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Moltrey posted:they were not wrong well yeah i just like how it feels like most of Morioh's unnamed citizens are just kinda angry jerks or just really indifferent to people around them the spirit of Morioh, where senile old men are fleeced out of their money because baby products confuse them
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:Don't make me go google that obsessed guy's Teru copypaste story and post it here in full Post it I wanna see it
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Momomo posted:I'm kind of disappointed that the op doesn't have Josuke reaching out to Bowie Kira. I know it makes more sense this way but he'll always be "The" Kira to me. That totally is Bowie Kira though, he has blonde hair.
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Jul 9, 2016 00:57
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Baal posted:Post it I wanna see it  I still would argue that Terunosuke does not and should not receive the same punishment as that Angelo, they just don't belong the same bracket to have his life-long to potentially eternal prison justified. The "Koichi" he threw out was proven to be a dummy, as after Josuke was captured he immediately stepped on the piece of paper to destroy it, in an attempt to recover his ego from the shock Josuke delivered to him through his last speech. He didn't openly attack Yuuya, he simply presented him a challenge which both parties knew it involves countless layers of deadily traps, Yuuya accepted it even when knowing the risk. That was no foul, it was just a stand fight and totally justifiable. Also he captured Josuke's mother without any intention to harm her in the slightest, and only using her to serve as a stepping stone to bring out Josuke's fear quicker in the most efficient manner in terms of both time and casualty (as he would otherwise need to capture literally everyone other than Josuke's mum to really give him a mental punch). I like to compare this guy to Rohan and say that not only they possess the same personality, they also had wronged Josuke in a mirrored fashion. Yet their treatments vary vast in difference for whatever reason. Rohan also showed no interest with the general moral of life as he viewed people nothing more than "materials". Rohan also acted like an egoist arsehole (still is but not as much), is artistic by nature and is very obssessed with what he likes inside people which is their experiences. Rohan, like Terunosuke both possess incredibly dangerous stand abilities that involves controlling people as they are both control freaks to different degrees, and both showed no signs of self control when first introduced. Rohan also captured someone who Josuke holds dear as hostages, being Koichi and later, Okuyasu. Rohan also used hostages as part of his combat tatics, conditioning Josuke during the encounter. Rohan also harmed the hostages in a few ways, brainwashing and nearly killing Koichi by tearing his pages out for self interests, as well as setting Okuyasu on self immolation. Rohan also went out of his way to make Josuke mad when he was sure of his victory, like Terunosuke which in this case, by insulting his hairstyle multiple times. Yet with all that, all Rohan got in return was a beat up so bad he had to change his weekly release schedule into monthly while he was hospitalised, which was nothing too major. In contrast, this guy got the "book prison", it just doesn't seem to be right, or anywhere close to it. As cocky, apathetic and obssessive this guy may be, by analysing his abilities we would know he does not go out of his way to harm others unnecessarily as his ability is very conditional to himself while it possesses no actual combat strength and when he does, he lets them go just as easy as opening a piece of folded paper. He sought to minimise the amount of people involved in his obssession trip and although he could also kill his captive as easy as ripping paper into pieces, he only reserves that as the last resort. He had been overboard just like how he really screwed over that taxi driver hard, but he had realised it by the end. As obssessive he may be I have no doubt that after a solid beat down he would learn "constraint" properly just like almost all antagonists who had wronged Josuke in the past, especially Rohan. Yet he was given 0 space to redeem himself and was sent straight to capital punishment. Unlike Rohan who had done exactly the same things to Josuke yet didn't get him riled up as badly, all because one of the people that got involved was Josuke's mum. Josuke is just too much of a mama's boy I swear. Sure I would be really pissed too if someone were to drag her into a fight, but a comeback like that? I just don't think so, I don't think Josuke would really go that far as a character even if he was not actually in his right mind at that time either, as he barely did that much to Rohan previously. Terunosuke could have been an interesting side character for later story development, dunno why Araki just hates him so much he had to practically torture him to the end of time, while making a joke out of it. 
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alcharagia posted:That totally is Bowie Kira though, he has blonde hair. Man, that looks a lot like Kira 2.0 to me. Might be the Killer Queen eyes fuckin' me up. Also on rewatch I really like the juxtaposition between Bizarre Town and Chase. Bizarre Town was all "look at these kids having fun in this weird place, look at all these silly personalities dancing around, yay!", and Chase takes that and for the first half basically establishes "...yeah and now there's something legit evil lurking about and it's gonna gently caress everything up", and then there's the "chase" per se.
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alcharagia posted:That totally is Bowie Kira though, he has blonde hair. It's slicked back just like Kosaku though, I really don't think that's meant to be Bowie.
