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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, he wanted all of it to make sure nothing was discovered, don't get why he didn't use Killer Queen to snatch it away instead though since it's way easier to do since Stands are invisible and can't be touched by people unless they have Stands or the Stand wants to and all that. He wouldn't even have to be facing them to do it! Besides which, I don't feel like Kira ever particularly liked using his special abilities. I mean, sure, they're convenient - do his job for him - but they fly in the face of everything else he believes in: keeping a low profile, living modestly. He dislikes attention, dislikes fighting and confrontation. He has no ambitions beyond continuing his current lifestyle. Having powers makes him "Special," and whenever he exercises those powers he risks drawing attention he doesn't want. Suppose the boy turns around and sees his sandwich bag floating in midair? Suppose someone else sees? He'd sure be the talk of the town then. Taking the long route, even if he gets caught, he's "Only" some weirdo trying to steal a kid's lunch. You could also make the excuse he wasn't thinking properly, being under pressure and all that, on the verge of being discovered by pure accident. Human beings aren't always beholden to making the optimal choice, especially not under stress.
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Bad Seafood posted:You could also make the excuse he wasn't thinking properly, being under pressure and all that, on the verge of being discovered by pure accident. Human beings aren't always beholden to making the optimal choice, especially not under stress. It's probably this. One of the really unique things about Kira is that most of the time we see him he's under equal or even greater psychological pressure than the heroes, and has to fight an uphill battle against both the heroes and his own issues in order to get himself out of the situation. Therefore it's pretty understandable that he does make a lot of mistakes, which actually makes him a better villain since he gets to both do cool poo poo to beat the odds and not look like an idiot when he fucks up.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i'm excited for the fact that part 4 basically just keeps picking up steam from RHCP onwards, and once we get kira in the picture it'll be even greater And then Rohan lets his house burn down
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Bad Seafood posted:Just saying, that's probably why he didn't just "Delete" it when Fatty's back was turned. Okay, fair enough. I like that explanation a lot better than 'Oh man, he's just so crazy, y'know how those mentally insane people are' for it. Now I'm just curious about how far he could control his bomb power. Could he make the inside of the bag a bomb? Or touch a door and make only one panel on it a bomb?
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's probably this. One of the really unique things about Kira is that most of the time we see him he's under equal or even greater psychological pressure than the heroes, and has to fight an uphill battle against both the heroes and his own issues in order to get himself out of the situation. Therefore it's pretty understandable that he does make a lot of mistakes, which actually makes him a better villain since he gets to both do cool poo poo to beat the odds and not look like an idiot when he fucks up. I agree except I think Kira looks like a huge idiot when he fucks up, such as when he sets up Bites the Dust to activate when Hayato gets closer to revealing his identity but then ends up saying his own name out loud in public, with his own mouth, several times within earshot of other people, like a huge idiot. But that makes him more endearing to me imo.
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standard owl posted:I agree except I think Kira looks like a huge idiot when he fucks up, such as when he sets up Bites the Dust to activate when Hayato gets closer to revealing his identity but then ends up saying his own name out loud in public, with his own mouth, several times within earshot of other people, like a huge idiot. But that makes him more endearing to me imo. I like how him saying his name is pretty much a part of fate too. IIRC he had said it to hayato during previous loops of Bites the Dust, this time it was just Hayato exploiting fate to get Kira to announce his identity within earshot of someone who could do something about him
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FirstAidKite posted:I like how him saying his name is pretty much a part of fate too. IIRC he had said it to hayato during previous loops of Bites the Dust, this time it was just Hayato exploiting fate to get Kira to announce his identity within earshot of someone who could do something about him It's the classic mistake of hubris, which is why I don't mind it so much. Yeah it was a dumb thing to do, but he did it because of his overconfidence.
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Kira Yoshikage is smart, but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
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Bad Seafood posted:Kira Yoshikage is smart, but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Agreed. A lot of Kira's inner monologue revolves around him being smart enough etc. to be number one in school, but deliberately not doing so and getting third places instead. But whenever we see him actually getting into a battle with the duwang gang, they pretty much always outwit him in one way or the other and pretty much whenever someone proves that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, he loses it.
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RareAcumen posted:It just seems too broad to be a reference since the city's gotta have electricity flowing through it somehow after all. iirc the towers were decommissioned and replaced with underground cables a few years before the events of DIU? re: the vines in the op, vines have been used as a symbol of the Joestar lineage since at least the first SDC op, and since they're with Josuke's heart and anchor symbol I think that's probably all they are.
