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At least the French have some spine and the courage to let the English speakers know what they think about them. Even if it's ultimately to their detriment.
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# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:21 |
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Do the French get fussy that outside of official events no one ever uses anything other than NATO? It would be great if every nato member pulled the same poo poo and the official nato logo ended up looking like a word jumble, but I guess no one else has such a linguistic chip on their shoulder other than the french. At least the French in europe don't demand bilingual stop signs like they do in Canada.
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# ? Jul 8, 2016 23:22 |
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Douze pointe!
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# ? Jul 8, 2016 23:31 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just because someone speaks French doesn't mean they're a crybaby about their language not getting the respect it deserves. The one who is a crybaby about language here is the one who is going "boohoo why do languages other than English exist". NATO has two official languages, deal with it.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 00:27 |
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Cat Mattress posted:The one who is a crybaby about language here is the one who is going "boohoo why do languages other than English exist". NATO has two official languages, deal with it. NATO has one official language, and one faux-official language for babies.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 00:37 |
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We really should've just kicked France out for good for their backstabbing ways. Two problems with one stone!
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 01:14 |
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mobby_6kl posted:We really should've just kicked France out for good for their backstabbing ways. Two problems with one stone! Feel free to start a petition on change.org.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 01:26 |
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Does anyone know what happened to the A.T.O in Ukraine youtube channel that was uploading videos from the Ukraine conflict? I went back to check on it recently and cannot find it at all.
Mr.Shadow fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jul 9, 2016 |
# ? Jul 9, 2016 03:29 |
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Will the Russian terrorism law change anything de facto?
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 05:44 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Will the Russian terrorism law change anything de facto? The new one? Well for one they'll be prosecuting 14-year-olds from now on.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 05:48 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Will the Russian terrorism law change anything de facto? I don't think so? And honestly it doesn't seem to be worse than antiterrorism laws that have been enacted in the west...
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 05:49 |
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Cat Mattress posted:The one who is a crybaby about language here is the one who is going "boohoo why do languages other than English exist". NATO has two official languages, deal with it.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 08:28 |
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Lichtenstein posted:Douze pointe! Douze points .
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 08:59 |
Cat Mattress posted:And honestly it doesn't seem to be worse than antiterrorism laws that have been enacted in the west...
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 09:14 |
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Ultimately, I don't consider Russia to be a rule of law country, so it doesn't really matter what their laws say or not. Heck if they can legally put in jail anyone for flimsy reasons, then maybe they'll merely put them in jail instead of having the mob murder them (just ask journalists and political opponents), so ultimately regressive and repressive laws might be the more humane approach.A Buttery Pastry posted:I'm perfectly fine with other languages than English existing, hell, one of them is my mother tongue. I just think it's ridiculous that the French want to waste everyone's time and money foisting their language on organizations like it's some sacred thing instead of just being pragmatic and using the lingua franca. And I just think it's been like this since NATO was created in 1949 and whining about it now is what is really a waste of everyone's time.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 10:59 |
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Cat Mattress posted:And I just think it's been like this since NATO was created in 1949 and whining about it now is what is really a waste of everyone's time.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 11:06 |
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Has anyone pointed out how hilarious using this particular phrase is in this context?A Buttery Pastry posted:lingua franca.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 11:33 |
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BattleMaster posted:Has anyone pointed out how hilarious using this particular phrase is in this context? In Byzantine usage, "frank" was a generic term for anyone from Western Europe. Levantine Arabs and Ottoman Turks inherited the word. The orginal LF was actually an Italian-based pidgin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Lingua_Franca Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jul 9, 2016 |
# ? Jul 9, 2016 11:40 |
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Well yeah, and it has not even meant that for a long time, but I still think it's great to tell the French to give it up and use the lingua franca, especially since French itself used to be something of a standard language. I'm Canadian and we have to deal with annoying French speakers though, so I'll take whatever catharsis I can get. edit: especially since half of their words are almost identical but just in the opposite order
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 12:03 |
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Lol French Canadians. I met a couple on holiday (not in Canada) and they were a walking stereotype, barely spoke English and the guy even had a front tooth missing from hockey, for gently caress's sake.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 13:50 |
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Anybody bring up this article by from The Nation, by Michael T. Klare? The United States and NATO Are Preparing for a Major War With Russia - Massive military exercises and a troop buildup on NATO’s eastern flank reflect a dangerous new strategy. Somehow manages to paint escalation in Eastern Europe as almost entirely up to NATO. What is funnier is the comments. Some of them take umbrage even with his milquetoast "Russian intervention in Crimea and eastern Ukraine is certainly provocative and repugnant...": quote:I expected better from The Nation. It is the U.S. that has caused increasing tensions with Russia. George H.W. Bush promised Gorbachov that NATO would not go farther east than East Germany. That promise has been broken repeatedly. The U.S. engineered a coup that put a new government in place in Ukraine. You left that part out of your article, Michael T. Klare, and I think you know better. quote:Great article. Just one problem. You describe the "Russian intervention in Crimea and eastern Ukraine" as "provocative and repugnant." I am not sure what you mean by that. Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine and re-join Russia. I'm not clear on what is so "provocative and repugnant" about Crimean self-determination. As for Russia's support for the rebels in eastern Ukraine, it could certainly be described as "provocative" but to call it "repugnant" without examining the context of the situation reeks of dishonesty and bias. The fact is there was a coup in Ukraine that installed a rabidly anti-Russian government that included neo-Nazi leaders and immediately attempted to restrict the rights of the ethnic Russian population in eastern Ukraine. Like anyone in this situation would, eastern Ukrainians decided to fight back, and Russia supported their efforts. You can use any adjective you want to describe Russia's support for eastern Ukrainian rebels, but at least provide some context so your readers can decide for themselves whether they think it is "repugnant" or not.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 13:50 |
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Russia Today talking points, uncritically accepted as gospel. Can't say I find this surprising, we've seen the same comments everywhere, sometimes even in this thread.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 14:01 |
Arglebargle III posted:Will the Russian terrorism law change anything de facto?
