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unpronounceable posted:I'm looking at getting a COIN game. Someone else in my group has Cuba Libre, which I really enjoyed, so I was going to get a different one. About how would you rank them in terms of complexity? I was looking at Liberty or Death, but it being between p500 runs is making me consider other ones. Complexity currently goes Cuba Libre --> Andean Abyss --> Falling Sky --> Liberty or Death (?) --> A Distant Plain --> Fire in the Lake. If Cuba Libre is already taken care of, Falling Sky isn't much more complex, although it plays very differently. You could get Andean Abyss instead (if you can find a copy), but it suffers a little for being the clunky first draft of the series. Liberty or Death is the only questionable one, because the rules are more complex than ADP (with dice combat modifiers and supply costs), but the basic strategies are more straightforward. Fire in the Lake full campaign is Hardcore Mode.
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My wife now works at Fantasy Flight/Asmodee NA. Help me. My game collection has tripled since she started and it only keeps growing.
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MockingQuantum posted:My wife now works at Fantasy Flight/Asmodee NA. Help me. My game collection has tripled since she started and it only keeps growing. Anything worth buying from you? 
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ETB posted:Anything worth buying from you? Hah, maybe down the line. At the moment everything we own, she needs to learn how to play. Or it's stuff we actually wanted to begin with. Our X-Wing collection has kind of exploded.
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Jul 10, 2016 04:04
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I started the PBP/Online thread here
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Jul 10, 2016 09:57
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I played Twilight Squabble, it wasn't too bad, I liked it. Nice and light 2P game.
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Jul 10, 2016 10:21
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I prefer Twilight Scrabble.
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MockingQuantum posted:Hah, maybe down the line. At the moment everything we own, she needs to learn how to play. Or it's stuff we actually wanted to begin with. Our X-Wing collection has kind of exploded. You should make dioramas with the extra ships and take pics of them.
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I have secured some friends who are willing to get together and play board games, but I mistakenly tried to get them to play Argent. Fortunately the other person I invited who is INTO board games cut it short and we played Coup instead. They're willing to come back, but I want to eventually play some really complex stuff with them. What games should I introduce them to in what order to build them up into supernerds?
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I suckered my parents in with Dominion, Ticket to Ride and 7 Wonders, and if I was so inclined I could probably work them up to something like Argent given several years of family reunions. So that seems like a good starting point. Alternatively, Galaxy Trucker has a way of grabbing people.
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Rutibex posted:I prefer Twilight Scrabble. code:StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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signalnoise posted:I have secured some friends who are willing to get together and play board games, but I mistakenly tried to get them to play Argent. Fortunately the other person I invited who is INTO board games cut it short and we played Coup instead. They're willing to come back, but I want to eventually play some really complex stuff with them. What games should I introduce them to in what order to build them up into supernerds? Start with Viticulture to teach worker placement and basic resource engine building and Thebes for time management and set collection. Follow with Orleans for multiple divergent victory paths and specialised engine building and Kemet for area control, direct competition and heavy front loading. Honestly, after that they'll be ready for The Gallerist.
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Pre-Viticulture is Lords of Waterdeep so if you really want to start with tiny baby steps, start there.
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Here's my letter to Level99Games regarding the EXCEED art: "VERY VERY disappointed in the art chosen for EXCEED. Do you realize that nearly half the attendees at Strategicon in Los Angeles (with over 1800 attendees) are women? I wish I never would have bought this crap, and I'll certainly be doing much more thorough investigations of any future Level99 Games games. I trusted you and you let me down. Lust for male money overcame you I guess, but I know a number of men will be turned off from the art as well. Jennifer Schlickbernd"
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Can you link to the problematic art? I'm out of the loop on this one, and didn't see it mentioned in the last few pages. Their website didn't seem too bad, but I imagine they aren't leading with the offensive examples.
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Not sure level 99 choose the art for EXCEED (it looks like it was given to them by Jasco during design?) but it's still fair to call them out on it. However, I'm not sure how necessary that cooperation was to the creation of EXCEED, as level 99 was falling apart at the time.
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Lorini posted:Here's my letter to Level99Games regarding the EXCEED art: Care to share an example of the offending art?
