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White Coke
May 29, 2015
One of the problems with mission 14 is that the Viscount is scheduled to be interrogated at night, so if you deploy at night-time it screws up the interrogator's schedule.

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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

White Coke posted:

One of the problems with mission 14 is that the Viscount is scheduled to be interrogated at night, so if you deploy at night-time it screws up the interrogator's schedule.

As far as I can tell, that doesn't effect it too much. I'm not sure exactly when the trigger is, but when the interrogator and interpreter get to a certain point (after interrogating the lady and the dude together, and before they reach the house they interrogate the viscount at), the guard next to the viscount will give him a kick and escort him veeeeeery slooooowly to the interrogation spot.

Other fun ways this mission likes to break: Sometimes the guy escorting the viscount will bring him to the place, and then the viscount just flops over in the doorway and the interogation crew stands there forever waiting for the viscount to reach them. Another time, the guard just never escort the viscount ever. I stood nearby vaping for three days without that guy even going to take a piss. I'm honestly still not 100% sure how I hosed up this mission, it looks like the duo hung out in the nearby house with the intel, never actually bothered to interrogate anyone, then the guards executed the prisoners because whatever.

I hate Lingua Franca

pick-e
Aug 10, 2014
So... what the heck kind of asspull did I just witness with the Paz stuff in this episode? I'm just like, zuh? And how/why is there an invisible box?

"some cats are ok" better than disliking them all. Embrace the kittys.

By the way just how do you go about picking which of the hundreds of weapons/items you want to bring with you? Especially the guns, many of them all seem the same? Been wondering this throughout Peace Walker and now here. Come to think of it, I also felt overwhelmed by the amount of weapns MGS4 had. I'd be scrolling through the lists and my mind would just shutoff. :downs:

Captain Bravo posted:

Oh, I guess Dan just doesn't know about this, then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMmekhq-dVc

Edit: Here's some more information, as well.

http://www.gamezone.com/news/here-is-how-to-use-the-new-usb-music-feature-on-playstation-4-update-2-0

Double Edit: Maybe "doesn't know about this" is a bit too harsh. Technically, yes, it's not the same "custom track" feature as is on the PC version, but it's a simple and easy way to play the songs you want while playing any game on the PS4. If you turn down the game's soundtrack but leave the SFX up it works seamlessly. It just doesn't start/stop in context, like when you get in or out of the helicopter, you have to manually start and stop the music.
Ah yeah that's what I was thinking of. Works the same way it did on PS3, although on there only a handful of games allowed it. There may yet be hope for a wacky musical episode.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

pick-e posted:

And how/why is there an invisible box?
Because the door to her room actually just leads outside.

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

Forgall posted:

Because the door to her room actually just leads outside.

Yeah. The MSF soldiers even talk about how the Boss is just walking into this area that's under construction for no apparent reason. In fact, the dialogue from the MSF soldiers is probably the most reliable source of actual true facts in the game early on.

White Coke
May 29, 2015

Danaru posted:

As far as I can tell, that doesn't effect it too much. I'm not sure exactly when the trigger is, but when the interrogator and interpreter get to a certain point (after interrogating the lady and the dude together, and before they reach the house they interrogate the viscount at), the guard next to the viscount will give him a kick and escort him veeeeeery slooooowly to the interrogation spot.
Yeah, it sucks when that happens.

Danaru posted:

Other fun ways this mission likes to break: Sometimes the guy escorting the viscount will bring him to the place, and then the viscount just flops over in the doorway and the interogation crew stands there forever waiting for the viscount to reach them. Another time, the guard just never escort the viscount ever. I stood nearby vaping for three days without that guy even going to take a piss. I'm honestly still not 100% sure how I hosed up this mission, it looks like the duo hung out in the nearby house with the intel, never actually bothered to interrogate anyone, then the guards executed the prisoners because whatever.
If you're too close to the viscount he might think you're going to rescue him and do that flop animation to get ready for rescue, which screws with the interrogation.