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 14:13 |
Cat Mattress posted:And honestly it doesn't seem to be worse than antiterrorism laws that have been enacted in the west...
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 14:36 |
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kalstrams posted:There's a number of things, in my opinion, that are off compared to the run of the mill anti-terrorism legalese in developed countries. And keep in mind before this law was adopted it also contained revoking citizenship and deportation for violators. Those two parts were stricken before the Duma voted on it. In short, this is an unconstitutional law no one has the infrastructure to accommodate, the funds to pay for, and puts the burden of implementing it on the institutions it impacts, such as the postal service. And Vova wants the FSB to be ready in two weeks to enforce it.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 14:49 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In short, this is an unconstitutional law no one has the infrastructure to accommodate, [or] the funds to pay for
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 15:01 |
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Do folks have any thoughts on Sputnik? It seems to be a new generation of RT- with more thought and craft going into its propaganda.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 15:49 |
Discendo Vox posted:Do folks have any thoughts on Sputnik? It seems to be a new generation of RT- with more thought and craft going into its propaganda.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 16:30 |
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kalstrams posted:When it launched it was RT-esque garbage, and still is. Yeah, RT and Sputnik are pretty much one and the same.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 16:40 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:This is what happened in Russia today. Thanks for posting this, I wanted to do it, but kept putting it off. Since that article, everything's already been signed into law by Putin. If anyone else didn't notice, Snowden's twitter post has a link to the Moscow Carnegie Center which has lots of informative analyses (translated into English!) if anyone is interested.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 17:04 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Do folks have any thoughts on Sputnik? It seems to be a new generation of RT- with more thought and craft going into its propaganda. They killed RIA Novosti for that. Novosti was of much better quality and relatively reliable, which is why it had to be killed.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 17:09 |
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Skimming their headlines, I'd say Sputnik is like a more blatant RT. Both are pretty clearly Russia propaganda fronts, but RT has a better mix of headlines on their front page that don't immediately scream propaganda, like the viral section or a piece on water on Mars. Sputnik has a lot fewer of those and a lot more "Does Amerikkka want to declare war on China or Russia first?".
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 17:21 |
DrProsek posted:Skimming their headlines, I'd say Sputnik is like a more blatant RT. Both are pretty clearly Russia propaganda fronts, but RT has a better mix of headlines on their front page that don't immediately scream propaganda, like the viral section or a piece on water on Mars. Sputnik has a lot fewer of those and a lot more "Does Amerikkka want to declare war on China or Russia first?".
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 17:34 |
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https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not is a pretty good Sputnik parody account, for those who are into that sort of thing.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 17:41 |
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kalstrams posted:There's a number of things, in my opinion, that are off compared to the run of the mill anti-terrorism legalese in developed countries. Combine it with the new national guard consisting of a few hundred thousand men, answerable to only Putin, he want the ability to ensure that any attempts to stage large scale protests won't happen again after the election this year. The protests in 2012 got attention but did not attract enough to worry Putin, but he wants to ensure that any attempt to repeat the Orange revolution is dead in the water.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 19:06 |
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Someone posted this under the same Facebook link to that The Nation article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgSX-WD96Q
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 20:20 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Someone posted this under the same Facebook link to that The Nation article: Should go without saying that you should not check out Youtube comments if you want to preserve your faith in humanity, but "Someone should stop America's and Israel's JEWHAD" Holy poo poo these people
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 20:39 |
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So my Russian in-laws who live in Ukraine want to move "back" to Russia because they feel like 2nd class citizens in Ukraine and don't have great job prospects. I have no idea why 2 retirement age people would want to move country for "job prospects" but it's all mostly emotional. The problem is, I'm never going to Russia, ever. The idea of traveling there scares the poo poo out of me, specially since I spend a lot of my time poo poo-talking Russia, it's church, and its various disgusting policies on the internet. I'm also vocally involved with some organizations and causes that would be flat out illegal in Russia. No I don't think the KGB is going grab me at the airport and send me off to some gulag for people who talk poo poo about russia or spread gay propaganda on the internet but they don't seem too far off from that either. I also wouldn't want my wife visiting Russia either, she's a Canadian citizen now but technically she still has Russian citizenship too and getting rid of it officially is hard. Her plan was just "never go to Russia ever again because gently caress Russia". She's also quite outspokenly anti-russia and anti-putin. We've tried to explain that if they move back to glorious russia they are never going to see me ever again, and seeing their daughter might be tough too. I'm certainly not sending over any grandkids either. They don't get it though, they see Russia as this nice stable motherland vs the war-torn nazi-sympathizing russian-hating Ukraine. They're shocked we'd rather visit them in Kiev than Russia or feel safer there.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 20:51 |
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Show them Medvedev's "There is no money but you hang in there!" video from Crimea.
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# ? Jul 9, 2016 21:27 |
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Why don't they move to Canada instead? Or is that off the table due to all the homonazis you guys have? I have some relatives in Russia too and they invited me over several times. They, though not actually Russian, were in complete denial and couldn't see why I would possibly have an issue with going there.
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