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FirstAidKite posted:And then Rohan lets his house burn down I never understood why Josuke didn't just use Crazy Diamond to fix Rohan's house. Exercu posted:Agreed. A lot of Kira's inner monologue revolves around him being smart enough etc. to be number one in school, but deliberately not doing so and getting third places instead. But whenever we see him actually getting into a battle with the duwang gang, they pretty much always outwit him in one way or the other and pretty much whenever someone proves that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, he loses it. That's probably one of the best parts about Kira, honestly. Yoshikage Kira posted:"Your Stand looks pretty weak. It's like you're hitting a fly ball straight to the pitcher. Yoshikage Kira, five seconds later posted:"oh god why are you so fast"
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I never understood why Josuke didn't just use Crazy Diamond to fix Rohan's house. Rohan cut his finger off because he couldn't figure out how Josuke was cheating. I'm 100000% sure he'd kill himself before letting Josuke do that. Our own Amaryllis drew this masterpiece http://strawberry-jan.tumblr.com/post/143344624234/watch-it-rohan-you-almost-said-something-nice I get irrationally annoyed on tumblr how great OC stuff like this gets like 700 notes and then someone will gently caress the colour balance and cut two thirds of the animation frames from a show for a gif and get 2000. People don't appreciate effort 
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Exercu posted:Agreed. A lot of Kira's inner monologue revolves around him being smart enough etc. to be number one in school, but deliberately not doing so and getting third places instead. But whenever we see him actually getting into a battle with the duwang gang, they pretty much always outwit him in one way or the other and pretty much whenever someone proves that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, he loses it. my opinion on Kira is that even if he had totally tried his best all those third place trophies would be second place instead. Second place in the whole school is still really impressive! Just not quite as good as he thinks he is
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I get irrationally annoyed on tumblr how great OC stuff like this gets like 700 notes and then someone will gently caress the colour balance and cut two thirds of the animation frames from a show for a gif and get 2000. People don't appreciate effort  Tumblr is just not a good platform for webcomics, even though it's a good place for fan stuff. Even some of those absolutely fantastic Millionfish comics that make me want to put away my pen forever got a couple thousand notes, tops, and then just fell off everyone's radar. It's also almost impossible to do anything serial and have people see each update. If I weren't drawing fan comics, specifically, I'd be using some other service. (That being said, the Rohan-centric ones are just consistently less popular for some reason??)Also, the less popular I am on tumblr, the more likely it is that I can just have a chill time and get better at art, and the less visible I am, the less likely people are to call me a "stupid piece of poo poo" (actual quotation) for airing my jojopinions, soooooo.
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Ehh. I'm just here to have fun and draw Rohan getting punched in the face. Speaking of Rohan, I finally got my copy of that spinoff anthology a while back, and although I like it well enough, I think I like the character best when he's a super-intense artist with zero chill and who's (most importantly) constantly bickering with teenagers even though he should know better. Seeing him in action these past couple of weeks reinforced that feeling for me, and made me feel a little less excited for the OVA(s). Something just kind of feels missing when he's not bouncing off the main cast, though Poaching Reef does capture some of that Part 4 spirit when Rohan gets all excited about poaching specifically because it's an illegal experience. Also, someone pointed out that Tonio never takes his hat off, even when he's drowning, and for some reason I found that hilarious.
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The thing to remember is that the average Jojo fan is like 16 years old, so don't take what they have to say to heart.
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Exercu posted:Agreed. A lot of Kira's inner monologue revolves around him being smart enough etc. to be number one in school, but deliberately not doing so and getting third places instead. But whenever we see him actually getting into a battle with the duwang gang, they pretty much always outwit him in one way or the other and pretty much whenever someone proves that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, he loses it. Stallion Cabana posted:my opinion on Kira is that even if he had totally tried his best all those third place trophies would be second place instead. Second place in the whole school is still really impressive! Just not quite as good as he thinks he is I took it that, as a consequence of purposely avoiding distinguishing himself, he's never had to become familiar with adversity. So despite the fact that he is very capable of knuckling down (no pun intended) when under pressure, he's never become comfortable doing so. He's inexperienced, and he makes rookie mistakes. It's not that he is or isn't as smart as he thinks he is, so much that intelligence isn't a substitute for practice. As tenacious, as capable, and as outright powerful as he is, his two fights against the Duwang Gang are the only two stand battles he ever fights. It's a very Fox and the Hedgehog situation, where the moment he can't rely on his one trick (avoiding notice) he's not quite capable of adapting. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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Schwarzwald posted:I took it that, as a consequence of purposely avoiding distinguishing himself, that he simply never pushed to improve himself. So despite the fact that he is very capable of knuckling down (no pun intended) when under pressure, his avoidant nature means that he's never had the opportunity to become comfortable in such circumstances. He's inexperienced, and so the mistakes he makes are rookie mistakes. That makes a lot of sense, especially when we see him losing his poo poo at any setback or challenge. People that coast on being generally smart but never apply themselves don't learn how to stay calm and work through adversity, and tend to fold under pressure.