Danaru posted:

I hate Lingua Franca
Everyone does.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 11 - You Can't Do That

Sometimes DD's dog AI is a little too accurate, in that dogs like to stand exactly where you don't want them to stand. Also apparently his eyepatch says "KONGOU Military Supply Co., Ltd. - High Performance Dog Gear - GREAT HOWL Series."

Just a reminder, we're on Arcade Pit tonight and streaming MGSV tomorrow! I'll probably post here as a reminder for both before we start because it's my thread and I do what I want

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Danaru posted:

As far as I can tell, that doesn't effect it too much. I'm not sure exactly when the trigger is, but when the interrogator and interpreter get to a certain point (after interrogating the lady and the dude together, and before they reach the house they interrogate the viscount at), the guard next to the viscount will give him a kick and escort him veeeeeery slooooowly to the interrogation spot.

Other fun ways this mission likes to break: Sometimes the guy escorting the viscount will bring him to the place, and then the viscount just flops over in the doorway and the interogation crew stands there forever waiting for the viscount to reach them. Another time, the guard just never escort the viscount ever. I stood nearby vaping for three days without that guy even going to take a piss. I'm honestly still not 100% sure how I hosed up this mission, it looks like the duo hung out in the nearby house with the intel, never actually bothered to interrogate anyone, then the guards executed the prisoners because whatever.

I hate Lingua Franca

If the Viscount just flops over, back away to like 200m then close again to 50 and it'll continue. Weird bug but not unrecoverable.

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

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Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!
Also, as an aside, Africa is full of things you can do with C4 that are absolutely amazing. For instance, my fastest clear time for a certain mission involving a truck involves putting two full packs of C4 in a clump (not directly on top of each other, though, but within less than a foot of each other) about 2 meters northwest of the truck, waiting for the twist of the mission, then hitting the detonator. BAM. Problem solved. You can also use pre-placed C4 and a grenade/rocket launcher to take out the walker gear barricade before it even becomes a problem.

EDIT: I FORGOT ONE MORE THING RE: DOG SKINS. There was going to be two more costumes available for D-Dog: Miller and Ocelot. The descriptions that still exist in-game mention that this is "the next best thing" to having the respective person follow you into the field.

Unknown Quantity fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 11, 2016

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
https://twitter.com/SmiteSA/status/752295225100529664?s=09

Pyroi
Aug 17, 2013

gay elf noises
Spoilers: Dan is bad at video games, Grace is good.

Grace
Dec 18, 2015

C'MON SOMETHING AWFUL LETS GET SICK'NIIIIIING
sorry for the stream delay tonight folks, it'll probably be closer to 830 AST. No one in my family cooked any dinner so now I have to go pick UP dinner.

Dan will probably post to tell you when we're live though

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
STARTING FOR REAL SOON GET IN HERE

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 12 - The Legendary Gunsmith

Wuff

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


pick-e posted:

I don't think I've ever played an open world game yet so these issues are all new to me, for better or worse? :confused:

Fair enough, I'll explain so I won't sound like an rear end.
Open world games live on the idea that there is a wide map you have free reign over. You can move and explore as much as you please, without being constrained by any requirements (or at least, that's the ideal). Here's the problem: You need to fill that poo poo with stuff.
Let's take Skyrim for our case study. Skyrim is a fantastic example of an open world game (whether folks admit it or not), it's filled with dungeons, most of which are accessible at any point in the game, it has varying climates to keep things interesting. You have a bunch of different subplots you can ferret out by yourself (Labirynthian, the foresworn sacrifice grounds, the Dragon Priests and so on). The game also offers character variety but in quantity-over-quality sense. You have a lot of characters with various degrees of plot importance and personality and the hope is that eventually one of them will stick with you somehow. Skyrim also has a pretty consistent thematic narrative to it, you play as a heroic dragonslayer and the game revolves around your legend. There's not a lot of complex themes to be explored here, but the story is consistent with making you feel like a legend in the making so you don't mind.