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It's all over the Kickstarter
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Speaking of artwork, Scythe is the best-looking boardgame I've ever seen. I got the premium edition with the metal coins and I'll probably use them for all of my other games, too.
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That looks like standard Anime to me. Not that, that excuses it, but I'm not shocked. Eva is pretty gross though.
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Jul 10, 2016 17:49
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The actual attack cards are more the issue than the character portraits, other than one or two particularly bad ones. EVA is the worst offender though. I can't find the thread but I know a decent number of playtesters made it pretty clear they didn't support the art choices, I forget the response.
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Bottom Liner posted:It's all over the Kickstarter Gabrek seems so mopey about his cartoonishly huge arms
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Bottom Liner posted:It's all over the Kickstarter  I do declare! What revealing outfits, I am going to need my fainting couch. The lasciviousness of these scoundrels is beyond the pale, something really must be done!
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Indolent Bastard posted:That looks like standard Anime to me. Not that, that excuses it, but I'm not shocked. The rest of Level 99 games artwork, while also anime, tend have more sensibly dressed women, at least from what I've seen of them.
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Rutibex posted:
The definition of "over" sexualization is subjective. Some people like it, and they are the audience for that game. Unfortunately we don't live in a puritan theocracy, so people have the right to express themselves freely, and sell things that are of only a limited appeal. Woman just don't like board games on average. There are currently 1463 male chess grandmasters in the world, and only 33 female. Chess is not a sexualized game at all, so it can't be misogyny that's keeping woman from playing it. Given that any board game is going to have a 98% male audience, it stands to reason that it should be marketed in ways that appeal to men. _________________/ 
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Looking into getting Coup, some questions: -I hear Reformation is good but the Inquisitor needs fixing, is that correct? What's the fix if there is one? -Any basic-level strategy to know before playing? -I hear G54 isn't as good as original Coup, is that correct? -I was interested in the art for the Polish edition, it should be possible to make that work with English speakers if you print out the rules, right? Also going back to Coup chat earlier in the thread Bloose has a pretty great redtext
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The definition of "over" sexualization is subjective. Some people like it, and they are the audience for that game. Unfortunately we don't live in a puritan theocracy, so people have the right to express themselves freely, and sell things that are of only a limited appeal. The funny thing is, isn't Vasel actually on record as wanting to encourage more women into the hobby?
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:The rest of Level 99 games artwork, while also anime, tend have more sensibly dressed women, at least from what I've seen of them. Apparently this is a licensed property and artwork, and they specifically did a lot of cropping around panty shots and stuff to minimize it. Still ridiculous. Rutibex posted:
Oh gently caress off you dumb twat. Go lick your home printed Tanto Cuore collection while you gently caress a cereal box.
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So how good is Big Book of Madness? It looks alright and I kinda like the theme.
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Help, I need some encouragement to sell my Collectors edition of Scythe. I like good components and mediocre gameplay that probably isn't nearly as deep as people wish, but I also like money too.
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It's a little complicated, so hold up: Level 99's main IP is Indines, which most of their games are set in. This includes Battlecon, argent, Pixel Tactics, etc. This is mostly drawn by Noko (Battlecon, Argent) or Fabio Fontes (Millennium Blades, all the promos pretty much). Noko has a conservative, water colour y style and has always been really good about gender depictions, and Fabio is heavily inspired by cartoons but has always been either tasteful or silly. About a year and a half ago, level 99 did the Kickstarter for War of Indines which was a disaster and almost killed the company due to fulfillment problems and delays cranking up the price. They had hired people to warehouse the game, but they clearly were not prepared and Brad is more designer than manager. Battlecon has always been a tricky game, and it's hard for Brad to settle down on how he wants it designed. While there are a lot of improvements that could be made, Exceed is an overhaul of the system merging it with some less stressful and easier to mess with mechanics like in Yomi. Unfortunately, in order to publish it and to distinguish it from Battlecon he needed an ip with an existing fanbase because this was happening during the War Kickstarter problems when they believed they needed to grow as a publisher due to their successes. Jasco was the agreement that worked out, so Jasco provides their own art (which drives game development cost way down) and Brad gets a new game with an existing IP to tap into on the cheap. While there are issues there, the art was probably not chosen for quite the reasons pointed out in Lorini's post - and I suspect a lot of it existed already. Unfortunately, the art is a major reason a lot of us do not like Jasco's IP...but without that support, since I know future Exceed has been difficult to work out licensing deals for, I doubt the game would have been published. Personally I'll buy it because I like Brad's work and the one box I do have is great but have made it clear I don't support Jasco's art choices and expect to be seeing the level 99 folks at GenCon where I expect to be brought up quite a bit.