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Jul 9, 2016 01:12
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Jul 9, 2016 01:13
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Baal posted:Iirc Kira doesn't get a proper introduction until after Harvest which ain't gonna be for like... three or four more weeks give or take any potential two parts they could pull out of Rohan's Adventure or Harvest, but Rohan's adventure will give him a proper mentioning for the first time and that'll be in two weeks.  Not quite a proper introduction, but a bit more than a mention before Harvest.
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Momomo posted:It's slicked back just like Kosaku though, I really don't think that's meant to be Bowie. It would also make sense in the sequence of events for it to be Shin Kira. Shigechi gets wrecked, find out about Kira, poo poo happens, Cinderella, start chasing after the unknown Kira.
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Jul 9, 2016 01:15
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:You owe me a video on how to play Young Joseph. That's the last vid I'm making for HftF, lmao
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Josuke Higashikata posted:
Did you consider: 1: Koichi is narrating and he says it himself that he's unreliable on it 2: That the observer whose account he's narrating from was near dead from fever
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Jul 9, 2016 01:22
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Jul 9, 2016 01:24
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It's okay and actually probably intended to think that time travel bullshit is involved when you first read the chapter, but if you finish part 4 and you still think it's a plot hole of some kind then get the gently caress outta here.
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Hogama posted:
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:It's okay and actually probably intended to think that time travel bullshit is involved when you first read the chapter, but if you finish part 4 and you still think it's a plot hole of some kind then get the gently caress outta here. It probably does work better as the anonymous person and I don't have much of a horse in the race either way but goddamn if some people in the thread aren't getting a little worked up over it
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Jul 9, 2016 01:27
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Jul 9, 2016 02:16
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Maybe Araki just didn't want to model a whole other character who was only going to show up once and have two lines and look kind of like Josuke anyway.
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Fat_Cow posted:
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Absolutely not
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did crazy diamond look as pissed off in the manga as he did in this episode? cause it looked like crazy diamond wanted to rip rohan's arms off and beat him to death with them
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Fat_Cow posted:
I dislike Joshuu while finding him extremely entertaining in a way that makes me enjoy seeing him on the page/joking about him. But no Joshuu is a really, really bad person and I don't know how far in you are but he does something really hosed up! Were it not for the hosed up thing I'd be more willing to play along with him as the lovely stepbrother-kinda-guy who is accidentally endearing. Alejandro Sanchez posted:It's okay and actually probably intended to think that time travel bullshit is involved when you first read the chapter, but if you finish part 4 and you still think it's a plot hole of some kind then get the gently caress outta here. Yeah I think that's fair. What was gonna type earlier was basically covered thoroughly: I think a lot of people read through this stuff quickly or just watch the anime knowing it's representative of a whole and don't really stop to think about the fact that it was not just, you know, put into the world as a whole piece. Stories develop organically; expecting Araki to have a concrete idea throughout is a stretch. Especially as far as comics are concerned, it seems like a kind of fruitless endeavor to get mad about the idea that some things just happen and maybe don't tie together neatly with a bow in the end. That hasn't happened thus far with JoJo and clearly isn't gonna happen anytime soon, which is partly what makes reading JoJolion fun. Writing stuff that's episodic means you're often just playing with ideas as you go to see what works; you'd be surprised how often you intend to steer towards one thing only to start writing something else and realize oh poo poo, nevermind, this works way better. That Josuke's savior is an utterly random guy who stops everything while injured himself to help strangers he doesn't know and will never see again is vital for Josuke's character, given the fact that he's willing to be selfless when it counts even if he is a normal teenage boy in every other respect. Maybe Araki really did intend to do something with it (we've talked about potential other endings for DIU in here before) but he ultimately didn't, either because he forgot it (so it wasn't nearly as significant to him) or because he just didn't feel like it was more important than the other direction the end was taking, so it can stand alone symbolically in that way without an issue, really. Okay I'll shut up about it now because obviously people wanna move on, I just have bad luck when it comes to always being at work/blocked from SA whenever there's a hot topic 
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Condiv posted:did crazy diamond look as pissed off in the manga as he did in this episode? cause it looked like crazy diamond wanted to rip rohan's arms off and beat him to death with them Yeah Crazy Diamond was ready to bust Rohan's skull to pieces from the word "Your hair sucks"  