Watch_Dogs is a game that tried to have quality over quantity, but as anyone who played it can tell you, the plot was a badly-stitched Frankenstein monster of sub-plots. The characterization was inconsistent and the themes of surveillance and internet availability are not really explored. You are ostensibly a good guy, but you put innocent people in harm's way for little reason. It doesn't help that the MC's personality is that of a dried vegetable at best and creepy at worst, in contrast to the characterization of side characters. The side missions are all the same, in contrast to Skyrim, with nothing to differentiate them. There are a few interesting ideas that come up, such as the main evil company using subliminal messages and how it affects the populace, but they rarely come up (Namely the company broadcast the Fibbonaci sequence and this comes up in one of the villains muttering to himself "1,2,3,5...1,2,3,5..." and a side quest serial killer marking his victims with the same sequence). The inconsistent tone of the story and the bipolar characterization is usually a sign of a trouble development, rewrites and executive meddling. W_D was supposed to be the hot new IP, and while it sold gang-busters, its tepid presentation and forced promotion basically poisoned its reputation. Too late to affect sales, but enough to cause fast price drops.
And I say this as a person who defends this game from dumb criticism, such as "YOU CAN BUY THE GRENADE LAUNCHER BY THE FIRST LEVEL!!!11!" which is heard on these forums. Wow. It's almost like it's a video game where you can grind cash to get yourself an early game advantage or something.

MGSPP has the problem with the open world not really being able to present the themes Kojima is trying to talk about. When a player can be waylaid by a soldier garrison to find diamonds, it becomes difficult to discuss how missing limbs are related to Moby Dick are related to a mercenary corporation's war against Cipher which will ultimately be futile. Couple that with Konami's meddling and voice actor budget constraints and here we are.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug
You can finally swap in better silencers onto your nonlethal weapons! Except when you cant.

God damnit, work with me here rubber bullets. I do not want to have to put an entire cargo container's worth of petroleum into you for a not poo poo silencer.

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

Section Z posted:

You can finally swap in better silencers onto your nonlethal weapons! Except when you cant.

God damnit, work with me here rubber bullets. I do not want to have to put an entire cargo container's worth of petroleum into you for a not poo poo silencer.

In the end, the nonlethal arm upgrades cost less and are way more effective than the rubber bullet guns. Except for the revolver/shotgun, both of which are the only bullet-based means to put down dudes in full armor suits. Which start popping up all the time if there's a tank/vehicle unit. Or in the mission dan did with the walker gears.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Unknown Quantity posted:

In the end, the nonlethal arm upgrades cost less and are way more effective than the rubber bullet guns. Except for the revolver/shotgun, both of which are the only bullet-based means to put down dudes in full armor suits. Which start popping up all the time if there's a tank/vehicle unit. Or in the mission dan did with the walker gears.

While lethal, I was so very, very glad when someone told me the "Overpressure" upgrades for the revolvers also ignored riot suits and their helmets. Their overall firepower also means you can put them down with some quick bodyshots, unlike the silencer capable semi auto AP guns where they are often not just alive, but still standing when I unload an entire mag/clip/thing full of bullets into their gut. So their only downside is you can't silence them.

I wish the slug ammo shotguns did anything to riot armors though :sigh: I just loving adore the slug pump actions, because they will absolutely gently caress up anything else on one shot. Even if you shoot a dude right in his vest, even if you shoot a dude in the foot. It will even gently caress up coms dishes in one shot when in their proper range (As opposed to wasting most of a silencer on an AR, if you want to be quiet about it).

Airfoils are cool, and you can even silence the pump version... But I always feel like a dumbass when I cant break a radio with airfoils. Or things get finicky with a helmet+vest dude and 2-3 to the chin somehow counts as hitting his helmet that won't fly off his head because nonlethal (Or whatever reason helmet grunts can tank 3 airfoils without losing their helmet with my luck).

Overpressure revolvers have become my sidearm of choice when not bringing a dart pistol. I do like me some rubber Uzi when going on an teenage soldier shooting spree, though.

