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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Randler posted:

Nötigung zum Beischlaf durch Gewalt oder Drohung mit gegenwärtiger Gefahr für Leib oder Leben: Vergewaltigung nach § 175; Strafrahmen: 2-15 Jahre.

Nötigung zum Beischlaf durch andere Nötigungsmittel ("Kündigung als Drohung mit empfindlichen Übel"): Besonders schwerer Fall der Nötigung, § 240; Strafrahmen: 6 Monate bis 5 Jahre.

Ausnutzung einer schutzlosen Lage zum Vollzug des Beischlafs: Vergewaltigung nach § 175; Strafrahmen: 2-15 Jahre.

Provided you can convince the judge that the threat was credible, since you patently can't fire somebody for not sleeping with you. We had almost this exact case at my work place, except the victim ran out of the room so there was no intercourse, and the judge decided there was no sufficient proof for Nötigung.

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Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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botany posted:

Provided you can convince the judge that the threat was credible, since you patently can't fire somebody for not sleeping with you. We had almost this exact case at my work place, except the victim ran out of the room so there was no intercourse, and the judge decided there was no sufficient proof for Nötigung.

Beweisprobleme hast Du bei jedem Sexualdelikt. Das wird voraussichtlich nach der Reform auch nicht besser, wenn sich fast alles strafbarkeitsrelevantes beim Vorsatz abspielt.

Einbauschrank
Nov 5, 2009

botany posted:

That's sexual harrassment.

This doesn't seem illogical to me as a non-lawyer. After all there's also a distinction between robbery (violence, threat of violence) and blackmail (appreciable harm).

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

That makes sense, thanks :)

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

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:allears:

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

:agreed:

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Wir sollen unser teutsches Recht nach den Vorstellungen irgendwelcher Fremdländler ausfüllen? :staredog:

Was für ein vaterlandsloser Geselle dieser Gerhard Hofmann!!! Und solch einer will ein Rechter sein. :colbert:

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2016-07/afd-joerg-meuthen-gruendet-neue-fraktion-in-baden-wuerttemberg posted:

Nach der Spaltung der AfD-Fraktion im Stuttgarter Landtag hat Parteichef Jörg Meuthen eine neue Fraktion gegründet. Der Deutschen Presseagentur sagte er, er habe bei der Landtagsverwaltung die "Alternative für Baden-Württemberg" angemeldet.

Die Fraktion habe bereits eine Satzung und einen Vorstand. Vorsitzender sei er selbst. "Wir sind die AfD", sagte Meuthen. Zuvor hatte Frauke Petry, die die Bundespartei zusammen mit Meuthen führt, die verbliebene AfD-Fraktion im Landtag als wahre Fraktion bezeichnet.
http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2016-07/afd-joerg-meuthen-gruendet-neue-fraktion-in-baden-wuerttemberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pwmffpugRo&t=1m11s

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Hilarious, Aufmerksamkeit für Dackel spaltet sich weil sie es nicht geschafft haben einen mehrheitlichen Rausschmiss eines Holocaust-Leugners zu bestimmen.

az
Dec 2, 2005

Splitters!

dogboy
Jul 21, 2009

hurr
Grimey Drawer

az posted:

Splitters!

And I always thought that was a speciality of the left parties.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

dogboy posted:

And I always thought that was a speciality of the left parties.

Die AfD ist, wie auch die NSDAP, eine linke Partei.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
In welchem Koordinatensystem?

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Alternative für Deutschland

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

“Arbeiter“ and “Partei“ sound pretty suspicious too tbh

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Smirr posted:

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Alternative für Deutschland

Worte sind Wind

Es heißt ja auch "Deutsche Demokratische Republik", "Demokratische Volksrepublik Korea" und "Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands".

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_(Zeitschrift)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Liste
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_(Musik)

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Sexualstrafrechtsreform ist durch den Bundestag

Grüne und Linke haben sich enthalten, weil das Reformprojekt nunmehr auch explizit die Strafbarkeit von sexuellen Übergriffen aus Gruppen heraus aufführt.