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StashAugustine posted:The funny thing is, isn't Vasel actually on record as wanting to encourage more women into the hobby? Wait was that a Vasel quote? I thought he was just quoting an earlier Rutibex post.
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Also yeah I think there was a decent bit of work done to improve the art but the foundation from Jasco is a garbage fire so only so much you can do.
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Big McHuge posted:Wait was that a Vasel quote? I thought he was just quoting an earlier Rutibex post. He was mocking Rutibex, I was pointing out that not even Vasel who is basically the human form of That One Guy disagrees with him
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StashAugustine posted:Looking into getting Coup, some questions: quote:-Any basic-level strategy to know before playing?
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StashAugustine posted:The funny thing is, isn't Vasel actually on record as wanting to encourage more women into the hobby? I don't think taking big boobs out of games is necessarily going to encourage more women into the hobby. Only a certain subset of women that really like modesty. Last time I looked Cosmo magazine has just as many scantly clad women as Maxim. I think everyone like boobs and nice looking women? Except maybe weirdos  Heres some women enjoying a game of Tanto Cuore and not dying of disgust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E94751B3Kg4 Rutibex fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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StashAugustine posted:Looking into getting Coup, some questions: What makes G54 nice is that, in fiddling with the exact mechanics of each role, it reinvigorates the game for a group of people who've played it to death. When the game starts to stale as you know how Tom, Dick, and Harry play with Dukes, Ambassadors, and Assassins, changing the precise method of gaining more money, changing cards, and killing people can do a lot to freshen things up. The problem this comes to is that it dramatically increases cost and set-up time for what's still quite a quick, light game. You need to decide what cards you're playing with, then fish out the correct cards (including role cards, rule cards, and a few special prop-cards) from a deck of a hundred or so before you can start. And of course sleeving is now a much bigger problem. Also, it eliminates intra-role relations. In regular Coup, an Ambassador can block a Corsair, or a Contessa can block an Assassin, but in G54, roles can only block themselves, so Secret Police can break Secret Police, Judges block Judges, and so on. Small sacrifice of complexity for more variety. I'd honestly recommend just regular Coup to start with. Ya, a Polish deck should be fine without too much extra printing. There's not a lot on the cards but the art, so why not get some art you like. Some Numbers posted:If you're not lying, you're not winning. Always lie. I've got a friend I don't play Coup with because he never lies and always wins. Or at least beats me.
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Mr. Squishy posted:I've got a friend I don't play Coup with because he never lies and always wins. Or at least beats me. There are exceptions to every rule.
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Rutibex posted:I don't think taking big boobs out of games is necessarily going to encourage more women into the hobby. Only a certain subset of women that really like modesty. There's a simple maths exercise for you: People that would be offended if there was no cheesecake in the game: 0 People that would be offended if there was cheesecake in the game: >0 Everyone that I've played the game with since I got it commented on the art, without fail. The same thing happened with Yomi, which has some pretty bad art as well. I actually find poo poo like Tanto Cuore less objectionable, because at least you know what you are buying into. But fighting games feel a need to sexualise characters for some reason, and I don't see why board games based on fighting games should do the same. BattleCON has a much better base of characters, so it clearly can be done while still getting the share of the market that likes fighting games.
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The feel/vibe of a game is pretty important to me as well as the raw gameplay. When all the art is all massive boob and panty shots and everything is hypersexualized that's enough to make me not want to buy it. I'd be embarrassed to own it, and embarrassed to play it with friends. It's like the figures for that cool horror town building game linked earlier. Looks like a fantastic game but every figure is over the top "cheesecake", they even managed to cover the monsters in boobs to the point that it almost seems like the designers are self-aware enough that they're just doing it all as a joke. Anyways, probably don't want this thread to devolve into FEMINISM IN BOARDGAMES discussion but when I see art like that I think the game is made by and for shut-in basement nerds. Go look at some anime porn if you need that poo poo, but don't put it in my boardgames.
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