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i wrote some powershell monstrosity at an old job to automate some horrible excel/vba nightmare that they have been using and maintaining for the past decade to validate scientific data output from the terrible software they make it runs on a windows 7 vm and excel actually has to open in a gui but it works Mr SuperAwesome posted:c. Restrictions. The manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. For example, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not: and it definitely violates this lol
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my favourite is when people using foreign versions of excel somehow use some ridiculous niche feature which puts custom names somewhere they pick "database" using german office which causes no collision when opened in english office it causes a collision with the built in reserved word "database" and the file cant be opened and your automated thing is now ruined until you RDP in and push the button
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infernal machines posted:because the surface rt has secureboot signature enforcement that theoretically only allows production signed windows rt images to boot. and because it's not really uefi based, there's not supposed to be a way to turn it off either p.sure its a generic microsoft manufacturer signature so they don't shoot themselves in the foot in the future when OS revs change but firmware/bios/whatever hasn't been updated
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univbee posted:I think a surprisingly large chunk of Microsoft's revenue comes specifically from "licensing violations" with many of those stemming from simple confusion (e.g. how windows vl's can only legally be installed on a system which has a windows pro version oem sticker and the sla subscription must always be active as long as the install is still there) Oh yeah of course, if I made a public website that used MS Office automation, technically that would mean anyone in the world could "use" Office on my PC. So long as I buy a few billion licenses, it'd be okay right? Alternatively if the site just popped up a message every minute saying "I have 715,238 documents to convert from people all over the world. Convert them now?" to a person at my office on their desktop computer, not a server, and they clicked "Yes" then I guess you only need 1 license? * I am not a lawyer ** I have not read the license agreement recently, or at least not absorbed any of it *** I am not being paid by Microsoft to suggest that you should buy billions of licenses for their products
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Buttcoin purse posted:Oh yeah of course, if I made a public website that used MS Office automation, technically that would mean anyone in the world could "use" Office on my PC. So long as I buy a few billion licenses, it'd be okay right? this post is a good reason you should just straight up never buy any licenses for microsoft products
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Ever been forcibly audited by one of the large software houses because they feel like you weren't paying them enough billions? Fun times. It's no wonder open sores got so popular
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Jul 10, 2016 15:55
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:p.sure its a generic microsoft manufacturer signature so they don't shoot themselves in the foot in the future when OS revs change but firmware/bios/whatever hasn't been updated it's not, but it doesn't matter because there is no future os rev to worry about to get iot to boot on the surface you have to flash a new set of signatures, meant for debugging and app validation, into the boot loader. the iot and windows phone releases use a signature found in the "windows kits" package. oob the surface and surface 2 will only boot official microsoft windows rt releases signed for the surface
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what does IoT core actually run anyway? i can't imagine there are very many apps for it
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Beeftweeter posted:what does IoT core actually run anyway? i can't imagine there are very many apps for it press junkets and maker fairs
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basically. it can run "non-interactive" console programs and some windows platform apps oh, and telnet, of course
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infernal machines posted:basically. sounds like a very secure platform for the Internet of Things
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it's a joke, because everyone made a big deal about telnet the last time it's not on by default, and it's only intended for debugging. you have to modify the config to enable it. you're supposed to use winrm and poweshell, which is encrypted
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isn't Windows telnet kerberized?
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But why would anyone willingly use UWP for anything
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error1 posted:But why would anyone willingly use UWP for anything paging shagger
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pseudorandom name posted:isn't Windows telnet kerberized? lol. it supports plaintext or NTLM protip: don't use loving telnet for anything on an untrusted network, ever hth
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if you think you've found a usecase for telnet in tyool 2016, you're probably wrong on the off chance that you're not, because you have to connect to some 30 year old bit of industrial equipment running dos 3.0 that no one will ever upgrade, then make sure you isolate it to its own network segment and any communication with the rest of the network is done through an intermediary with no linked credentials.
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Kerberized telnet is still stupid, the tokens are sent in plain text like how everyone hates on SPNEGO, and the entire session is also plain text.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:this post is a good reason you should just straight up never buy any licenses for microsoft products But the free license that came with my laptop is even more restrictive  error1 posted:Ever been forcibly audited by one of the large software houses because they feel like you weren't paying them enough billions? Yep, VMware naturally wanted some information from all our vCenter servers, but also said "please run this VBScript on all of your physical Windows servers in the company". Thankfully they didn't include Windows VMs, that would have been much more painful, but I don't even know what product of theirs they thought we might be running on a physical Windows server  Maybe they were just trying to punish us for not virtualizing those machines.