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Schwarzwald posted:It's not that he is or isn't as smart as he thinks he is, so much that intelligence isn't a substitute for practice. As tenacious, as capable, and as outright powerful as he is, his two fights against the Duwang Gang are the only two stand battles he ever fights.
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Plus there's his personality too. I like Kira as a villain because despite being a horrendous serial killer monster, his entire motivation throughout the series is "leave me the gently caress alone". I feel like that's a rare thing, a guy that is disgusting but doesn't wanna flaunt it at all. He just wants to kill women, sever their hands and have picnics. Serial killers are usually of the "trying to show off" variety, but Kira developed a power that allows him to commit literal perfect murders. He developed another one that lets something else deal with his problems, and a THIRD one that is quite literally "okay, can I get a redo on that?". When he gets wrecked by the Duwang Clan the first time, he just decides to vanish instead of planning a surprise attack like most people would. He knows he's stupid powerful but gently caress this shonen bullshit, I don't wanna do power levels, I just wanna gently caress off and do my murder thing. So when you take that guy outside of his comfort zone, position him against people that can outmaneuver his M.O and that are getting on his nerves, he breaks down and fucks up.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's even kinda arguable if he wants to. He does it when his nails grow exceptionally fast and he gets urges to do it that he can't control. It implies that when they're normal, he can live happily without doing it. If I were to pull off a Quantico profiler imitation here, I'd say the nails are more of an association thing. He seems happy enough to do the hand-dating thing, when his nails start growing faster it just triggers the murderous urges. Kira is really hosed up and not in a "power corrupts" sense, he's clearly a psychopath. I think Araki got into Silence of the Lambs around that time.
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Amaryllis posted:Also, the less popular I am on tumblr, the more likely it is that I can just have a chill time and get better at art, and the less visible I am, the less likely people are to call me a "stupid piece of poo poo" (actual quotation) for airing my jojopinions, soooooo. The jjba tag can also be a baffling wasteland of posts, like yesterday when someone posted "is it just me or do parts 4 and 8 suck completely" or something and made sure to tag it under all three JoJo tags in case we'd miss it. CJ posted:The thing to remember is that the average Jojo fan is like 16 years old, so don't take what they have to say to heart. This is extremely true and really worth keeping in mind. I'm probably older than anyone in this thread and I'm for sure older than anyone I'm seeing on tumblr.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:That's perfectly fair to add to Kakyoin art. Encouraged even.  it actually wasn't kakyoin that time
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:I see a lot of hideous stuff. Someone once reblogged from me and added an actual post like "nice art, too bad you're wasting it on a lovely character" holy loving poo poo kid go outside. I was mortified because of course the original artist saw it, too. Weird, that's surprisingly nicer than the average Youtube comment. You sure they didn't tell you to loving kill yourself?
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RareAcumen posted:Weird, that's surprisingly nicer than the average Youtube comment. You sure they didn't tell you to loving kill yourself? You get those via anons when you reblog from the "wrong" artists. When is the next jojolion volume? The 19th? I want it now. e: some people in this thread are excited most about highway star, others about seeing rohan's house, I just want to freaking see mikitaka https://twitter.com/toffeezel/status/752183224697102336 Okuyasu Nijimura fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Our own Amaryllis drew this masterpiece I ended up looking through the art tag. That comic with Giorno and Dio is amazing.
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:e: some people in this thread are excited most about highway star, others about seeing rohan's house, I just want to freaking see mikitaka   e: lovely teen antics are also why I can't wait to see Harvest animated.
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Dias posted:If I were to pull off a Quantico profiler imitation here, I'd say the nails are more of an association thing. He seems happy enough to do the hand-dating thing, when his nails start growing faster it just triggers the murderous urges. Kira is really hosed up and not in a "power corrupts" sense, he's clearly a psychopath. I think Araki got into Silence of the Lambs around that time. I would argue that psychopath isn't really the right term for it, as most psychopathic behavior (which is a broad topic in and of itself) tends to be bold and uninhibited, which is the opposite of how Kira acts and his goals. Psychopathy is especially at odds with the anxieties Kira exhibits (yeah, admittedly, I did just now look up the definition s for psychopathy, as I wanted to make sure I wasn't confusing it with being psychotic, which is different) I do, however, believe Kira would be diagnosed with some form of personality disorder. One thing that fascinated me was a quick scene where he was astonished to find he felt something for the mother of his stolen family, which would indicate that he isn't a sociopath, either, as he would be entirely incapable of feeling empathy at all. It is possible that his state is actually a product of his upbringing more than latent mental illness. ..... or I'm digging way too into a cartoon character's personality.
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