Kann ich bei dieser Gelegenheit einmal anmerken, dass es eine Sauerei sondersgleichen ist, dass die ~*LÜGENKRESSE*~ praktisch nie Bundestagsdrucksachennummern angibt (bzw. bei Berichten über Urteile regelmäßig das Aktenzeichen verschweigt)?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

So, what you are saying is that the Left and Greens support gangrape?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Gesetzesentwurf der Bundesregierung BT-Drs. 18/8210 (wird wohl der verabschiedete sein)
http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/082/1808210.pdf (Ich kann in dem Teil bislang die Ergänzung zu Angriffen aus Gruppen heraus nicht finden, von der SPON spricht.)

Stellungnahme des Bundesrat inkl. Gegenäußerung BReg BT-Drs. 18/8626
http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/086/1808626.pdf

waitwhatno posted:

So, what you are saying is that the Left and Greens support gangrape?

Meines Wissens haben sich von den beiden nur die Grünen für die nibelungentreue Unterstützung der Amerikaner in Kosovo und Afghanistan ausgesprochen.

Randler fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jul 7, 2016

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

az posted:

Splitters!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa885G-rzyM

Nektu
Jul 4, 2007

FUKKEN FUUUUUUCK
Cybernetic Crumb
Wtf. First the teaparty and now the :tinfoil: crowd is coming over the pond:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article156922814/Ein-CDU-Politiker-auf-der-Suche-nach-Chemtrail-Giften.html

Cut it out murica.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010
Chemtrail people have been around in Europe for years now.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

If these folks were half as concerned about the effects of CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions...

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


A friend of my Mitbewohner is a Reichsbürger now because he wrote some magicolegal gibberish from the internet on his letter instead of putting on a stamp and it still got delivered. Get your poo poo together Deutsche Post.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

aphid_licker posted:

A friend of my Mitbewohner is a Reichsbürger now because he wrote some magicolegal gibberish from the internet on his letter instead of putting on a stamp and it still got delivered. Get your poo poo together Deutsche Post.

I still don't get how this "Reichsbürger" thing is supposed to work. Is he now deluding himself into thinking he isn't a German citizen anymore? Because if yes, just steal all his poo poo and tell him German laws not applying are a two-way street. If he disagrees, kill him. Please no don't do that

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

aphid_licker posted:

A friend of my Mitbewohner is a Reichsbürger now because he wrote some magicolegal gibberish from the internet on his letter instead of putting on a stamp and it still got delivered. Get your poo poo together Deutsche Post.

Yeah, most likely the recipient paid the Porto for having the letter delivered. Tell him that he can leave out the pseudo-legalese gibberish next time, it won't make any difference. Also tell him that he is a yuuuuuge rear end in a top hat because, for the mail carrier, dealing with this bullshit takes a crazy amount of time(compare to a normal letter).

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

No no, you've got it all wrong. The Princely House of Thurn und Taxis obviously still has their fingers all over the Deutsche Post and want to bring back the Empire by subverting federal postage laws in that way. They haven't realised yet that they and the Reichsbürger are talking about two different Reichs. Gonna be embarassing.

az
Dec 2, 2005

Are Reichsbürger the same crazy hillbillies as the sovereign citizen types?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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az posted:

Are Reichsbürger the same crazy hillbillies as the sovereign citizen types?

Yes. They're their local equivalent.

az
Dec 2, 2005

Sovcits are amazing value for watching a trainwreck everywhere the go and I wish them all the best in their fight against the true enemy, Briefporto.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Randler posted:

Yes. They're their local equivalent.

Excuse me, sovereign citizens don't have a celebrity champion. Reichsbuerger have Xavier Naidoo

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

az posted:

Are Reichsbürger the same crazy hillbillies as the sovereign citizen types?

The effect is the same, but Reichsbürger believe that the Federal Republic of Germany doesn't actually exists. Unless it owes them money, then it does exist and needs to pay up pronto or they will sue Merkel under the Hague Convention on the Rules of Land Warfare. No, really.

Schurik
Sep 13, 2008


Duzzy Funlop posted:

Excuse me, sovereign citizens don't have a celebrity champion. Reichsbuerger have Xavier Naidoo

Lmao seriously? Talk about a dude finding ever new ways to be a tool.

az
Dec 2, 2005

ArchangeI posted:

The effect is the same, but Reichsbürger believe that the Federal Republic of Germany doesn't actually exists. Unless it owes them money, then it does exist and needs to pay up pronto or they will sue Merkel under the Hague Convention on the Rules of Land Warfare. No, really.