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infernal machines posted:if you think you've found a usecase for telnet in tyool 2016, you're probably wrong this is exactly what I've done with my Lisp Machine and a Raspberry Pi as a bonus, I could write a usocket backend for Symbolics Genera that talks to a daemon on the Raspberry Pi to handle SSL connections, so the Lisp Machine doesn't waste its time crypto very slowly in the future, the Raspberry Pi will also probably run a ChaosNet router
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Buttcoin purse posted:But the free license that came with my laptop is even more restrictive we currently have a Vendor trying to shake us down for licenses and they want a full license for each core of each CPU that the product in a VM could potentially run on, including the other physical servers in our vsphere cluster or w/e that it could possibly migrate to
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ahmeni posted:we currently have a Vendor trying to shake us down for licenses and they want a full license for each core of each CPU that the product in a VM could potentially run on, including the other physical servers in our vsphere cluster or w/e that it could possibly migrate to
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ahmeni posted:we currently have a Vendor trying to shake us down for licenses and they want a full license for each core of each CPU that the product in a VM could potentially run on, including the other physical servers in our vsphere cluster or w/e that it could possibly migrate to Holy poo poo. Okay I could buy this if you were getting to 5PM and then migrating the VM to London so your British devs get fast response times while they're in the office, then you migrate it to Bangalore for the third shift, but I have no idea if those sorts of migrations would be at all practical. Besides it sounds like your vendor is a bunch of assholes and they normally lock their licenses to a particular geographic region, or even office, anyway.
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ahmeni posted:we currently have a Vendor trying to shake us down for licenses and they want a full license for each core of each CPU that the product in a VM could potentially run on, including the other physical servers in our vsphere cluster or w/e that it could possibly migrate to that sounds like intersystems licensing. in addition to that type of poo poo, they have separate "single platform" and "multiplatform" licenses where single platform means "all licensed servers run the same os version and hardware" and multiplatform means "you installed a critical os patch in your test environment an hour before you did it in production, gently caress you you have to buy a multiplatform license forever now". ive even heard of groups being pushed onto multiplatform for poo poo like "TRN is CentOS but PRD is Red Hat" or "TST has 64 gigs of ram but PRD has twice that". sometimes the cost difference is bad enough that its cheaper to just overbuild your nonproduction servers to stay with the single platform license and do your patch testing on an unlicensed machine before doing a synchronized patch everywhere. poo poo's evil
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ahmeni posted:we currently have a Vendor trying to shake us down for licenses and they want a full license for each core of each CPU that the product in a VM could potentially run on, including the other physical servers in our vsphere cluster or w/e that it could possibly migrate to lol Oracle
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:lol Oracle 
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MrMoo posted:Kerberized telnet is still stupid, the tokens are sent in plain text like how everyone hates on SPNEGO, and the entire session is also plain text. SP my NEGO rear end
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you got your spneego in my lomarf
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Set up affinity rules so the VM cannot possibly migrate off the host and allocate it vCores instead of vCPUs so the licensing doesn't see each processor as its own socket, then play dumb and don't talk to Larry's Sales Assholes
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Or just be like us and say gently caress it and run redundant physical boxes with log shipping because we're not giving those clowns any more money
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eschaton posted:this is exactly what I've done with my Lisp Machine and a Raspberry Pi im the $25 lisp machine cryptography coprocessor computers are cool
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reminder: windows 8 exists, and is terrible
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FMguru posted:reminder: windows exists, and is terrible
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Set up affinity rules so the VM cannot possibly migrate off the host and allocate it vCores instead of vCPUs so the licensing doesn't see each processor as its own socket, then play dumb and don't talk to Larry's Sales Assholes im not responsible for any of these things but lol at the idea of having to negotiate with terrorists
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uwp is good
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triple sulk posted:uwp is good lmao you suck sulk
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FMguru posted:remember: windows exists i'd rather not!
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mishaq posted:lmao you suck sulk Cocoa Crispies posted:i'd rather not!
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