Section Z fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jul 14, 2016

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Plants still need nutrients so I guess Quiet just slathers food on herself when nobody's looking

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

SSNeoman posted:

Plants still need nutrients so I guess Quiet just slathers food on herself when nobody's looking

They hook up some Diamond Dog's sports drink to her shower pipes, it's got electrolytes.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 13 - Pup Sneak

New session! You can tell because the audio is inexplicably choppy again even though I ran FEWER programs than last time, when it worked mostly fine. Shoot me.

The skulls fight came a little closer than I wanted because I tried to get fancy with it, also that minor clipping issue. Thanks Fox Engine

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Has Grace finally started watching Crazy Ex-Girlfriend? Because he quoted two of Rachel Blooms songs with the same cadence within a minute.
Friends friends friendly friends and I'm a good person. (Dan should watch this video!)

If Grace hasn't watched the show yet, he really should. It's also on Netflix now. In fact everyone should watch it.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
The "friends friends friendly friends" thing is most likely from us making fun of Tales of Graces having a 'friendship power to protect friends' speech roughly every five minutes :v:

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?
Holy poo poo I just read about what Skull Face put Paz and Chico through and its pretty hosed up. Am I crazy or has this series gotten idk darker? I mean it has all these fancy political going ons and such but it always seemed a little bit campy or maybe just ludicrous.


Edit: I just noticed your thread reached gold congrats though was there ever any doubt it would?

Hrvstmn31 fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jul 19, 2016

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 14 - It's Dan Time

This is a bit of a mess :cripes:

EDIT: Also maybe you should follow this twitter bot I made while drunk for some sage and important advice from our good friend.

https://twitter.com/Frequency14085/status/755574443016015872

Danaru fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 21, 2016

pick-e
Aug 10, 2014
"Todays enemy could be tomorrows friend."
"Big Boss took that as shoot everyone."
Dan you've got it all wrong. He's following the Bosses words but in the most anime possible. Defeat someone and they become your friend (after a nice space balloon ride)!

SSNeoman posted:

MGSPP has the problem with the open world not really being able to present the themes Kojima is trying to talk about. When a player can be waylaid by a soldier garrison to find diamonds, it becomes difficult to discuss how missing limbs are related to Moby Dick are related to a mercenary corporation's war against Cipher which will ultimately be futile. Couple that with Konami's meddling and voice actor budget constraints and here we are.
It also has the problem of looking pretty boring to play. When each mission starts off with 20-30 seconds of straight running to the mission area it's just... what's the point? At least PW had the decency to drop you where you needed to be. The lack of level design also makes the tried & true tranq-mans from afar approach even less stealth based! At least in GZ you had to hide bodies, but now that fultons are back most semblances of stealth are gone. Thanks for the heads up on the open world game stuff, feel like I understand them better now.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


What's your loving problem Miller? They're loving kids!
Christ.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

SSNeoman posted:

What's your loving problem Miller? They're loving kids!
Christ.

Yeah Miller likes to go between "Boss we gotta save the children!" and "Smacking kids with his cane like a crotchety old man". Dude's been off the deep end since before we got out of that coma though.




Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 16 - Swatting A Mosquito

There's a section of this episode where I'm being watched from four different directions and just ran out of handgun silencer, and the target I need to eliminate is right in front of me. Meanwhile Grace, my beloved support staff over the radio, is talking about how someone annoyed him at a convention and most likely playing Picross with the stream minimized.

I feel like that sums up this entire channel, pretty much.

Danaru fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 26, 2016

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

!
Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

Danaru posted:

There's a section of this episode where I'm being watched from four different directions and just ran out of handgun silencer, and the target I need to eliminate is right in front of me. Meanwhile Grace, my beloved support staff over the radio, is talking about how someone annoyed him at a convention and most likely playing Picross with the stream minimized.

I feel like that sums up this entire channel, pretty much.

