Stay or Should I Go?
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The people making decisions in the NDP are worried about their jobs and want safe policy as a result. Therefore you can write them off as a garbage centre left part until that changes, which it wont.
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a primate posted:Hope springs eternal that the NDP leadership contest will re-energize and focus the party but if Nicki Ashton is really the best they have then strategic voting is going to be the name of the game again. The NDP doubled the entrance fee compared to the last leadership context (which itself was doubled from the contest before that). The problem is that virtually everyone in any position of power or influence now gained their position during the party's transition to the centre under Jack Layton. This is true not only of the MPs but also of many of their staffers. There's a substantial group of disorganized rank-and-file members who still express strong left leaning sentiments but those left wing sentiments have very little traction. The actual people who are running the NDP are part of the same political and journalistic class as the other major parties. They have the same degrees from the same schools. They are instinctive careerists. It happens to be their careerism runs through Unifor or the CFS rather than Bay Street, but the same mindset prevails. The party really needs to be shaken up in some kind of fundamental way and it needs to be willing to take some actual risks. But doing that would require a hard look at how the party went astray over the last ten or fifteen years. The thing is practically everyone in a position of power or influence got there in the last ten or fifteen years: a reassessment of the party's actions might cast their behavior in a bad light, so naturally they downplay the need for any substantive change. It doesn't help that the core of the NDP is doing fine even when the party isn't. Guys like Brad Lavigne and Brian Topp just seamlessly transition into the world of corporate consultancy and strategy -- the junior staffers mostly still get jobs on the Hill or in related work, etc. They are good little careerists and as a result they are risk averse and certainly aren't interested in taking political risks that would imperil their personal economic situation or make them look silly in front of their Liberal or Tory drinking buddies and work colleagues. Basically the problem here is with the politicians and journalists and business folks in general. The NDP, insofar as it has allowed the upper reaches of the party to merge and dissolve into this elite caste, is part of the problem. They're still theoretically a better option than the Liberals or Conservatives, but not by much.
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Helsing posted:One of the more disappointing things about the last federal election was that the Conservatives didn't implode. They maintained a respectable share of the vote and don't appear to have tarnished their brand that much with regular Canadians. They have the same problem they've always had that only about 4 in ten voters really like them but that's enough. I would argue that Conservatives are in an awful position currently. There's no one currently interested in leadership of the party that is at all inspring and the party is currently divided by some of the party realizing they have to progress on social issues and half the party still thinking they can get gay marriage banned again. Of course the NDP is in a similar position with leadership except some of the party wants to push left with the Leap Manifesto and half the party wants the status quo as idiot centerists. Anyways I hope everyone likes Justin Trudeau because barring any major scandals or collapse they are headed towards another majority.
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DariusLikewise posted:I would argue that Conservatives are in an awful position currently. There's no one currently interested in leadership of the party that is at all inspring and the party is currently divided by some of the party realizing they have to progress on social issues and half the party still thinking they can get gay marriage banned again. The Conservatives managed to win three elections in a row without giving much to the SocCons. I suspect they'll rally behind their next leader when the time comes. Remember that the Conservative vote-share remained basically stable. The Liberals won because of a surge of new voters and because the NDP collapsed in some key races. quote:Of course the NDP is in a similar position with leadership except some of the party wants to push left with the Leap Manifesto and half the party wants the status quo as idiot centerists. The LEAP Manifesto isn't a push to the left, it's a push for the NDP to abandon pragmatism (real pragmatism, not fake Tony Blair third way bullshit) or strategy so that they can tickle the guilt complex of moronic upper middle class professionals living in a handful of big cities. Stuff like the LEAP Manifesto is almost enough to make you think the careerists running the party have good reason to fear more grassroots involvement when the best left-wing document the grassroots could muster was some kind of weird, vague and divisive cant about how in the near future we'll exist in an economy based around "caring". I was honestly floored when I started reading Avi Lewis' statements about the LEAP Manifesto. The guy seems like exactly the kind of well-intentioned but clueless idiot that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near political power or influence. I mean, god forbid we have a social democratic party that actually appeals to regular people's economic interests or that taps into some of their resentment about our lovely elite and our crappy unfair economy. No no, we must assume the rest of the country has the same white-middle-class-guilt-complex as the dinner party attendees of some Deep Annex soiree. That's clearly the kind of rhetoric that will restore the party.
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I was actually hoping it would be the NDP that would fall apart rather than the conservatives last election.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:replace the national anthem with a clash song Cool and good, The Clash is a great band.
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Baronjutter posted:I was actually hoping it would be the NDP that would fall apart rather than the conservatives last election. Haven't they? Or can you only see it through a gendered lens
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Baronjutter posted:I was actually hoping it would be the NDP that would fall apart rather than the conservatives last election. http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/10856048 They are on track
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Ikantski posted:http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/10856048 Eat it. She was my MPP for a decade, she knows what she's doing.
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The Toronto Star has a headline right now that reads "What’s stopping the Dallas shootings from happening in Toronto?" ugghughuhghu
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infernal machines posted:Eat it. Something something NDP aligning with nutcases, we've done it to death.
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the trump tutelage posted:The Toronto Star has a headline right now that reads "What’s stopping the Dallas shootings from happening in Toronto?" ugghughuhghu Our gun laws, perhaps?
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Ikantski posted:Something something NDP aligning with nutcases, we've done it to death. This is amusing coming from someone supporting Patrick "sneaks underage girls into bars to get them blackout drunk" Brown.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Our gun laws, perhaps? A culture and history that isn't shoot first, think later? Really we could be here all day bouncing back and forth coming up with different reasons why that headline is stupid.
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tetsul posted:A culture and history that isn't shoot first, think later? The Toronto Star has a stupid headline, you say? How unexpected.
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Ikantski posted:Something something NDP aligning with nutcases, something something complete muahahaha
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Furnaceface posted:This is amusing coming from someone supporting Patrick "sneaks underage girls into bars to get them blackout drunk" Brown.  I think he voted NDP last round Also, that particular indiscretion has disappeared down the memory hole
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infernal machines posted:
I like Yakabuski provincially. If there is some supremely unlikely ONDP surge, I'd vote for them too, ABL. I like how the rumor turned from buying them drinks to sneaking them in and getting them blackout. One of you guys should just post the whole story.
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