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i don't think that having the stranger be all beat up does the scene any favors, because it kind of brings up a lot of weird questions. i hate the whole time travel theory in general but i feel the situation would be more cut and dry if some random dude was just out in the blizzard for whatever reason while trying to keep warm and wasn't randomly scraped up. it'd cut off a lot of the weird theorizing if the guy was mostly portrayed as just walking along and trying to draw his coat around himself to hold in heat but saw tomoko in trouble and sacrificed his own personal safety to help her get her car moving, but as it exists we have this weird scenario where apparently some guy was jumped while out in a blizzard and he happened to walk right up on the car out of nowhere as a disclaimer i haven't read the anime thread yet, but i can only imagine the kind of discussion happening given that davidpro's strict adherence to the manga is really only fueling the fire
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Johnny Joestar posted:i don't think that having the stranger be all beat up does the scene any favors, because it kind of brings up a lot of weird questions. i hate the whole time travel theory in general but i feel the situation would be more cut and dry if some random dude was just out in the blizzard for whatever reason while trying to keep warm and wasn't randomly scraped up. it'd cut off a lot of the weird theorizing if the guy was mostly portrayed as just walking along and trying to draw his coat around himself to hold in heat but saw tomoko in trouble and sacrificed his own personal safety to help her get her car moving, but as it exists we have this weird scenario where apparently some guy was jumped while out in a blizzard and he happened to walk right up on the car out of nowhere Yeah, his wounds suggest there's a story there, and given it's a story we never get to see, looking back they're probably a mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if Araki did that to leave the door open to developing him into a character or doing an arc with him in the present, but decided it was best to leave him as is.
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I honestly just thought he was beat up because his appearance suggested he was a stereotypical Japanese high school punk and just showed up after having a fight with some dudes and him helping her was meant to curb that expectation and show he was just a good person.
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the first appearance of anasui doesn't even say anything and just stands there, if i remember right, so voice actors wouldn't even be a complicated thing. especially given that i really doubt davidpro would go so far as to include such a huge and glaring change like that since that's less 'changing iggy since it's goofy and sorta makes sense' and more 'wait why the gently caress did this character's design literally radically change entirely'Baal posted:I honestly just thought he was beat up because his appearance suggested he was a stereotypical Japanese high school punk and just showed up after having a fight with some dudes and him helping her was meant to curb that expectation and show he was just a good person. it could totally be read that way and i'm a fan of it for sure, but since the damage looks vaguely fresh it kind of leaves things a little weirdly open with how things are framed given that we have nothing else to go with as far as it's concerned. if he had a couple of healed-over scars to show that on the outside he's portrayed as a tough dude i think it would have put that thought across better and still kept the idea intact
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Maybe he walked right into a telephone pole and fell down a snow bank onto some rocks. It was Morioh's worst blizzard in 18 years, visibility must have been poo poo
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Johnny Joestar posted:i don't think that having the stranger be all beat up does the scene any favors, because it kind of brings up a lot of weird questions. i hate the whole time travel theory in general but i feel the situation would be more cut and dry if some random dude was just out in the blizzard for whatever reason while trying to keep warm and wasn't randomly scraped up. it'd cut off a lot of the weird theorizing if the guy was mostly portrayed as just walking along and trying to draw his coat around himself to hold in heat but saw tomoko in trouble and sacrificed his own personal safety to help her get her car moving, but as it exists we have this weird scenario where apparently some guy was jumped while out in a blizzard and he happened to walk right up on the car out of nowhere The series has forever been contrived bullshit from the word go so it's the kinda thing you just have to live with. Oh, of course would Jonathan punch Dio and fling blood around that would just so happn to conveniently splatter on the stone mask, mmhm, sure. Oh wow, really, the Crusaders just keep stumbling across every one of DIO's henchman/women when they go to hotels, inns, ferries, etc, no matter what huh? Anyway, I haven't gone and read beyond part 5 yet but can someone explain the stands of: 1) D4C and what's the deal with the dice? 2) Tusk, and that thing with the bright yellow wall that pops up if that's canon? Same thing happens when Gyro does his thing too. 3) The hell's going on with Pucci riding a broken window frame or whatever up to a plane. Cuz I saw these cool videos and aside from them, everyone's stand attacks were pretty straightforward and easy to understand since I've finished part 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNGwEfhB2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvrDClSRVGI
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New op is pretty generic but that's ok, not bad, just kinda meh. IMO. I really like the end bit tho with Kira turning and the zoom-in on killer queen's eye. That's a real good part.
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You gotta read SBR because it's awesome but D4C brings things from parallel universes and when identical things from the universes meet they destroy each other, as long as it's not related to Valentine. The dice are menger sponges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menger_sponge The bright yellow wall is D4C Love Train and things that hit it are sent away through to wall. Only beneficial things can breach it so if he gets shot, it goes through the wall and hits a poor sucker in the neck on the other side of the wall. Tusk uses the infinite rotation to break through D4C Love Train and gently caress Valentine up.