The most flaccid kind of revolution, nonpayment of parking tickets is going to bring big Angie down before you know it.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Schurik posted:

Lmao seriously? Talk about a dude finding ever new ways to be a tool.

This must have been a couple of years ago, but he spoke at a bunch of these Montagsdemos when there was a new breed of conspiracy theorist evolving from regular ones. During the whole MH-17 truther bullshit phase, where first a SU-25 Frogfoot shot it down with its cannon, then with missiles, then it was a BUK, but by Ukraine, then it was cosmic radiation, but also caused by Ukraine, etc.

He was on the same train as Ken Jebsen with his relentless anti-Americanism that claimed Obama wanted a nuclear war contained in Europe between NATO forces and Russia, so he could profit from trans-pacific partnerships and whatnot. 9/11 obviously was also staged, etc.

Furthermore, Germany is still occupied and not a sovereign nation, because of some pseudo-legal-bullshit based on treaties that were or were not signed, I'm not really sure. The Reichsbuerger bullshit is almost harder to grasp than sovereign citizen logic.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Eine gute Übersicht zu den Reichsbürgern (jaja, die KRRler sehen sich selbst nicht als Reichsbürger, sind aber welche).

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away
Some of you may know that I work in a small Verwaltungsgemeinschaft in Bavaria. Anyway we got our own Reichsbürger. And I swear to god he's doing exactly what is written here: http://www.hannespharma.info/index.php/en/staatsangehoerigkeit/staatsangehoerigkeitsurkunde

To what end? gently caress if I know. I read that poo poo a couple of times but still don't get why these people are doing what they are doing.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

lmao, im Königreich Deutschland gabs ne Revolution die den König gestürzt hat. Zeit die Dorfguillotine zu wetzen.

https://youtu.be/UkkMCipf0dg

bronin posted:

Some of you may know that I work in a small Verwaltungsgemeinschaft in Bavaria. Anyway we got our own Reichsbürger. And I swear to god he's doing exactly what is written here: http://www.hannespharma.info/index.php/en/staatsangehoerigkeit/staatsangehoerigkeitsurkunde

To what end? gently caress if I know. I read that poo poo a couple of times but still don't get why these people are doing what they are doing.

Ich weiß nicht, das ist für mich alles recht klar formuliert. Zuerst gehst du in irgendein nah gelegenes Amt und machst eine Lebenderklärung("Ich lebe!"), dann schnappst du dir nen Stapel von irgendwelchen Formularen die da grad so rumliegen und rennst raus. Zuhause füllst du die dann aus und verschickst sie(als Einschreiben! mit Rückschein.) Zum Schluss musst du dir dann noch bei den Amis einen US visa waiver ausstellen lassen, deinen Perso beim Amt zurückgeben und einen Reisepass beantragen. Und voilà, in 3-6 Wochen hast du einen Reisepass!

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


waitwhatno posted:

Yeah, most likely the recipient paid the Porto for having the letter delivered. Tell him that he can leave out the pseudo-legalese gibberish next time, it won't make any difference. Also tell him that he is a yuuuuuge rear end in a top hat because, for the mail carrier, dealing with this bullshit takes a crazy amount of time(compare to a normal letter).

LOL just LOL if you think I'm talking to this dude.

This is funny tho: http://www.mz-web.de/mitteldeutschl...84#plx914325331

bronin posted:

Some of you may know that I work in a small Verwaltungsgemeinschaft in Bavaria. Anyway we got our own Reichsbürger. And I swear to god he's doing exactly what is written here: http://www.hannespharma.info/index.php/en/staatsangehoerigkeit/staatsangehoerigkeitsurkunde

To what end? gently caress if I know. I read that poo poo a couple of times but still don't get why these people are doing what they are doing.

Heilige Scheiße. This dude is basically doing to the German administrative system what this other dude did to those floppy drives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_vWkv50uk

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jul 10, 2016

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