Have you considered, perhaps, investing in getting The Best Arm Upgrade for that exact reason?

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

SSNeoman posted:

What's your loving problem Miller? They're loving kids!
Christ.

Kids are just the worst. And unless you cheese that mission with cars like Dan did, it is just completely terrible! You keep telling them to sit silently in a corner, but they prefer to walk to the most nearby armed guy to say hello.
Every single child in this game is terrible, annoying and awful in general. Just like real life.

Captain Bravo
Feb 16, 2011

An Emergency Shitpost
has been deployed...

...but experts warn it is
just a drop in the ocean.

Air is lava! posted:

they prefer to walk to the most nearby armed guy to say hello.

I think what they're actually saying is "That white man with many guns and probable brain damage wants to take us back to his offshore platform."

I mean, the situation is pretty much the gold standard for "go find an adult". The only way it could be more so is if pequod drove a rusty van instead of a chopper.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


So do you automatically get all of Mosquito's dudes when you capture him? Cause there were a lotta A+ rankers you walked past.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

SSNeoman posted:

So do you automatically get all of Mosquito's dudes when you capture him? Cause there were a lotta A+ rankers you walked past.

I don't think so, but getting caught in that mission is an instant game over, so I sure as hell wasn't tempting fate

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

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Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

SSNeoman posted:

So do you automatically get all of Mosquito's dudes when you capture him? Cause there were a lotta A+ rankers you walked past.

The mission ends once you kill or capture Mosquito. Admittedly, the game kind of auto-scales units to match the actual level of strength Mother Base is at, until eventually 90% of everyone has an A in something and S/S+ units become fairly common, with S++ being the real prizes.

pick-e
Aug 10, 2014

Danaru posted:

There's a section of this episode where I'm being watched from four different directions and just ran out of handgun silencer, and the target I need to eliminate is right in front of me. Meanwhile Grace, my beloved support staff over the radio, is talking about how someone annoyed him at a convention and most likely playing Picross with the stream minimized.

I feel like that sums up this entire channel, pretty much.
To be fair, once bitten by the Picross bug it's hard to stop playing. And you did ace that rather intense MB mission anyway. Surprised they shot your dog though, first your horse gets runover and now this. Quiet should consider herself lucky to always be left behind.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 15 - Soma Chat

Whoops! This was the real episode 15! I accidentally put up episode 16 before, something something SHIFTing go play Zero Time Dilemma. Also Soma

Unknown Quantity
Sep 2, 2011

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Steven? Steven?!
STEEEEEEVEEEEEEEN!

Dan and Grace posted:

I know someone mentioned the difference between PO and PO+. I guess they'll have to explain it again!

Unknown Quantity posted:

Portable Ops + has more soldier types, unique characters, and additional multiplayer content, but it has none of the plot stuff. It has the boss battles in the form of an unlockable Boss Rush, but if you want the actual plot of the game you get Portable Ops. There's an option to transfer your Portable Ops units to Portable Ops Plus since Plus was basically meant to be a means to extend the lifespan of the last remaining multiplayer platform for the year gap between MGS3's servers going down and MGS4's servers going up.

:v:

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Soma chat: What got me was that you weren't even a robot. You were a brain scan of a guy who was stuck into a corpse of a woman and then made sentient through nanomachine goop. You then have to repeat the procedure with the deep-sea diving suit (also a woman's corpse) which was super not okay. And yeah that stuck with me.
Also you have a choice not to kill the WAU, though the rear end in a top hat who;s with you tries to kill you anyway.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jul 27, 2016

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?

Danaru posted:

Whoops! This was the real episode 15! I accidentally put up episode 16 before, something something SHIFTing go play Zero Time Dilemma. Also Soma

I just noticed that and was going to let you know but you figured it out yourself. It's quite humorous since this series has several anachronistic moments itself.

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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??


Let's Play MGSV Phantom Pain Episode 17 - Early Father's Day

This should be the last choppy episode :froggonk:

Danaru fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Aug 2, 2016

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