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Moltrey posted:I'm glad David Prod has led up to Kira but also I wish they hadnt cause I wanna see people get whiplash when halfway through they drop this dude escorting a severed hand out of a car and don't instantly go back to it. I hope they don't make a big deal of him almost hitting koichi with his car, just show a brief shot of him looking annoyed before driving off like any other rando Morioh resident, end episode Then after the credits, a brief scene from his perspective, driving to his house, switches to showing his face once he steps out of the car, bam, episode ends on him revealing the severed hand
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RareAcumen posted:Anyway, I haven't gone and read beyond part 5 yet but can someone explain the stands of: 1) D4C and what's the deal with the dice? 2) Tusk, and that thing with the bright yellow wall that pops up if that's canon? Same thing happens when Gyro does his thing too. Sure, why not. 「 Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap」 is capable of traveling to other dimensions whenever President Valentine goes 「 between」 things. It can be literally anything, one time he traveled using a train that was running him over. This allows Valentine to transfer D4C along with all his memories to another Valentine. There is only one D4C in the multiverse, just like there's only one Jesus. Whenever someone comes into contact with their doppelganger from another dimension they turn into menger sponges and obliterate each other because it looks cool. Tusk act 4 and Gyro's natural stand 「 Ball Breaker」 (yes really) have the ability to cross dimensional barriers and actually damage Valentine after he comes under the protection of 「 Love Train」, a stand effect that is generated when Lucy Steel absorbs all the parts of Jesus' corpse, turns into a robot, and spontaneously generates his head in her womb. SBR is loving wild. Anyway, Love Train protects Valentine from all harm by redirecting it at other people around the world randomly. The only way to counteract this is to use the perfect form of 「 spin」and the 「 golden ratio」 by riding a horse perfectly. Johnny finally masters this technique and is able to evolve Tusk to it's final form, and kill Valentine once and for all in a way that even D4C can't get him out of. I'm not even going to try to explain anything about the ending of Stone Ocean. e: I mixed up Ticket to Ride and Love Train. I'm a terrible jojo fan 
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The pucci stuff is pretty easy to explain tho compared to some of the other stuff that happens in the series. Dio left behind some steps to follow to obtain the ultimate stand power so that you can end the world in 2012. The final instruction was to be at a specific place and time so that you can pass through some specific coordinates. Pucci is using his stand's control of gravity to float up to the coordinates so he can reach them faster than if he just waited for the earth to take him there normally. Begemot posted:e: I mixed up Ticket to Ride and Love Train. I'm a terrible jojo fan I think they're the same thing, it's just that Ticket to Ride is Lucy's stand and Valentine taking control of her stand is D4C Love Train
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RareAcumen posted:3) The hell's going on with Pucci riding a broken window frame or whatever up to a plane. One of Pucci's stands lets him manipulate gravity, so he zero-g floats up to a specific coordinate at a specific time for a specific reason. Begemot posted:I'm not even going to try to explain anything about the ending of Stone Ocean. Stone Ocean's easy-peasy compared to SBR, imo (maybe don't read if you haven't finished it obviously )Pucci meets DIO one day at church, who says "hey isn't it totally crazy we met like this? you're pretty cool, if you believe in [ ｇｒａｖｉｔｙ ] then come and give me a call later  " Then Pucci finds out his little sister is unknowingly dating their long-lost brother, and ends up loving things up tremendously, oops! Then he goes to Egypt to hang out with DIO and learns about DIO's ideas on heaven blah blah blah DIO gets punched to death by Jotaro shortly afterwards. He left a journal containing directions on how to get to [ Ｈｅａｖｅｎ ] but Jotaro punched that to death too.Stone Ocean happens as Pucci tries to steal Jotaro's memories of reading the journal and then tries to follow DIO's weirdo plan. Pucci's end goal is revealed to be this: speed up time so hard that this iteration of the universe basically repeats itself. Everyone (except the Stone Ocean gang who died while Made in Heaven was pressing on the accelerator) will relive their entire lives, but with a vague sensation that it's all happened before. Pucci's reasoning is that this foreknowledge will give people the ability to face their lives with [ ｒｅｓｏｌｖｅ ] even if their lives were actually really lovely, resolution begets happiness, etc. But Emporio kills Pucci before the universe finishes the loop, so the entire thing is called off and Emporio finds himself in a universe (timeline?) that's kinda like his own but not at all. This may or may not be the universe SBR takes place in, depending on what Araki Says. standard owl fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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